Game #9 Bowling Green

[K92]

My agenda is knowledge. Logic over illogic, reason over hyperbole. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, if the facts show it.

Ironic statements for someone who is always banging a drum about a hunch.

[LZIp]

People keep saying they "know" things when they don't really know. They've heard or read something that may or may not be entirely accurate, make an assumption based on that and ignore conflicting information that also may or may not be correct. There's a lot of erroneous information floating around that's assumed to be factual when in fact it is not.

Once again Dave, just wanting to make sure we are on the same page. I'm assuming this post was directed at me. The only thing I said I know is that Pohl had a head injury during the Miami game, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, it came straight from the coaches mouth that he has been cleared. I didnt make any statement about when he was cleared. If you're comment wasn't directed at me, I see where you are coming from as there have been some extreme stances floating around. I like to think I am taking a wait and see approach before making up my mind, but I would be lying if I said I haven't formed an opinion based upon the information available to us.

Do you have connections where you know what is and what is not fact regarding this situation?

[Balsy]

Ironic statements for someone who is always banging a drum about a hunch.

Can we please move on to the BGSU game discussion?

[a-zip]

I tried to like some of the more recent responses about the important game coming up. I got a message saying "you have reached you maximum for positive responses today"

[Dave in Green]

Actually, there's a much bigger consensus on global warming among climate scientists who've studied it than there is on the Zips QB situation:

97% of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities

3% of climate scientists disagree

NASA Source

[Balsy]

Way to deflect.

More like it's time to move on.

[Balsy]

Actually, there's a much bigger consensus on global warming among climate scientists who've studied it than there is on the Zips QB situation:

97% of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities

3% of climate scientists disagree

NASA Source

+1. Even greater concensus amongst Biologists and all scientists about Evolution.

[K92]

More like it's time to move on.

You are the man clamoring for facts. I just thought it was ironic that you miss no opportunity to interject your opinion whenever the topic of Bowden's length of tenure will be at UA. I guess it is ok for you to have your opinion about Terry finishing out his career here. Unfortunately, you do not extend the same courtesy for stating opinion that others extend to you.

[Zipgrad01]

Actually, there's a much bigger consensus on global warming among climate scientists who've studied it than there is on the Zips QB situation:

97% of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities

3% of climate scientists disagree

NASA Source

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

And I can go tit for tat....that was my point. I am not debating the specific issue, just the use of one side being a "fact"

[Jrship35]

So who does everyone believe will start at QB ?

[Balsy]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

And I can go tit for tat....that was my point. I am not debating the specific issue, just the use of one side being a "fact"

And this is where those who understand my comment earlier are

[Dave in Green]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

And I can go tit for tat....that was my point. I am not debating the specific issue, just the use of one side being a "fact"

The Forbes article was written by James Taylor, an employee of the Heartland Institute, an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank that advocates free market policies and is largely funded by some of the big corporations most responsible for impacting the environment. In other words, the Heartland Institute exists to refute scientific evidence that may result in economic stress on their benefactors. For example, in the 1990s the Heartland Institute was paid by the Philip Morris tobacco company to question cancer risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against public health reforms. Today the Heartland Institute is recognized as the single biggest advocate of climate change skepticism.

Sure, there's a tit for tat for everything in the universe. It's easy be confused by conflicting debate points, and you really have to do your homework, dig deep and find which side of each debate has the most credibility on its side. When it comes to climate debate, I'm inclined to put more weight on the opinions of independent climate scientists documented by a scientific organization like NASA as more representative of "fact" than I am the opinions of a special interest group specifically funded to "disprove" what the scientists are saying.

I'm trying to apply those same principles to the Zips QB debate. Everyone is throwing out their tits and tats and I'm trying to dig a little deeper and see what's more likely to be real.

[Zipgrad01]

The Forbes article was written by James Taylor, an employee of the Heartland Institute, an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank that advocates free market policies and is largely funded by some of the big corporations most responsible for impacting the environment. In other words, the Heartland Institute exists to refute scientific evidence that may result in economic stress on their benefactors. For example, in the 1990s the Heartland Institute was paid by the Philip Morris tobacco company to question cancer risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against public health reforms. Today the Heartland Institute is recognized as the single biggest advocate of climate change skepticism.

Sure, there's a tit for tat for everything in the universe. It's easy be confused by conflicting debate points, and you really have to do your homework, dig deep and find which side of each debate has the most credibility on its side. When it comes to climate debate, I'm inclined to put more weight on the opinions of independent climate scientists documented by a scientific organization like NASA as more representative of "fact" than I am the opinions of a special interest group specifically funded to "disprove" what the scientists are saying.

I'm trying to apply those same principles to the Zips QB debate. Everyone is throwing out their tits and tats and I'm trying to dig a little deeper and see what's more likely to be real.

I was not trying to debate climate change or give my opinion on the issue. I was trying to make a point about the perception of "facts" by a certain poster.

[Dave in Green]

Once again Dave, just wanting to make sure we are on the same page. I'm assuming this post was directed at me. The only thing I said I know is that Pohl had a head injury during the Miami game, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, it came straight from the coaches mouth that he has been cleared. I didnt make any statement about when he was cleared. If you're comment wasn't directed at me, I see where you are coming from as there have been some extreme stances floating around. I like to think I am taking a wait and see approach before making up my mind, but I would be lying if I said I haven't formed an opinion based upon the information available to us.

Do you have connections where you know what is and what is not fact regarding this situation?

It was really directed at everyone. Even the most basic things people think they may know about this situation are in question. Recall that the original report was that KP was cleared to play just prior to the OU game. Then it was reported that he was actually cleared to play in the middle of last week before the BSU game. I know people who don't believe either of those were accurate. I have multiple connections with different stories. Even people usually in the know have different opinions.

The one consistency I find in all the stories is that KP's head took a hard hit to the ground that resulted in something that has been variously described as a head injury, a concussion-like injury and a concussion. Even those varying descriptions are within the context that head injuries are like snowflakes -- no two are exactly alike. Physicians who've done their best to analyze an injury that's among the most difficult to assess with a high degree of accuracy have shared their prognosis with the team, and the coaching staff is left with the final decision about when is the best time to allow KP to return to the field.

There appears to be two main groups on this forum -- those who believe that it's more likely that KP suffered the type of injury where it's best to err on the conservative side and keep him out until there's no question he's 100% recovered and those who believe something funny is going on and the coach is using this as an excuse to play the backup QB who he favors over the former starting QB. Since there's not universal agreement on all the facts, there can't be agreement on the present situation and the tit for tat will go on unabated.

[Dave in Green]

I was not trying to debate climate change or give my opinion on the issue. I was trying to make a point about the perception of "facts" by a certain poster.

Got it. My response was simply to point out that we need to try to objectively analyze the sources of various perceived facts in order to assign a credibility value to them. I hope my most recent post above made that point. We really and truly do not have access to all of the facts, which invokes the GIGO principle -- garbage in, garbage out.

[Balsy]

I was not trying to debate climate change or give my opinion on the issue. I was trying to make a point about the perception of "facts" by a certain poster.

Perception is irrelevant. Perception (or claims) can be validated by the facts themselves/more information and more research, reason and logic. Those that cannot are illogical.

[Staton14]

What day is Bowden's press conference for this game? Usually for a Saturday game, its on Tuesday. So, will it be on Friday this week? I think we'll get an explanation during the press conference.

[ZachTheZip]

What day is Bowden's press conference for this game? Usually for a Saturday game, its on Tuesday. So, will it be on Friday this week? I think we'll get an explanation during the press conference.

I wonder what his take on global warming is.

[Dave in Green]

I wonder what his take on global warming is.

I think he'd say that ZN.o is producing a lot of hot air.

[ZippyRulz]

So who does everyone believe will start at QB ?

I'm not as concerned about who starts as who finishes...

[ZippyRulz]

Here's the latest semi-official report from the Chicago Tribune:

Isn't this a serious violation of the players' health information privacy?

[ZachTheZip]

Isn't this a serious violation of the players' health information privacy?

First, you assume that the report is accurate. Second, it's only a violation if the source of the info can be traced back to the health care organization where he was receiving treatment. If it came from himself, by telling friends or family who then spread it around, it's not.

[Big Zip]

Looking forward to seeing Jordan Cameron suited up on the sidelines for the Browns while in the concussion protocol program of the NFL. Then when they ask Pettine why he didn't play and he says it wouldn't have been fair to just make this all make sense.

[Dr Z]

[Balsy]

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