InTheZone Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 The obvious answer (and hope) is that Woodson firmly establishes himself, stays healthy, plays well, and takes the job coast to coast. But I've got a sneaking suspicion Bowden loves Kato Nelson's skillset, and wants someone with that skillset running his offense. Could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 A healthy Woodson would be the obvious answer. I'm just not when he'll be back and have no clue how close he'll be to 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Nick Johns starts through OOC and Tommy the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I voted Nick Johns. I feel like Woodson's injury is one of those things that just lingers and flares up on occasion. Hopefully that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I have a feeling it's either Johns or Nelson. And before anyone jumps on me, or criticize me for it, please just take this as my PREDICTION not what I WANT to happen. I've always been a Woodson fan, even during his RS Freshman season where some on this forum wanted to be done with him after losing to Ball State in a very winnable game. I just have this nagging feeling that Woodson will not be the starter for the vast majority of the season. Be it because he gets injured, or beaten out by someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, zipsoutsider said: Nick Johns starts through OOC and Tommy the rest of the season. Until Johns goest 3-1 in the OOC and the Zips never look back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzx Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Looks like QB Alex Ramart has been working out in Canal Fulton--- Edited March 23, 2017 by zzx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, zzx said: Looks like QB Alex Ramart has been working out in Canal Fulton--- Seems very random for a TX kid who is still in High School. Unless he happens to have some obscure local connection, which would also explain the recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzx Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, LZIp said: Seems very random for a TX kid who is still in High School. Unless he happens to have some obscure local connection, which would also explain the recruitment. He apparently came to work out with Jim Ballard --- who runs a QB Academy locally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Still shocked that the field has more votes than Woody, though the thought didn't seem uncommon before when discussing. I guess I just really don't understand the line of logic. He is tossing the ball now and will reportedly be able to throw the ball by the start of fall camp. To me this means he will be full go. I don't see how he won't be ready after being full go for all of training camp. Even if the staff decides to slowly bring him back as the outcome of the first 2 games likely will not change no matter who is QB, I don't see how he isn't the starter vs Iowa State. edit: However, we have seen Bowden get hypnotized by the skill set in the past (Tra'Von Champman, anyone?). So I guess that could be the wildcard. Edited March 23, 2017 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, LZIp said: Still shocked that the field has more votes than Woody, though the thought didn't seem uncommon before when discussing. I guess I just really don't understand the line of logic. He is tossing the ball now and will reportedly be able to throw the ball by the start of fall camp. To me this means he will be full go. I don't see how he won't be ready after being full go for all of training camp. Even if the staff decides to slowly bring him back as the outcome of the first 2 games likely will not change no matter who is QB, I don't see how he isn't the starter vs Iowa State. edit: However, we have seen Bowden get hypnotized by the skill set in the past (Tra'Von Champman, anyone?). So I guess that could be the wildcard. It's really not that hard of logic to follow. Bowden has brought QBs the mold of Nick Johns in as a transfer before (Dalton Williams)...6-4 220ish. Bowden has brought in dual-threat style QBs before to compete (Tra'Von Chapman). Bowden has had QBs with Injury problems (Kyle Pohl). Bowden has gone with other QBs OVER Woodson in the past. Most here on this forum thought the same about Kyle Pohl and would have never guessed that Woodson would have lead us to a 8-5 season after sitting on the bench. The line of logic is pretty clear, I'm not sure what there is to not understand. Most people are assuming it isn't a sure thing, which history has shown us it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Balsy said: Most people are assuming it isn't a sure thing, which history has shown us it's not. Not being a sure thing isn't a good reason for choosing an unknown quantity over a known good quantity. I suppose time will tell. We need @K92 and @Zipgrad01's insight! Edited March 23, 2017 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, LZIp said: Not being a sure thing isn't a good reason for choosing an unknown quantity over a known good quantity. I suppose time will tell. Woodson is an unknown quantity. We have no idea when he'll return and don't know how he'll be when he returns. Who knows what set backs he may encounter. We finished the season with our 3rd string QB (a WR) throwing passes because the 2 guys ahead of him were too banged up to play. We lost our best offensive lineman so what's to say our QBs won't continue to take lots of hits? I went with Kato as a guess, but I don't know how you can say definitively that Woodson is the correct answer. Had he played all 12 games last season and not had offseason surgery, I'd agree with you. But he was injured last season and did have offseason surgery which impacts his availability this fall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Regardless, they all have an equal shot at winning. We will see how good Kato and Johns are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 28 minutes ago, LZIp said: Not being a sure thing isn't a good reason for choosing an unknown quantity over a known good quantity. I suppose time will tell. We need @K92 and @Zipgrad01's insight! I don't have any. The only insight I ever had was what my eyes and ears told me. I am glad to give an opinion when I have one but I don't here. To answer the original poster's question, I have no basis to go on other than a hunch. I do not know the seriousness of Woodson's condition nor do I know where his head is. I would be glad to speak about what I think about Kato if I knew anything. I don't. I know as much about him as everyone else does. I watched his high school highlight reel. I was very happy to attend practice whenever I could and make observations and give my take to ZN.o. So was Zipgrad01. So was Zips_win! So was JohnnyZip84. In 2015, practices were closed, ostensibly to keep the lid on the read one and run offense that we we going to unleash on an unsuspecting Oklahoma Sooner squad and bring back the victory from Norman. The observing and reporting was left up to George Thomas to let everyone know how the roster was competing. I made my feelings about this development clear when it happened. Shutting out real fans of the program was not a wise decision in my estimation, but no one asked me what I thought. I think your point about Chapman is a good one and it makes predicting the qb situation difficult. The staff pushed all their chips into the middle of the table for him and by what all of our collective eyes saw from him on the field make this decision a real head scratcher. Who knows what might happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) I'm pretty much with Keener on this one. I really have no clue. If I go with my gut, I think Woodson is an afterthought. I truly believe he had attitude issues and the staff tried to step him away from the position due to his lack of leadership. If I had to make a guess, I will say that Kato Nelson will be the man. He looked legit in his highlight video's (not that it means anything). I also think he checks all the boxes in what Bowden wants as a QB. Plus, I think we have a downtick in talent at the receiver position, but Nelson combined with ball could be a lethal combo in the backfield. I remember watching chapmans high school videos and I thought he was a terrible passer. I got just the opposite from Nelson. We shall see, but Bowden is itching to have a legit dual threat guy under center. Edited March 24, 2017 by Zipgrad01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, LZIp said: Not being a sure thing isn't a good reason for choosing an unknown quantity over a known good quantity. I suppose time will tell. We need @K92 and @Zipgrad01's insight! For goodness sake, it's just a prediction! Let's not get into a debate about known and unknown quantities. Especially considering that there will be practices, a spring game and summer-camp to watch. A lot could change people's opinions before then...let's just leave it at predictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, K92 said: I don't have any. The only insight I ever had was what my eyes and ears told me. I am glad to give an opinion when I have one but I don't here. To answer the original poster's question, I have no basis to go on other than a hunch. I do not know the seriousness of Woodson's condition nor do I know where his head is. I would be glad to speak about what I think about Kato if I knew anything. I don't. I know as much about him as everyone else does. I watched his high school highlight reel. I was very happy to attend practice whenever I could and make observations and give my take to ZN.o. So was Zipgrad01. So was Zips_win! So was JohnnyZip84. In 2015, practices were closed, ostensibly to keep the lid on the read one and run offense that we we going to unleash on an unsuspecting Oklahoma Sooner squad and bring back the victory from Norman. The observing and reporting was left up to George Thomas to let everyone know how the roster was competing. I made my feelings about this development clear when it happened. Shutting out real fans of the program was not a wise decision in my estimation, but no one asked me what I thought. I think your point about Chapman is a good one and it makes predicting the qb situation difficult. The staff pushed all their chips into the middle of the table for him and by what all of our collective eyes saw from him on the field make this decision a real head scratcher. Who knows what might happen. Nice post, Keener. I like it better than your constant sarcasm....maybe I need to lighten up though. Speaking of @johnnyzip84..where the heck has he been!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, LZIp said: Nice post, Keener. I like it better than your constant sarcasm....maybe I need to lighten up though. Speaking of @johnnyzip84..where the heck has he been!? I'm 48. Sarcasm is one of the only things that still works right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, K92 said: I'm 48. Sarcasm is one of the only things that still works right. I disagree... your beer critiques are second to none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 LZ, I was able to have a couple of beers and talk to JZ84 before some basketball games. I sure do miss reading his posts. Speaking of former posters, I had opportunity to speak with DiG at the Corner Alley before Friday's game. He is doing fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Zipgrad01 said: I disagree... your beer critiques are second to none. I am glad you like them. Here is one I am particularly fond of myself: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fre5hington24 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I have no horse in the race but the best man should be awarded the position whomever that maybe but......Woodson being out all that time missing spring practice and the spring game he's not building any chemistry with the WR group and the rest of the offense so in that regard he's behind the 8 ball most of the guys in running for some playing time he's never played with so I believe kato or nick is really battling it out to be "The guy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, K92 said: I am glad you like them. Here is one I am particularly fond of myself: You just made my point! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, Fre5hington24 said: I have no horse in the race but the best man should be awarded the position whomever that maybe but......Woodson being out all that time missing spring practice and the spring game he's not building any chemistry with the WR group and the rest of the offense so in that regard he's behind the 8 ball most of the guys in running for some playing time he's never played with so I believe kato or nick is really battling it out to be "The guy" Agree...not to mention Woodson is a senior. If an underclassman is close to production I would have to believe Bowden would go with the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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