UA slashes tuition this summer for freshmen

[pat]

http://www.ohio.com/news/ua-slashes-tuitio...ourses-1.402693

[Z.I.P.]

http://www.ohio.com/news/ua-slashes-tuitio...ourses-1.402693

It's like a drug dealer, giving a discount to first-time users. I offer as evidence this statement: Out-of-state students will get even greater savings: 68 percent and 74 percent, respectively. They offer the biggest discount to their potential biggest customers. This is not education, this is business. It does virtually nothing to reduce the astronomical (and skyrocketing) costs of higher education.

[pat]

It's like a drug dealer, giving a discount to first-time users. I offer as evidence this statement: Out-of-state students will get even greater savings: 68 percent and 74 percent, respectively. They offer the biggest discount to their potential biggest customers. This is not education, this is business. It does virtually nothing to reduce the astronomical (and skyrocketing) costs of higher education.

Your analogy is absurd. We want people to get an education. We don't want people to do drugs. Education is a business. like it or not that is a reality and has been one for quite a few decades. What rock do you live under anyway? Are you saying that you would like students to kick the education habit and drop out all together like they should street drugs? Sure, it may be titillating and so what. It beats full price and illustrates how competition among institutions can benefit the legitimate consumer of a higher education. Your thinking goes along the same pattern of someone who says, "well if I can't have a million dollars, then I don't want $5,000.00

And keep in mind they don't offer the biggest discounts to out-of-state students. While the percentage is greater, the actual cost is the same or more as the in-state students since out-of-state students are charged much higher tuition than in-state students. Look at the bottom line costs and not the percentage if you want to compare apples to apples.

[MDZip]

Your analogy is absurd. We want people to get an education. We don't want people to do drugs.

This might answer both sides of the question.

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[Z.I.P.]

Your analogy is absurd. We want people to get an education. We don't want people to do drugs. Education is a business. like it or not that is a reality and has been one for quite a few decades. What rock do you live under anyway? Are you saying that you would like students to kick the education habit and drop out all together like they should street drugs? Sure, it may be titillating and so what. It beats full price and illustrates how competition among institutions can benefit the legitimate consumer of a higher education. Your thinking goes along the same pattern of someone who says, "well if I can't have a million dollars, then I don't want $5,000.00

And keep in mind they don't offer the biggest discounts to out-of-state students. While the percentage is greater, the actual cost is the same or more as the in-state students since out-of-state students are charged much higher tuition than in-state students. Look at the bottom line costs and not the percentage if you want to compare apples to apples.

Ha, ha, ha. You're great at reading your own assumptions between the lines. I am nothing but an advocate of education -- especially for those who like myself came up from modest means. But that is exactly the problem with public universities being "businesses". Businesses are not responsible to either the public trust or basically to their customers. They are responsible to their shareholders -- and becoming even more selfishly responsible to directors and an ever-narrowing list of stakeholders. Now at the university, there is -- and obviously should be, an even bigger disparity between the mission and the profit motive, due to the importance of the mission higher education carries out. This is one of the greatest reasons behind the increasing inequality in America, and the fact that we can no longer say the next generation will have it better than our own. I hope you understand now what I meant -- education is not a drug, undeserved profits from bilking average Americans out of their hard-earned income has become one for the masters (or Ph.d's) of academia.

[LZIp]

"Lets cater to kids who will most likely not last over a year here and ignore the dedicated students" is all I get from that.

Taking 4 credits this summer. My internship that counts at 3 credits and another 1 credit class. I have to pay $1600 out of pocket because I dont take enough credits to qualify smh. The kicker is, I graduate in December, so I wont even get to use the financial aid/scholarships that is supposed to go to me in the Spring Semester.

I mean I could take a another class and perform poorly at my internship and make myself and the University look bad...but they wont even let me do that.

[pat]

"Lets cater to kids who will most likely not last over a year here and ignore the dedicated students" is all I get from that.

Taking 4 credits this summer. My internship that counts at 3 credits and another 1 credit class. I have to pay $1600 out of pocket because I dont take enough credits to qualify smh. The kicker is, I graduate in December, so I wont even get to use the financial aid/scholarships that is supposed to go to me in the Spring Semester.

I mean I could take a another class and perform poorly at my internship and make myself and the University look bad...but they wont even let me do that.

Negaholics unite and whine on with your usual negative jibberish. A discount is a discount. The two of your need to climb up a tree in Highland Square and stay there until they saw you down.

[LZIp]

Negaholics unite and whine on with your usual negative jibberish. A discount is a discount. The two of your need to climb up a tree in Highland Square and stay there until they saw you down.

Just calling it how it is. Im usually supportive of the U (unlike somebody), but the move by the U is strictly a PR move, and people who can see through the smoke realize its a poor one. How many freshman take classes the summer out of high school?

Good loyalty, UA. This move is counterproductive to what they are trying to do, which is raise graduation rates. Its not going to increase enrollment. Nobody is going to college, let alone picking UA because of a small discount for one summer session.

[ZachTheZip]

UA's new admission standards should prevent those at-risk kids from ever enrolling. So only kids that have a stronger chance of graduating will get this tuition discount.

[Zipmeister]

It's like a drug dealer, giving a discount to first-time users. I offer as evidence this statement: Out-of-state students will get even greater savings: 68 percent and 74 percent, respectively. They offer the biggest discount to their potential biggest customers. This is not education, this is business. It does virtually nothing to reduce the astronomical (and skyrocketing) costs of higher education.

Your analogy is spot on.

We want to hook people on taking classes at The UofA.

[pat]

Your analogy is spot on.

We want to hook people on taking classes at The UofA.

In that context, I could not have said it better. For those who think, "business" is bad, I say, business is good. Not all businesses involve "shareholders" and those that do are still a benefit to the common good. You can ridicule UA and other universities all you want using tired pseudo-marxists mumbo jumbo. (I suspect that makes you feel special...ha ha). Education is a business and that is the reality that pie-in-the-sky idiots need to realize. So, shut the front door!

[GP1]

I'm going to come at this from a different angle. The classes listed for discount are the type of classes many of us took and were unrelated to our majors. In other words, they were useless requirements. Why should the majority of students who were not majoring in those majors have to pay full price for a class that is not as valuable to them as other classes during summer school?

I'm all for full price for those classes during the traditional school year.

The one thing I would do differently is offer these classes during the summer at a discount only after a student completes around 24 credit hours. Summer school jams a lot of work into a few weeks and I'm not sure a student coming right out of high school is ready for that challenge out of the gate.

[LZIp]

In that context, I could not have said it better. For those who think, "business" is bad, I say, business is good. Not all businesses involve "shareholders" and those that do are still a benefit to the common good. You can ridicule UA and other universities all you want using tired pseudo-marxists mumbo jumbo. (I suspect that makes you feel special...ha ha). Education is a business and that is the reality that pie-in-the-sky idiots need to realize. So, shut the front door!

There's a difference between good business and bad business. Ill admit Im wrong when UA comes out ahead because of this. Burden of proof is on you.

Lol'd at the marxist comment.

Pat- what positive do you think will come out of this move, since you think its good?

[Z.I.P.]

In that context, I could not have said it better. For those who think, "business" is bad, I say, business is good. Not all businesses involve "shareholders" and those that do are still a benefit to the common good. You can ridicule UA and other universities all you want using tired pseudo-marxists mumbo jumbo. (I suspect that makes you feel special...ha ha). Education is a business and that is the reality that pie-in-the-sky idiots need to realize. So, shut the front door!

Well, I think I have a clearer concept of where you are coming from pat. I should have known you were a communications major. From your happy-go-lucky attitude you obviously are a success in the public relations field. I have to apologize for having majored in Sociology/Anthropology, where we learned that Karl Marx was as valuable to the development of modern social science as Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton to physical science. My pie in the sky is all about creating a more sustainable and prosperous world for us all. Have a happy day, and don't forget to shut the back door, when you leave.

[pat]

I too am a Sociology major and learned much about Karl Marx. Have no problem with him at all. I also have no problem with authentic marxists. If you check, I have problems with PSEUDO marxists. You know what pseudo means...false...fake...putting on the dog.

As far as i know the benefit coming from this move is that some students will save money. Other than that, the burden of proof is on the nay sayers and not me.

[Zipmeister]

I too am a Sociology major and learned much about Karl Marx. Have no problem with him at all. I also have no problem with authentic marxists. If you check, I have problems with PSUEDO marxists. You know what pseudo means...false...fake...putting on the dog.

As far as i know the benefit coming from this move is that some students will save money. Other than that, the burden of proof is on the nay sayers and not me.

It's pseudo (not psuedo) that putting on the dog is synonymous with false or fake.

[pat]

It's pseudo (not psuedo) that putting on the dog is synonymous with false or fake.

Yes.. I gave several definitions for those who struggle. Thanks for the affirmation and the correction on my transposition. As you can see, I spelled it correctly the second time, oh fault finding anal one!

[GP1]

I have to apologize for having majored in Sociology/Anthropology, where we learned that Karl Marx was as valuable to the development of modern social science as Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton to physical science.

One can get rich from reading Marx's writings. They should be understood by everyone in business. Maybe not followed, but understood. If you turn them around, he outlines great methods for getting rich. Athletic directors understand that the exploitation of a slave labor class makes a great way to get rich and pull in cash for an organization.

Marx didn't come up with the slogan "Workers of the world, unite!"!, but it was used in his book. I wish Student-Atho-Leets would unite and demand proper compensation and benefits for their labor and harm to their bodies. I would love to see a weekend of college football where players refused to play for two hours after the start of a game and all sat in the middle of the field. ESPN wouldn't know what to do with the disruption of their perfect little 3.5 hour television shows not falling lockstep into place. This type of peaceful protest would be something this country hasn't seen in a long time and it needs to see what it looks like when people have had enough.

[Zipmeister]

Yes.. I gave several definitions for those who struggle. Thanks for the affirmation and the correction on my transposition. As you can see, I spelled it correctly the second time, oh fault finding anal one!

You missed the point completely, oh fault committing myopic one.

[pat]

You missed the point completely, oh fault committing myopic one.

I did so on purpose oh obtuse one. Next time try a little practice before you try and make a point.

[pat]

One can get rich from reading Marx's writings. They should be understood by everyone in business. Maybe not followed, but understood. If you turn them around, he outlines great methods for getting rich. Athletic directors understand that the exploitation of a slave labor class makes a great way to get rich and pull in cash for an organization.

Marx didn't come up with the slogan "Workers of the world, unite!"!, but it was used in his book. I wish Student-Atho-Leets would unite and demand proper compensation and benefits for their labor and harm to their bodies. I would love to see a weekend of college football where players refused to play for two hours after the start of a game and all sat in the middle of the field. ESPN wouldn't know what to do with the disruption of their perfect little 3.5 hour television shows not falling lockstep into place. This type of peaceful protest would be something this country hasn't seen in a long time and it needs to see what it looks like when people have had enough.

And just what is it that you have had too much of?

[Zipmeister]

I did so on purpose oh obtuse one. Next time try a little practice before you try and make a point.

Chill dude. We all knew you missed my point on purpose before you even missed it.

[LZIp]

As far as i know the benefit coming from this move is that some students will save money.

Could you be more broad? Nobody is saying that isnt a benefit. What we are debating is that if the benefit could have been better utilized by targeting other students.

[Z.I.P.]

Could you be more broad? Nobody is saying that isnt a benefit. What we are debating is that if the benefit could have been better utilized by targeting other students.

Wow! This worthless thread has meandered on for three pages? Well, let me say, I'm ready to sue for peace. My sociology studies were interrupted by a stop for a certificate in Peace Studies. Bottom line on all this harangue: the loss of affordable higher education is one of, if not the the primary cause of growing income disparity in America. And UA wants to drop the cost of a few required Summer Session classes to hook more kids to what they''re selling. Add it to your student loan debt, LZ.

[pat]

Could you be more broad? Nobody is saying that isnt a benefit. What we are debating is that if the benefit could have been better utilized by targeting other students.

I was asked a question and I gave an honest answer. Could you be more petty? Now quit trying to change the subject every time you see yourself losing the argument. Since you seem to think you know what "we" are debating, perhaps you are omniscient enough to get hired by the university and steer them in the "right direction." Do you always play blemish over topics about which you know nothing?