Blue & Gold Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Next season, to face any D-1 opponent (let alone OSU for crying out loud!!!) we've just simply gotta get rid of this pansy 3-3-5 defense!!! I know West Virginia runs it, but they've been labelled as "soft" too because of this defense. For all intents and purposes the 3-3-5 is nothing more than a NICKEL package and is only employed by most teams in near-obvious passing situations. We can't stop the run anymore! We've got to switch to a 4-3 and get a new kick-ass attitude! With Dantley Cline (6-2/290) and Nate Robinson (6-5/315) and the addition of Wallace Pendleton (6-1/310) and Jerell Stoudamire (6-5/285) and hopefully Antwon Hight (6-3/290) we'd have plenty of size and depth to employ TWO defensive tackles! This cream puff 3-3-5 just has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Agreed! Teams are absolutely killing us on first and second down. A team that is functioning out of second and five or four can win a lot of games. At the end of the year, I am going to do a post on why this was a good defense for us and why it is not now. I first started to complain about it late last season.I would disagree on the next defense. Think of football players in three sizes: small, medium and large. We need one more medium size player (LB) in the game and one less small guy (DB) so a move to a 3-4 is best. 4-3 is good for the NFL because everyone basically is trying to power everyone on first and second down so defenses need to stop power with power. College offenses vary too much and the medium size guy is needed to defend against the different types of offenses presented each week. That extra LB also needs to develop into a really good pass rusher."Bend but don't break" defenses give up too much field position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljc Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 I've gotta tell ya, guys, I am not too disappointed with the defense. Sure, I would have liked to see some stops so CJ could have gotten involved a bit more this season. But, I think if the offense had been as good as the defense this year, we'd be making a return trip to Detroit. I know special teams hurt us, but the defense only gave up 10 points last night. That's a game you should win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 the reason the 3-3-whatever DOES NOT WORK is because every team at this level can RUN straight ahead...h.ll even the kids from north texas and buffalo had decent games...when you throw in a MOBILE QB...that D is toast...the 3 lineman get jammed up inside and unless you have lawrence taylor or a.j. hawk backing them there is nothing to run the the plays to the sideline...sorry folks John Mackey may be a wonderful kid...but his abilities have been 'exposed'... not pretty..recruit a D end who can rush the passer AND some backers with SIZE...not Stokes or Grant...put in the 4-3 and play a '2 deep" in the secondary...the safeties can punish the receivers..akronoldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 The 3-3-5 would work if we had the talent.Hight probably won't qualify. Pendleton is a walk on. Stoudamire may or may not qualify, and even if he does it will be his first year.To have a good d-line, you need talent with size and speed. Even if we went to a 4-3, our DT aren't good enough to put any pressure up front. We haven't had a dominate DT since Wayne Grant.Just because a guy is big doesn't mean he can play.We have much more talent at LB than we do at d-line. The talent needs to be on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 i do have to admit its neat to see the interest in Uof A football...nothing like this since "Jerry's Kids' in th early '90's...what a shyster he was ...any of you remember the musical, The Music Man''? Robert Preston's character was a 'snake oil' salesman..'oh we got trouble right here in river city' i keep getting that image every time i listen to 'ol JD...he wouldn't be here if he wasn't buds with the former AD now at cincy...i can't shake this feeling JD is only here to PAD HIS RESUME...then leave...his teams play like a bunch of individuals...not a team...Solich may be a drunk but his kids play for him now...only took 2YEARS...akronoldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 We have much more talent at LB than we do at d-line. The talent needs to be on the field.So why not play the 3-4 like GP1 suggests? I thought that was what JD was talking about when he got hired and said "I'm bringing a D the Mac has never seen"I'm starting to realize why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 the reason the 3-3-whatever DOES NOT WORK is because every team at this level can RUN straight ahead I hate to use some of my year end material, but the reason it doesn't work is because it is a gimmick everyone has figured out how to have success against. The same thing happened with the run and shoot offense.Last night in the third quarter, OU lined up with two tight ends, slot back and I-formation, and we lined up with our base 3-3-5 with the LBs playing off quite a bit. The balance of the set forces our defense to balance out as well. Even a dummy like me can count. The tight ends, interior line and fullback add up to eight blockers against the Zips six defenders. That means they can double team twice at the point of attack up the middle. Given this situation, even an average offense can move the ball at least five yards. OU ran the ball up the middle and got 11 on the play. It puts the defenders in an impossible situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 sorry folks John Mackey may be a wonderful kid...but his abilities have been 'exposed'... not pretty..I think it's a little unfair to pick on #19. He's been playing hurt the last half of the year and he still hits as hard as anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 on the O side...We better get a mobile QB whether it Jackson or whomever...ironic how all of a sudden the MAC has mobile QB's...of course CHARLIE was willing and able to run when he needed...don't understand why BROOKHART is going down the tubes with Getsy...not to mentionCROUCH and some others...can't imagine any reason other than they are seniors...they miss BIGGS and hixon... a lot!willl Harvey EVER be able to shut up and make a tough catch? ... not yethopefuly Jackson will play next week...no BOWL this year gang too bad...akronoldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 nothing personal with MACKEY... he IS a hardnosed kid...but the talent level he is playing against has caused some of his problems...like everyone else...ya gotta line up with FREE SAFETY who can punish the receivers and support against big backs...not there with these guys...too many "overacahievers" to be playing the schedule they are playing...akronoldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Hello fellow Zips fans. I'm an alum that has been a big follower for about 25 years. I've been reading the posts, and want to get involved.I'm loving this site because, back in my time, there weren't many opportunities to converse with fellow fans, except for my fellow alums.I still go to most of the home games, and follow the road games on the radio and tv, and here is what I see.I like the 3-3-5 defense because it is the best utilization of Akron's current talent. But I would like to see them be more flexible and change to 3-4 to match-up better in certain situations. I am, however, concerned that this defensive scheme somehow cannot contain a quarterback on the run. But, we've played better defense in the last few years than we've played in the previous 10 years. In my opinion, John Mackey is one of the most solid tacklers I have seen in an Akron uniform in quite some time, despite his size. Maybe he's not the size of a linebacker, but he's very dependable. JD has us getting attention at the national level like we haven't had since the Faust era. We need to give him time to get all the pieces in place. Frankly, Akron's recruiting suffered a drop-off for a period of time after we moved from Independent to MAC, and the MAC's growing reputation is starting to improve that situation for us. We're finally recovering from the ill-fated Owens era (which cost us both recruits and attendance), and I believe things will get better in time. Getsy seemed better as a Junior than as a Senior. Maybe because he had the receivers to bail him out last year. He's had a difficult time producing with lesser talent in those spots, and seems antsy under a heavy rush. Although, I'm still wondering why the O-line hasn't developed better with experience.Don't want to rant, but I plan to appear again when subject warrant a comment from someone of my vast experience following this program.Keep the faith. Although this year seemed like a failure, last year was great, and we'll be there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 i think for the most part the defense has played well this season.especially compared to years past.you can't blame the defense for giving up points, and yards when the offense is going three, and out all the time.in the ou game we could not run the ball to eat up some clock ,and give the d some rest.until we are able to run the football against the top teams(not buffalo) it won't matter what defense we run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 I don't want to knock on the D either. I think we've got better talent now than we've had since I've been closely following Zips football, which is just towards the end of the Faust era. What I am criticizing is the defensive scheme. I ranted about getting out of the 3-3-5 and moving to a 4-3. Others on the board suggest the 3-4. I surely wouldn't argue with that! Anything BUT the 3-3!!!These are most of our LB's for next season:Michael Alphonse 6-0 244Mikey Baker 5-11 225Al-Teric Balaam 6-1 228 (I wish we were seeing more of him this season)Kevin Grant 6-2 245Tevlin Petit-Frere 6-3 210 (what the h%ll kind of name is that?!)Brion Stokes 5-11 220Doug Williams 6-2 234Shawn Lemmon (?)This is a strong group of players, enough to run the 3-4 with a 2-deep! We've gotta do SOMETHING! DOWN WITH THE LIMP-WRISTED 3-3!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zff Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 You are going to find out about Tevlin. This boy can straight out play.Look ofr him to make an impact next year. Not to mention he is a good kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 You are going to find out about Tevlin. This boy can straight out play.Look ofr him to make an impact next year. Not to mention he is a good kid. He needs to add a few pounds to his frame.I too would prefer the 3-4 over the 3-3-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fear the brown roo Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 the biggest problem with our 3-3-5 defense is our offense that gives a string of 3 and outs and does nothing to help out the defense. anyone who thinks that mackey has been "exposed" ought to have his head examined. there is only one player on the d that will flat out hit someone and it's #19. maybe he's playing out of position but he's the best player the zips have to fill the spot and he has to be on the field somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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