Dr Z Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I used to watch the Steve French show on Mondays when I lived in Akron.This same sad Penguins fan would call in every week and whine about everything. I think his name was "robert."Either most Penguin fans are the same, or this poster is robert. Either way it's sad. Only funny thing about the situation is the way Steve handled him on air...pure genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BIDDY Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 First off, Eguins is not whining, explaining the facts is nothing of the sort. you are getting on him for his attendence numbers and saying that they are fabricated, come on, like ours are real! Give me a break!We go and play the money games, even though we don't want to think they are that and sooner or later hopefully they won't be, but in the eyes of those not familiar with Akron Football think that is what we are doing when we go to OSU, PSU and other such schools. And as for as long as Akron has been in DI we are just now showing that we are committed to having a successful program. What we wasted like 20 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 J-BIDDY.....I don't think we have wasted 20 years. At times, we've made strides towards establishing ourselves as a competitive D-1 program. Being the first program to make this jump wasn't easy. There was no roadmap telling us how to get it done. The biggest different right now is that we have leadership at the University that wants to get it done, AND is able to provide the necessary tools to the coaching staff to make it happen.Bill Muse was a great visionary, but unfortunately he was here many years before we had the means to make some of these things a reality. But I still believe Muse did the right thing. He's was no stupid guy. Look at the job he holds today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 First off my name is Anthony. I've lived in Youngstown my entire life. I don't plan on leaving either. What I am posting is facts; our attendance is dead on each and every week, with the exception of when it rains or snows.I guarentee you we have more people at all our home games than you guys do. We actually get people to the games, we don't just sell the seats.2009! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 What I'm calling eguins out on is the fact that he's been whining about us not wanting to play them...and then we offer to do so..they turn us down..now everything is OK.In addition to accusing us of not wanting to play them because we are AFRAID of losing, he accuses us and Can't for keeping YSU out of the MAC.In reality, it is YSU not committing to a DIA program that is keeping them out of the bigtime rather than Akron or Can't. Also, it's the Michigan schools keeping them out of the MAC much more so than Akron or Can't. They simply don't want another Ohio team in the conference.Physician heal thyself rather than blaming everyone else for your troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 eguins your stadium is nicer than ours -- I get it. Here is another thing you may want to look at the half the stadium in the picture is the stadium. When people come to Akron games if they were forced to crowd on one side of the field it would look better. When Akron made the jump to Div. 1 it was as an Independent -- don't come whining on this board about Akron keeping you out of the MAC tell your University to sack and make the jump conference affiliation or not. Quit your bitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Big Zip...it would be a real stretch to call that thing a "Stadium". I'd choose to go with "a football field with one tall row of bleachers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips88 Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 "a football field with one tall row of bleachers"That was always my impression too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Big Zip...it would be a real stretch to call that thing a "Stadium". I'd choose to go with "a football field with one tall row of bleachers".I don't care if its a bowled stadium or a stadium with 10,000 on each side or 15,000 and 5000 on each side: AT LEAST WE GET FANS TO OUR PLACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Your missing the point eguins -- if all of your seats are on one side it looks great in pictures. If all of our seats were on one side our pictures would look much better too. If you are done whining about Akron blocking you from being in the MAC and us not playing you -- go back to the YSU board (do you have one?). If you want to sack up and join Div. 1 do it the hard way like Akron (independent) and sign on the dotted line to play us -- there are no excuses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I don't think the Steel-Tire would be a good trophy....not much steel or rubber around anymore. Maybe we do something completely different, the LOSER gets the trophy! In this case, it would be a vacant factory from the winners city! Personally, I think it would be good to play YSU. I like local rivalries, and God knows we don't have one of those! As for who has the better stadium....we're letting ours fall apart so we have to build a new one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indians06 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 The way that we talk it seems as if we are the pride of divison I college football. I mean who the hell are we? Akron football is a small fish in a big pond. We have had one good football season since going D-1.Does it ever occur to you people that perhaps it was us who made the bad move staying D-1? We have to resort to playing our games on Thursday and Friday nights, no not for national TV but for ESPNU. For years we were the MAC whopen boys. Our staidum is laughed at by every visiting team that comes through. Since our mac title season 2 years ago no one outside of Akron fans (and even Akron fans) don't give a shit about Zips football. I saw YSU play 4 times on National TV last season and most of the games under the "This is how D-1a should do this by play-off's" title.I've seen YSU win 4 national titles, be runner ups twice, have one of the best coaches in the entire country, improve upon thier football stadium etc etc. As a D-1A team we have one count them one MAC title, 1 bowl apperance, no bowl wins, a shitty stadium, shitty fans, we have to pad our attendance by dumping thousands of free tickets just to remian D-1.So in reality we talk about "sacing" up and becoming a MAC team for YSU. But in reality the MAC aint great at anything. It's one thing to "sac" up and play the big boys and move it, but its another thing to move up and make no impact on D-1A football.Heres how I see it, you can write the history of Divison IA college football without the University of Akron Zips. You can't write the history of Divison I-AA football without YSU. So when people like 81 say stop whining and sac up and blah blah blah, what the hell have we done at the Divison I level to have any divison I team, (I-A, or AA) look up to us and say "WOW" I wanna be like Akron. Maybe YSU took a lesson from us and Cant just say fuck it lets stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 The way that we talk it seems as if we are the pride of divison I college football. I mean who the hell are we? Akron football is a small fish in a big pond. We have had one good football season since going D-1.Does it ever occur to you people that perhaps it was us who made the bad move staying D-1? We have to resort to playing our games on Thursday and Friday nights, no not for national TV but for ESPNU. For years we were the MAC whopen boys. Our staidum is laughed at by every visiting team that comes through. Since our mac title season 2 years ago no one outside of Akron fans (and even Akron fans) don't give a shit about Zips football. I saw YSU play 4 times on National TV last season and most of the games under the "This is how D-1a should do this by play-off's" title.I've seen YSU win 4 national titles, be runner ups twice, have one of the best coaches in the entire country, improve upon thier football stadium etc etc. As a D-1A team we have one count them one MAC title, 1 bowl apperance, no bowl wins, a shitty stadium, shitty fans, we have to pad our attendance by dumping thousands of free tickets just to remian D-1.So in reality we talk about "sacing" up and becoming a MAC team for YSU. But in reality the MAC aint great at anything. It's one thing to "sac" up and play the big boys and move it, but its another thing to move up and make no impact on D-1A football.Heres how I see it, you can write the history of Divison IA college football without the University of Akron Zips. You can't write the history of Divison I-AA football without YSU. So when people like 81 say stop whining and sac up and blah blah blah, what the hell have we done at the Divison I level to have any divison I team, (I-A, or AA) look up to us and say "WOW" I wanna be like Akron. Maybe YSU took a lesson from us and Cant just say fuck it lets stay here. Who the heck cares who the division I-AA champion is? Who even won it last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 The way that we talk it seems as if we are the pride of divison I college football. I mean who the hell are we? Akron football is a small fish in a big pond. We have had one good football season since going D-1.Does it ever occur to you people that perhaps it was us who made the bad move staying D-1? We have to resort to playing our games on Thursday and Friday nights, no not for national TV but for ESPNU. For years we were the MAC whopen boys. Our staidum is laughed at by every visiting team that comes through. Since our mac title season 2 years ago no one outside of Akron fans (and even Akron fans) don't give a shit about Zips football. I saw YSU play 4 times on National TV last season and most of the games under the "This is how D-1a should do this by play-off's" title.I've seen YSU win 4 national titles, be runner ups twice, have one of the best coaches in the entire country, improve upon thier football stadium etc etc. As a D-1A team we have one count them one MAC title, 1 bowl apperance, no bowl wins, a shitty stadium, shitty fans, we have to pad our attendance by dumping thousands of free tickets just to remian D-1.So in reality we talk about "sacing" up and becoming a MAC team for YSU. But in reality the MAC aint great at anything. It's one thing to "sac" up and play the big boys and move it, but its another thing to move up and make no impact on D-1A football.Heres how I see it, you can write the history of Divison IA college football without the University of Akron Zips. You can't write the history of Divison I-AA football without YSU. So when people like 81 say stop whining and sac up and blah blah blah, what the hell have we done at the Divison I level to have any divison I team, (I-A, or AA) look up to us and say "WOW" I wanna be like Akron. Maybe YSU took a lesson from us and Cant just say fuck it lets stay here.Who the heck cares who the division I-AA champion is? Who even won it last year?Appalachian State has won it back to back years, and they will probably win it for a 3rd straight year coming up. They may have lost to NC-State last year early in the season, but because they started their backup QB and Running Backs; which never played again after that game.Remember the names Armanti Edwards and Kevin Richardson. They are the most talented players in I-AA and you will see them on ESPN quite a bit in the upcoming season. I'd go out on a limb and say Appy St. would finish in the top 3 in the MAC; they were that good. And I say that because I have seen Championship I-AA teams play before and I have seen the MAC play before, and Appalachian St. is the best I-AA program I have ever seen---EVER.O yah may I add that their stadium only seats 16,500; but they averaged a I-AA Best 25,000 people at their games last year!Similar design to Stambaugh; but they have a big ass hill which seats over 10,000; they are getting a brand new 3 story press box in the upcoming months as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-Zips Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 The way that we talk it seems as if we are the pride of divison I college football. I mean who the hell are we? Akron football is a small fish in a big pond. We have had one good football season since going D-1.Does it ever occur to you people that perhaps it was us who made the bad move staying D-1? We have to resort to playing our games on Thursday and Friday nights, no not for national TV but for ESPNU. For years we were the MAC whopen boys. Our staidum is laughed at by every visiting team that comes through. Since our mac title season 2 years ago no one outside of Akron fans (and even Akron fans) don't give a shit about Zips football. I saw YSU play 4 times on National TV last season and most of the games under the "This is how D-1a should do this by play-off's" title.I've seen YSU win 4 national titles, be runner ups twice, have one of the best coaches in the entire country, improve upon thier football stadium etc etc. As a D-1A team we have one count them one MAC title, 1 bowl apperance, no bowl wins, a shitty stadium, shitty fans, we have to pad our attendance by dumping thousands of free tickets just to remian D-1.So in reality we talk about "sacing" up and becoming a MAC team for YSU. But in reality the MAC aint great at anything. It's one thing to "sac" up and play the big boys and move it, but its another thing to move up and make no impact on D-1A football.Heres how I see it, you can write the history of Divison IA college football without the University of Akron Zips. You can't write the history of Divison I-AA football without YSU. So when people like 81 say stop whining and sac up and blah blah blah, what the hell have we done at the Divison I level to have any divison I team, (I-A, or AA) look up to us and say "WOW" I wanna be like Akron. Maybe YSU took a lesson from us and Cant just say fuck it lets stay here.Who the heck cares who the division I-AA champion is? Who even won it last year?Appalachian State has won it back to back years, and they will probably win it for a 3rd straight year coming up. They may have lost to NC-State last year early in the season, but because they started their backup QB and Running Backs; which never played again after that game.Remember the names Armanti Edwards and Kevin Richardson. They are the most talented players in I-AA and you will see them on ESPN quite a bit in the upcoming season. I'd go out on a limb and say Appy St. would finish in the top 3 in the MAC; they were that good. And I say that because I have seen Championship I-AA teams play before and I have seen the MAC play before, and Appalachian St. is the best I-AA program I have ever seen---EVER.O yah may I add that their stadium only seats 16,500; but they averaged a I-AA Best 25,000 people at their games last year!Similar design to Stambaugh; but they have a big ass hill which seats over 10,000; they are getting a brand new 3 story press box in the upcoming months as well. I've been there. It's a crap hole. When was i there you ask? This past season is my answer. They may be the best 1-AA team.. but they are still 1-AA. No disrespect intended, just keeping it real. there stadium is not even nice, it's like Dix only worse. If Can't State wants to add some nice suites then they would trump App. State in every way. The difference is coaching (amazing coaching is done at this level) and giving kids that could go to other 1-A schools and compete for positions the chance to start right away. Talanet-wise they are not as good on paper, but that's why you coach, teach, and mold these players into a real team. I thought App. State was a terrific team this past season. However, i am not sure they could compete on a week to week basis with the MAC for a .500 league record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdZip Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 INDIANS06: Why so much profanity? If you need that to make your point, it must not be a very good point.I hear the Indians are planning on taking all of their eligible major league players and moving them down to Buffalo. That way they can win the AAA championship and brag how awesome they are. No wait, that wouldn't make sense.I hear the Browns are going to pack it in in the NFL and join the Arena Footbal League. That way they can win it all...no wait, that wouldn't make sense.It's an interesting point you make. Join a weaker league so that you have a better chance of winning. That way, when you win it all, you can post signs everywhere that you are clearly, without a doubt, unconditionally no worse than the 120th best college football team in the nation.Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go join a preschool tee-ball league. I'm sure I could just DOMINATE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go join a preschool tee-ball league. I'm sure I could just DOMINATE! ...and when the coach-pitch league offers you $125,000 to play a game, make sure you decline the offer...then grouse about how they never play against you.Then post some highly relevant pictures of a sweet T-ball stadium in Appalachia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Only one ranking system compares all I-A and I-AA Schools; and that is the Sagarin Computer Rankings.Let's see here:#53 Appalachian State#71 Youngstown State#90 New Hampshire [bEAT Northwestern]#101 Southern Illinois [bEAT Indiana]#105 AKRONThere are a total of 12 I-AA Schools with a higher Sagarin ranking than Akron, and a total of 17 higher than Can't State. EVEN Central Michigan, the MAC Champs are less than the best in I-AA; Appy St.Yes this may not be the best judge of how teams would play on the field, but it does place schedule strenght heavily in the formula. And I find it funny that YSU is 120 in schedule strength to Akron's 104 and Can't's 119.READ MORE HERE:http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htmI-AA are getting better each year, and that shows in the # of wins vs. I-A schools last year, including 2 vs. Big Ten schools. Two years ago Akron would've killed YSU and last year, Can't probably would've taken it to YSU early on in the season; but consistently over the last 10-15 years; our level of competition is pretty darn even on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Our level of competition is pretty darn even on the field.Then prove it on the field. We'll pay you $125,000 to do so. Hell...it is probably up to $175,000 by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Our level of competition is pretty darn even on the field.Then prove it on the field. We'll pay you $125,000 to do so. Hell...it is probably up to $175,000 by now. Like I said earlier, 2009 is our only open season w/o a I-A school as of now. I think we will enjoy our paychecks of $650,000 the next 2 years vs. Ohio State and $350,000 in 2010 when we go to Penn St. If we can't get any good offer like these 2, then I'm sure we will schedule you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indians06 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Ohh yes everyone get mad at me because I proved a point. I would say there is a clear difference between an International league national championship in AAA and a college football national championship. Someone please tell me what we have gained by being 1-A? A MAC championship???? Is that it? Our football stadium still stands crumbling before my feet, we play our games on weekdays to meet ESPNU TV times. Our media coverage is non existant. Hell we can't even beat Cant in football. Now I went to Akron so I have a very good education, but I'm not a genious. But if we offer YSU $125,000 to play at the shit hole rubber bowl, and Ohio State offers YSU $600,000 to play at Ohio stadium, I'm going to say theres not a college football team in the entire country that would pick us. Lets face it guys, I live in Boardman right outside of Youngstown, and no one from Youngstown wither it be fans, coaches, athletes or AD personal are looking at the University of Akron and saying, "WOW I wanna be like them, I want a stadium like them, I want fans like them, I wanna be them." You people make it seem like our football program is osme glorious thing. Like people in Youngstown are jelous because of our success. WE HAVE NO SUCCESS! What do you people get, YSU took a note from us and Cant. I don't know about you but I'm sick of buying season tickets every year and having to miss most of them because of weekday games. You people make it sound like were the greatest football team of all time, and its some kind of an honor for YSU to play us, no team in the world is going to give up almost half a million to play at the rubber bowl, but you people keep it up, atleast yiou guys believe were such a great football dynasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Indians you've missed the point of it all. This thread was started out of incessant bashing by YSU fans regarding Akron's unwillingness to play them. Their bitching about us not letting them in the MAC. This thread represents an answer to them to go away. Step up or step off and if you aren't going to play us when we offer then just shut up. Your points are valid, but I believe the value an even mediocre Div. 1 program brings to the table is bigger than a great Div. 1AA program. People know about YSU because of Ron Jaworski and Tressel more than their football program alone. If you don't win it all in Div. 1AA the chances of getting recognized are much slimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indians06 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 If YSU football is known by Jaworski and Tressel then I would say that is a credit to the YSU football program. Are we to shun YSU because they made a great hire of Jim Tressel? Are we saying that their football program is known because they recruited a great QB who started in the NFL? So what you are saying is that YSU recruited a great QB, and hired a great coach, but the football program isn't known? Last time I checked that's what a football program is, consisted of coaches and athletes. So why are you trying to downgrade why people know YSU because they recruited a star QB and a legendary coach? You are trying to belittle their success because their "football program" made good moves. I don't get what you are trying to say? People know YSU a marque 1-AA football program all over the country, however I' afraid YSU's football program is more known than Akrons. Every Ohio State football game I watch YSU is mentioned, I watched the Cincy Rutgers game, YSU is mentioned, I watched a Kansas football game on fox sports and YSU is mentioned because the coaching staff was all apart of the YSU program at one time.What I see living in Youngstown are 2 newspapers that devote themselves to YSU athletics, and 3 TV stations. I hear the 2nd most powerful AM radio station in NE Ohio pick up YSU athletics. I see people wearing red, Y's all over the mahoning valley, fire hydrants painted like Penguins, hell sculptures of Penguins all over the area I know call home. Where is that in Akron?We are a mediocre 1-A football program AT BEST! I would pronounce us as a below average 1-A program. When we had our good football year alumni and students supported the team, however that was all. We don't have the community support that YSU has, and a lot of that is credited to national championships and a winning tradition. IDC what level of football it is. I WANT A WINNING TRADITION IN AKRON! I want what Youngstown has in Akron, I want our local newspaper to care more about the Zips, than the Cavilers, Indians, Browns and Buckeyes. And who ever said YSU pads their attendance must have never been to an Akron football game before. If YSU "pads" their attendance then we fill our attendance figures with a lot of rubber. I don't believe YSU pads attendance figures because there is no set attendance mark in 1AA football, however we must giveaway the rubber bowl to remain 1-A. No one still comes when we give away free tickets. None of you see a problem with that at all??????? But all of us here will rip YSU by saying, "their only known because they had a good QB and a good coach." Well hello that's usually what makes programs known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 If YSU football is known by Jaworski and Tressel then I would say that is a credit to the YSU football program. Are we to shun YSU because they made a great hire of Jim Tressel? Are we saying that their football program is known because they recruited a great QB who started in the NFL? So what you are saying is that YSU recruited a great QB, and hired a great coach, but the football program isn't known? Last time I checked that's what a football program is, consisted of coaches and athletes. So why are you trying to downgrade why people know YSU because they recruited a star QB and a legendary coach? You are trying to belittle their success because their "football program" made good moves. I don't get what you are trying to say? People know YSU a marque 1-AA football program all over the country, however I' afraid YSU's football program is more known than Akrons. Every Ohio State football game I watch YSU is mentioned, I watched the Cincy Rutgers game, YSU is mentioned, I watched a Kansas football game on fox sports and YSU is mentioned because the coaching staff was all apart of the YSU program at one time.What I see living in Youngstown are 2 newspapers that devote themselves to YSU athletics, and 3 TV stations. I hear the 2nd most powerful AM radio station in NE Ohio pick up YSU athletics. I see people wearing red, Y's all over the mahoning valley, fire hydrants painted like Penguins, hell sculptures of Penguins all over the area I know call home. Where is that in Akron?We are a mediocre 1-A football program AT BEST! I would pronounce us as a below average 1-A program. When we had our good football year alumni and students supported the team, however that was all. We don't have the community support that YSU has, and a lot of that is credited to national championships and a winning tradition. IDC what level of football it is. I WANT A WINNING TRADITION IN AKRON! I want what Youngstown has in Akron, I want our local newspaper to care more about the Zips, than the Cavilers, Indians, Browns and Buckeyes. And who ever said YSU pads their attendance must have never been to an Akron football game before. If YSU "pads" their attendance then we fill our attendance figures with a lot of rubber. I don't believe YSU pads attendance figures because there is no set attendance mark in 1AA football, however we must giveaway the rubber bowl to remain 1-A. No one still comes when we give away free tickets. None of you see a problem with that at all??????? But all of us here will rip YSU by saying, "their only known because they had a good QB and a good coach." Well hello that's usually what makes programs known. First off Go Indians!And second off, thank you for seeing the light and telling it how it is.Do I think YSU will beat Akron and Can't if we go to play there? NO... But we sure as hell can upset you guys, that is if you call that an upset.YSU is well known throughout America; as is Georgia Southern and Appalachian State. Last year YSU was on ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD Primetime in the same year in the FCS Playoffs! Can you or Can't say that? I don't think so.Bottom line is we are winning in the I-AA Ranks, and we probably could win in the I-A Ranks too if we moved up; but right now we are fine with out position. Many of our fans want to move up, but right now our monies are dedicated to other projects around campus, such as a brand new business college in our downtown and a brand new indoor sports practice facility across the street from Stambaugh. All of our TV networks talk abotu YSU every night of the week, as do our newspapers, and we are on the 2nd strongest AM Signal across Northern Ohio.Hell on September 1st; tune to 570 WKBN at noon and you will hear the crisp and clear sound of Youngstown State football on the radio. I have tried to listen to Zips football here in Youngstown, and I can't! Well now you can hear what we are talking about and how strong the local support is for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Penguins are so popular you are over hear on the Akron fan board. Go to the Penguins board -- I couldn't find it when I looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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