timmyboy Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I dont know if someone has already posted this but i just seen a highlight film for DL Shawn Lemon an this guy is a beast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRasor0200 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Lemon is a beast. He showed that this spring. I asked about him after one of the first practices, and Brookhart said he has been impressed, too, but he's still somewhat raw.I'm certain he'll get playing time this fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Given the state of our DL, Lemon will definetly see lots of playing time this year. He may even start if he polishes his technique a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I don't know if "beast" is the right word for Shawn Lemon. I mean the kid is 220 lbs soaking wet. Extremely quick and agile yes, and that's what is going to make him valuable in pass rush situations. I don't think he can be an every down player in the Zips 3 man front unless he puts on about 30 lbs. You absolutely cannot take the chance of having him line up to the tight end side in a running situation, because he will see double teams and be blown off the ball every time, and teams will pull the guard around and run power all day long. Given that the Zips line their d-ends up based off bench and field, there's no way to ensure that Lemon isn't to the tight end side. I have a feeling he'll see most of his minutes on 3rd and longs this year and hopefully Dan Bailey and the strength staff can get some weight on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I don't know if "beast" is the right word for Shawn Lemon. I mean the kid is 220 lbs soaking wet. Extremely quick and agile yes, and that's what is going to make him valuable in pass rush situations. I don't think he can be an every down player in the Zips 3 man front unless he puts on about 30 lbs. You absolutely cannot take the chance of having him line up to the tight end side in a running situation, because he will see double teams and be blown off the ball every time, and teams will pull the guard around and run power all day long. Given that the Zips line their d-ends up based off bench and field, there's no way to ensure that Lemon isn't to the tight end side. I have a feeling he'll see most of his minutes on 3rd and longs this year and hopefully Dan Bailey and the strength staff can get some weight on him.I agree with you. He's got a lot of upside (is that term used enough now-a-days?) but he's small for a DL. He got pushed around pretty good by our OL's in the spring game. Another 30lbs would put him in the "beast" category.Almondo Sewell - "Beast" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 InTheZone..I think you're right on the money with this guy. If anything, we might see him in some obvious passing situations as a rush DL. We'll have to wait for him to develop to see more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 I feel it is time for us to switch to a 4-3 base defense.We seem to have DE that are too small for the 3-3-5 but would be great at the 4-3.We have 4-3 sized DE. In the 3-3-5 the DE is basically a DT.We would get more pass rush and be a better overall defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Buckzip is correct. Get rid of that 3-3-5. Good running teams are destroying the Zips on the ground!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Buckzip is correct. Get rid of that 3-3-5. Good running teams are destroying the Zips on the ground!!!!!!!!!So you all think that a 4-3 will change how good our run defense is? Especially considering JD himself pointed out that he has difficulty finding one dominating D-Lineman let alone 2?The most Likely defensive change would be to a 3-4 to incorporate the Linebacker depth, but the 3-3-5 is still the best option because you have a larger blitz package that you can run out of it and the defensive shifts confuse blocking schemes. They do need to address how to cover the option out of the 3-3-5 so we don't see Edelman (on any QB for that matter) looking like an All-American against us again this year. Considering they gave up an average of 322.5 ypg last year any improvement anywhere is going to be huge (meaning dominating because that is only 50 yards a game more then WMU). And that average can drop just from us being able to run the ball better on offense and keep our D off the field so they can rest up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 They do need to address how to cover the option out of the 3-3-5 so we don't see Edelman (on any QB for that matter) looking like an All-American against us again this year.Amen brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Buckzip is correct. Get rid of that 3-3-5. Good running teams are destroying the Zips on the ground!!!!!!!!!So you all think that a 4-3 will change how good our run defense is? Especially considering JD himself pointed out that he has difficulty finding one dominating D-Lineman let alone 2?The most Likely defensive change would be to a 3-4 to incorporate the Linebacker depth, but the 3-3-5 is still the best option because you have a larger blitz package that you can run out of it and the defensive shifts confuse blocking schemes. They do need to address how to cover the option out of the 3-3-5 so we don't see Edelman (on any QB for that matter) looking like an All-American against us again this year. Considering they gave up an average of 322.5 ypg last year any improvement anywhere is going to be huge (meaning dominating because that is only 50 yards a game more then WMU). And that average can drop just from us being able to run the ball better on offense and keep our D off the field so they can rest up. Actually with a 4-3 you need less big bodies. The 3-3-5 basically uses 3 DT. They are called ends, but they are closer to DT size. With a a 4-3 you have 2-DT and 2DE. With the 3-3-5, you have 3 DT. Maybe not true DT, but they are certainly bigger than a standard DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Actually with a 4-3 you need less big bodies. The 3-3-5 basically uses 3 DT. They are called ends, but they are closer to DT size. With a a 4-3 you have 2-DT and 2DE. With the 3-3-5, you have 3 DT. Maybe not true DT, but they are certainly bigger than a standard DE.Actually, in a 4-3 you typically are going to use two 300lb plus individuals to fight in the guard/center, guard/tackle gaps (A and B gap). In a 3 man line you have one 300lb individual over center shifting to either A gap (weak or strong side). So then your Mike has opposite. Your D-ends are true D-ends lining up over tackle, your two outside linebackers have B gap or C gap coverage based on the line movement. You need one big man in a 3 man line, two in 4 man line. You want a quicker person over tackle for the fact that he is always going to be the tackles blocking assignment (creates a mismatch). this gives you strong blitzing ability to the B or C gap. Of course that is only the theory for run defense, and only factors in the front 6. Once you add the two Strong Safeties you are able to attack any gap at any time. You can switch between 6 and 8 men in the box on a whim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanie 4 Heisman Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Alright someone who actually knows the 3-3-5. This scheme can really be good with the right personel, which i think we are accumulating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 What BCS schools play the 3-3-5, how long have they played it, and where do they rank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 What BCS schools play the 3-3-5, how long have they played it, and where do they rank? West Virginia runs it, but I'm not sure how long they've had it as a scheme. They're ranked #2 overall in the pre-season which is not too shabby if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 What BCS schools play the 3-3-5, how long have they played it, and where do they rank?West Virginia runs it, but I'm not sure how long they've had it as a scheme. They're ranked #2 overall in the pre-season which is not too shabby if you ask me. West Virginia ran it last year. If you noticed they had one of the worst run defenses in the country.Any defense will work if you have the "right" People.A 0-7-4 defense would work if you had 7All American LB's and 4 All American DB'sThe 3-3-5 is a horrible defense against the run....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanie 4 Heisman Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 i think they have been running it as long as rich rodriguez has been there so i think about 3 or 4 years. roughly the same amount of time we have been running it. I think we had a good defense last season, but the offense couldnt stay on the field. Which makes it tough for a defense when your out there most of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted August 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 personally i think we would do better with the 4-3 defense. we have athletic DE's who would be able to drop back in coverage on different plays if needed, be able to get around the edge and get to the QB, and also help stop the run. We may not be deep at DL, but robinson,pendleton,lively,cechetti could all play DT then we could have williams, lemon, and a few of other recruits play the DE position.DT: Pendleton, Robinson, Lively, CechettiDE: Williams, Lemon, Little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanie 4 Heisman Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 You forgot someone who could possibly be one of the best DE's in the MAC. Marquinn Davis!! I've seen this guy run around the fieldhouse. He is about 6'5" fairly thick, and cut. Plus he was beating most of the team during sprints. He only played one year of football in high school, but who knows maybe something will click here and we could see him on the field this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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