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[Buckzip]

If you are a homer that wants to just say I am trolling, then please don't read any further. 

 

If you only want rah rah and say how great everything is, then please don't read any further. 

 

if you want to have an open and rational discussion, then let's do it. 

 

NIU beat Beat Nebraska today. other MAC teams have beaten big time programs every year. When is Akron just going to be competitive with a major program? Not that ISU is major, but they are above the MAC. 

 

Before you want to call me a troll, until I moved out of state I was at nearly every home game and at least 2 road games every year. What some call trolling, I call being a passionate fan. I am sure certain mods will delete this thread because they don't want real discussion, so be it. I know some hate me here because I happen to have graduated from 2 different schools, but I can guarantee you that I have been to many, many, many more Akron games than to my other Alma Mater. 

 

I am tired of the lack of discipine of Bowden and his teams. I am sick of the lack of discipline. I lost count of how many stupid personal fouls there were in this game. And most were well deserved. 

Woodson whines non stop. Bell facemasks when a guy is wrapped up in a pile for 4th down, Kato comes in down by a ton and actually taunts a down player on the side line. Then after a nice pass, he throws a horrible pick and then starts crap on the ISU sideline. If he can grow up, he could be a real player in the MAC. That's a big IF. I doubt TB even says anything to him. 

 

Every time they show TB he is just standing there. He isn't talking to his team, his assistants or anyone. He is just watching like a fan. I did see him clap after an ISU first down though. 

 

Our recruiting is below average and there is no sign of it getting better. I don't want to hear how many verbals we have when most have Akron as their best offer. If the others have great senior seasons and get other offers, they will be gone too. Then of course, I would guess less than 2/3 of the current verbals actually ever show up on the game day roster. Best facilities and stadium in the MAC, yet we aren't better than when we were in the Rubber Bowl and didn't have the Stile Field House. 

 

The really sad thing is I don't know if we can get better than TB. SMH.  Now go ahead and attack. i could not care any less. 

[ZipsVoice]

I haven't gone on the Iowa State thread yet, just stopped here first, but my number 1 point was going to be so similar to BuckZip, I had to post.  Season after season, game after game, the Zips can be counted on to destroy any chances they have by stupid stupid penalties.   It is unbelievable, and BuckZip is right.  Hey, an offsides, a motion, a holding while trying to hold off a rusher....those can be lived with.  Penalties caused by hustle, okay.  But Personal Fouls, time and again, 15 yards at a crack, either stop a Zip drive or keep an opponent's drive alive.  And it is every week.  Every freakin' week.  I was always taught and I have always believe these type of penalties are a lack of discipline, and it's either going after the wrong type of player recruit-wise, or lack of coaching.  BuckZip hit it on the head.  Kato Nelson, what an idiot.  Not that it mattered in the game score, but why did you think, being down 41-14, and you in a clean-up role, to taunt an opponent after a run against their second team....on their sidelines.  The Defensive  stop earlier, when it mattered, on 3rd down and the face mask in a scrum no less....these are unbelievable.  And guess what?  It's not like it's something new.  Watch every season for the last five and you'll see game after game after game where we self-destruct with this kinda crap.  We beat ourselves a helluva lot.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2017 by ZipsVoice
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[Balsy]

You're right.  (and yes sometimes you can be a troll, but in this instance I think you're right).  I debated even visiting the forum today, but I'm willing to say publicly that I'm no longer happy with the direction of Zips football.  I talked up this game to my best friend...the one game we go to every year as alumni...she brought her new BF and we invited a couple of other friends...only to have an embarrassing team on the field.  I'm losing my interest.  What is there to be excited about?  I try to hold the positivity line...but when I want to watch a good game with my friends...and instead get  "Matt I thought you said this would be an interesting game..."  

Kinda lose the heart a little.  

[ZipsVoice]

12 penalties for 132 yards, and ISU declined two others.....an average of over 10 yards per penalty.  ISU had 8, and I'm sure Campbell was pissed at that.  and 6 sacks!  Wow.  Wow wow wow....

[NWAkron]

Yeah.  Just fire Bowden and  "Man b$#+ " Amato already.  They are ripping us off.  It's so grating to listen to Keith Kennedy and the voice overs from Bowden during the game.  "4th quarter is where we win it". Really?  Thanks for the hot tip Terry.  This brand is so badly damaged.

[lance99]

1 hour ago, ZipsVoice said:

I haven't gone on the Iowa State thread yet, just stopped here first, but my number 1 point was going to be so similar to BuckZip, I had to post.  Season after season, game after game, the Zips can be counted on to destroy any chances they have by stupid stupid penalties.   It is unbelievable, and BuckZip is right.  Hey, an offsides, a motion, a holding while trying to hold off a rusher....those can be lived with.  Penalties caused by hustle, okay.  But Personal Fouls, time and again, 15 yards at a crack, either stop a Zip drive or keep an opponent's drive alive.  And it is every week.  Every freakin' week.  I was always taught and I have always believe these type of penalties are a lack of discipline, and it's either going after the wrong type of player recruit-wise, or lack of coaching.  BuckZip hit it on the head.  Kato Nelson, what an idiot.  Not that it mattered in the game score, but why did you think, being down 41-14, and you in a clean-up role, to taunt an opponent after a run against their second team....on their sidelines.  The Defensive  stop earlier, when it mattered, on 3rd down and the face mask in a scrum no less....these are unbelievable.  And guess what?  It's not like it's something new.  Watch every season for the last five and you'll see game after game after game where we self-destruct with this kinda crap.  We beat ourselves a helluva lot.

 

 

 

 

As a Joe Akron, I am highly pissed off in regards of this game. In the First Half, if we even recover TWO of the three of their fumbles and get two Field Goals, it is a Tied Game at Halftime. Dumb Penalties have been the norm of this Era from the Miami game in Bowden's first year, and it is not getting any better.

 

I am a Half Glass-Full Person. I supported this School my whole life(I lived here most of my life), but if they bomb against Troy next week, I will stand by what I said a couple of months ago(and took heat for): Bowden will NOT be around at Halloween at this pace......

[Balsy]

16 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

Yeah.  Just fire Bowden and  "Man b$#+ " Amato already.  They are ripping us off.  It's so grating to listen to Keith Kennedy and the voice overs from Bowden during the game.  "4th quarter is where we win it". Really?  Thanks for the hot tip Terry.  This brand is so badly damaged.

 

Can you damage a brand that was already in the toilet? 

[72 Roo]

We had an outside chance to win this game. As much as ISU stopped us we equally stopped ourselves. I'll offer these points just to get s**t off my chest.

• The trademark of Bowden teams is lack of discipline. He just does not demand it. Penalties are not the result of passion, they are the result of no discipline, no  commitment to team values and coaching. The results today spoke for themselves. Taunting, horse collar, targeting, whining, sloppy tackling, facemarks. We made ISU better than they were.
• Our OL sucks. Last year I said they could not run block. This year I'll say they cannot block! Get the young guys in. Just because you have been on the line for years doesn't mean you are good. Look at the results.
• In the second half I thought it was time to give Kato a lot of PT. After his display of immaturity I think Kelly has earned more time. I like TW's arm but with this pee poor line I think we need to add a run dimension to the QB position.
• Our D has improved but still has a way to go. The attacking D the announcers gave to Amato was non-existent. Where they got that is beyond me. I will not throw him under the bus though. He needs to work on our secondary. It may be able to improve. I doubt we can say the same thing for our DL.
• I began the year predicting 6-6. I now can't see us any better than 5-7. Larry Williams needs to get a short list of HC candidates. Look at the results.

[LZIp]

I agree with most sentiments. I'll elaborate on my thoughts in the game thread.

[K92]

Why are people waking up now?  No offense to anyone, but I am curious as to why this game is tipping sentiment against Bowden.

[Buckzip]

5 minutes ago, K92 said:

Why are people waking up now?  No offense to anyone, but I am curious as to why this game is tipping sentiment against Bowden.

Some of us have been awake for a while but are sick of getting attacked for even thinking TB isn't the answer. 

[LZIp]

27 minutes ago, K92 said:

Why are people waking up now?  No offense to anyone, but I am curious as to why this game is tipping sentiment against Bowden.

I'll bite....because we got our asses kicked when we shouldn't have against a not very good program, and a lot of it was a result of us beating ourselves. But hey Keener, it looks like you're right if thats what you want to hear!

Edited September 16, 2017 by LZIp

[Buckzip]

Akron is not very good and will not be any good with this staff. Are we better than with the last coach? Well, yea, but that is like being the thinnest kid at fat camp. 

This team has reached their apex under TB. If we are happy with 5-7 with an occasional 6-6 season, then this is your guy. Of course since we are so used to losing, that looks good. But if we want to be regular contenders in the MAC, we need to move to someone else. I thought, if nothing else, that TB could recruit well at Akron. He has not. He takes a lot of risks that rarely pay off. 

Maybe it is time to take a chance on a lower division coach that wins even though he is a lower division. I know that is where TB came from, but he already had a track record and wasn't a young upcoming coach. I don't know the answer, but we will not win with this staff. 

 

I can deal with a lot of things with a coaching staff. But the constant lack of discipline this team shows year after year is absolutely ridiculous. After Nelson had his PF, taunting an injured player, he should have been yanked and another QB put in. Like I said earlier, I doubt TB even says much to him. 

[LZIp]

Decided to look at some comments on the ZipsFB page on Facebook. It's not hard to see where Kato gets his apparent lack of class from........his father seems like a handful.  I mean he truly believes we would have beaten PSU if his son was playing.

[K92]

17 minutes ago, LZIp said:

I'll bite....because we got our asses kicked when we shouldn't have against a not very good program, and a lot of it was a result of us beating ourselves. But hey Keener, it looks like you're right if thats what you want to hear!

That's not what I was saying at all.  Just seems like dissatisfaction coming from people other than me and ZG01 and I wondered why.  I can't comment on this game yet.  I got pi$$ drunk and missed it.  I am watching the replay at home now but I am not surprised by what I am seeing.

[Buckzip]

5 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Decided to look at some comments on the ZipsFB page on Facebook. It's not hard to see where Kato gets his apparent lack of class from........his father seems like a handful.  I mean he truly believes we would have beaten PSU if his son was playing.

 

Lonzo Ball?

[Buckzip]

3 minutes ago, K92 said:

That's not what I was saying at all.  Just seems like dissatisfaction coming from people other than me and ZG01 and I wondered why.  I can't comment on this game yet.  I got pi$$ drunk and missed it.  I am watching the replay at home now but I am not surprised by what I am seeing.

Gotta love honesty....

[72 Roo]

33 minutes ago, Buckzip said:

After Nelson had his PF, taunting an injured player, he should have been yanked and another QB put in. Like I said earlier, I doubt TB even says much to him. 

That would have sent a message that we have high standards which all players must uphold. Cheap crap is not tolerable. The bench can teach many good lessons if the players want to learn. If not, get rid of them. Being, and acting, first class should be one of our highest core values.

[Buckzip]

2 minutes ago, 72 Roo said:

That would have sent a message that we have high standards which all players must uphold. Cheap crap is not tolerable. The bench can teach many good lessons if the players want to learn. If not, get rid of them. Being, and acting, first class should be one of our highest core values.

Exactly my point. Like I said, TB probably won't even say anything to him about it. 

[K92]

2 minutes ago, Buckzip said:

Gotta love honesty....

Let me tell ya. . .

 

I almost didn't answer the bell this morning.  Work has been kicking my ass.  Didn't get to bed until 2 am last night and when the alarm went off this morning I almost said f it and stayed home.  I got up and made the trip.  A little late, but i made the mistake of stopping at Giant Eagle in Wadsworth and filling my cooler with beer which I stupidly started pounding when I got to the tailgate.  Empty stomach, lack of sleep and alcohol made me take a second half siesta!  I will be back in full effect for the Ball State game, though.  (Lord willing)

 

Getting plowed helps not feeling angry though.  Maybe that's why I asked the original question.  ??????

[Buckzip]

10 minutes ago, K92 said:

Let me tell ya. . .

 

I almost didn't answer the bell this morning.  Work has been kicking my ass.  Didn't get to bed until 2 am last night and when the alarm went off this morning I almost said f it and stayed home.  I got up and made the trip.  A little late, but i made the mistake of stopping at Giant Eagle in Wadsworth and filling my cooler with beer which I stupidly started pounding when I got to the tailgate.  Empty stomach, lack of sleep and alcohol made me take a second half siesta!  I will be back in full effect for the Ball State game, though.  (Lord willing)

 

Getting plowed helps not feeling angry though.  Maybe that's why I asked the original question.  ??????

As long as it wasn't PBR or Little Kings you are good. 

[LZIp]

I attended the game today with somebody who used to be a GA in recruiting. I'm not airing it all out there as I don't see how it helps the program and outside people read this, but I will say the lack of success (at least then...to me it appears to be changing, whether it is too late or not I don't know) was a result of laziness and being full of themselves, meaning thinking they can recruit at the last minute off of name and reputation alone. Would explain why many of the previous classes did not get filled up until late....

[K92]

Recruiting has been a eff'n train wreck ever since Bowden got here.  Ray Charles can see it and he is blind and dead.  You cannot win with players that no other program in the country was interested in and that is what we have here.  The conventional wisdom on this board was that the ratings services are worthless and that the staff knew what they were doing getting diamonds in the rough.  How's that working out?? This roster is talent deficient.  Who are the playmakers?   You have one running back, one linebacker and a safety on this team that would start for any other MAC squad.  Truth hurts.  The complete whiff that was the recruiting class of 2015 is coming home to roost in a big way.  Those kids should be juniors who contribute bigly and they just aren't there.  Ulysees Gilbert can't carry an entire recruiting class.

 

I was a big Bowden supporter when he arrived and hoped he would turn the program around.  That ship has sailed and he is getting fired after this season and leaving the cupboard absolutely bare for the next staff.  I could be wrong, of course and if I am, I will come on this board and eat a huge helping of crow.  Prove me wrong Terry.

Edited September 20, 2017 by K92

[Buckzip]

8 minutes ago, K92 said:

Recruiting has been a eff'n train wreck ever since Bowden got here.  Ray Charles can see it and he is blind and dead.  You cannot win with players that no other program in the country was interested in and that is what we have here.  The conventional wisdom on this board was that the ratings services are worthless and that the staff knew what they were doing getting diamonds in the rough.  How's that working out?? This roster is talent deficient.  Who are the playmakers?   You have one running back, one linebacker and a safety on this team that would start for any other MAC squad.  Truth hurts.  The complete whiff that was the recruiting class of 2015 is coming home to roost in a big way.  Those kids should be juniors who contribute in a big way and they just aren't there.  Ulysees Gilbert can't carry an entire recruiting class.

 

I was a big Bowden supporter when he arrived and hoped he would turn the program around.  That ship has sailed and he is getting fired after this season and leaving the cupboard absolutely bare for the next staff.  I could be wrong, of course and if I am, I will come on this board and eat a huge helping of crow.  Prove me wrong Terry.

Exactly.  Guys get excited because Akron is getting local recruits. Big effing deal. I don't care where they are from if they can play. 

 

As i always say, half the verbals never make it to campus. TB takes risks on guys that can't get the grades. Very few have offers from other programs unless they are bottom feeders like Akron. Recruiting rankings don't mean everything but anyone that thinks they mean nothing has no idea what they are talking about. 

[LZIp]

4 minutes ago, K92 said:

Recruiting has been a eff'n train wreck ever since Bowden got here.  Ray Charles can see it and he is blind and dead.  You cannot win with players that no other program in the country was interested in and that is what we have here.  The conventional wisdom on this board was that the ratings services are worthless and that the staff knew what they were doing getting diamonds in the rough.  How's that working out?? This roster is talent deficient.  Who are the playmakers?   You have one running back, one linebacker and a safety on this team that would start for any other MAC squad.  Truth hurts.  The complete whiff that was the recruiting class of 2015 is coming home to roost in a big way.  Those kids should be juniors who contribute in a big way and they just aren't there.  Ulysees Gilbert can't carry an entire recruiting class.

 

I was a big Bowden supporter when he arrived and hoped he would turn the program around.  That ship has sailed and he is getting fired after this season and leaving the cupboard absolutely bare for the next staff.  I could be wrong, of course and if I am, I will come on this board and eat a huge helping of crow.  Prove me wrong Terry.

I've actually thought a lot about this, but have not said anything being that we still have 75% of this season left. I do not think the cupboard will be bare, at least for next year, assuming 2 things - Woody's replacement is competent, which I think is likely and WRs WRs WRs WRs. Which I think there is potential with Stewart, Williams, and McGriff. We have more young players playing than ever, seem to be putting together our best recruiting class yet (who knows how it will end up), and we really don't lose much of value from this year's class outside of a few key players, but I think they have capable backups or backups with potential.