Dr Z Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Ask Doc what I said when he was drafted.................I frikin hate to be right when it involves a young man I respect.I've been waiting for your comment. It's good to be in the know. JD's comments from the BJ.Akron coach J.D. Brookhart said he feels bad for Frye, but he hasn't lost faith in him.''He works very hard. He's got all the intangibles,'' Brookhart said. ''You don't know (Sunday) if the receivers ran the wrong routes, or the protection wasn't right. You don't know how to assess everything off a quarter and a half. It's not like that's his first game.''Charlie will have his opportunity again, and knowing him, he'll be prepared for it. Charlie is the right kind of guy. He will press on. He'll be in the NFL a long time.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Buckzip...nothing personal, but I think you aren't understanding this.By trading for Frye, Seattle is obligated to pay him his current salary, WHICH IS THE SALARY HE NEGOTIATED AS AN EARLY 3RD ROUND DRAFT PICK. Would they have agreed to pick up the salary of someone making 3rd round draft pick money if they thought he wasn't that good? Of course not. That would be stupid.Skip-zip. I understand your point. Again, you are missing mine. Please reread it.I never said he was garbage. My point is just that the only thing the Browns could get for him is a 6th round pick.This has nothing to do with salary. $1M in NFL terms is nothing.IF any other team really wanted him they would have given up more than a 6th round pick.I will make this easier to understand. If Peyton Manning was going to be traded by the Colts right nowDo you not think the Colts would get a whole hell of a lot more than a 6th round pick for him in a trade?He makes umpteen million. However, the Colts would probably get 2 1st round picks and other stuff too. I know it's apples to oranges. Bu that is my point.I never said nobody wnats Frye. I said nobody wants him enough to give up more than a 6th round pick. Salary has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Buckzip...nothing personal, but I think you aren't understanding this.By trading for Frye, Seattle is obligated to pay him his current salary, WHICH IS THE SALARY HE NEGOTIATED AS AN EARLY 3RD ROUND DRAFT PICK. Would they have agreed to pick up the salary of someone making 3rd round draft pick money if they thought he wasn't that good? Of course not. That would be stupid.Skip-zip. I understand your point. Again, you are missing mine. Please reread it.I never said he was garbage. My point is just that the only thing the Browns could get for him is a 6th round pick.This has nothing to do with salary. $1M in NFL terms is nothing.IF any other team really wanted him they would have given up more than a 6th round pick.I will make this easier to understand. If Peyton Manning was going to be traded by the Colts right nowDo you not think the Colts would get a whole hell of a lot more than a 6th round pick for him in a trade?He makes umpteen million. However, the Colts would probably get 2 1st round picks and other stuff too. I know it's apples to oranges. Bu that is my point.I never said nobody wnats Frye. I said nobody wants him enough to give up more than a 6th round pick. Salary has nothing to do with it. My analogy, and maybe this hits home, is:Say you are Ohio State. You have a game that is worth $700,000 to an opponent. That opponent only gets paid $375,000. That doesn't mean the game wasn't worth $700,000. Obviously it was...two opponents are known to be receiving that cash. It only means that Ohio State received a pretty good deal.Just because they paid for it with a 6th round pick doesn't mean that's what he's worth. In my opinion, the Seahawks got a great deal, giving up a 6th round pick for a 25 year old QB with 19(?) NFL starts under his belt and a 64% completion percentage last year. The Browns are Half circus/Half Iraq. Frye's the lucky one...he's went from that situation, to a Super Bowl contender, in one day. Browns fans are stuck watching clowns and ducking mortars for the next several years.At least the Browns will have a top 5 draft pick to work with after this 3-13 season is over...wait...that's gone. We'll...they at least have a second rounder, don't they?Remember that episode of Bugs Bunny where Bugs single-handedly took on the Gorillas? It was "Bugs Bunny at first base, Bugs Bunny at second base, Bugs Bunny in center field..."Unless it's "Brady Quinn at quarterback, Brady Quinn at offensive tackle, Brady Quinn at defensive tackle, Brady Quinn at cornerback..." the Browns are, yet again, in a HEAP of trouble. Ken Dorsey as a "mentor?" Wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I think you can bend over backwards trying to explain this to some people. They are going to believe what they believe.I know some Browns fans that still believe that "under the right circumstances" Tim Couch was a great pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Didn't Miami get Trent Green with a 6th round pick? It also has something to do with who feels they need a quarterback and if the team dealing the quarterback has already played their hand -- a la bringing Dorsey back into the building prior to the trade. Heck Byron Leftwich is a free agent why didn't they go after him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zipgrad01 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I think you are both somewhat right in what you are saying. But, you have to look at it another way. There isn't a team in the NFL right now that doesn't have "their guy" at quarterback. You can argue about Harrington in Atlanta, but that organization isn't even dumb enough to shelf him after one game like the Browns did to Frye. The only other team I can think of is possibly the Jets because nobody is that high on Pennington anymore after the arm surgeries. Saying this...the 6th round pick is a fair price considering he is being brought in as a backup basically anywhere he goes. BUT, the teams also thought enough of him to give up the pick AND pay his $1 million salary. They obviously thought more of Frye than Byron Leftwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Saying this...the 6th round pick is a fair price considering he is being brought in as a backup basically anywhere he goes. BUT, the teams also thought enough of him to give up the pick AND pay his $1 million salary. They obviously thought more of Frye than Byron Leftwich.That is my point...Nobody thought he was good enough to be a starter. If someone thought he was starter material, they would have offered more than a 6th.The Browns organization sucks. We all know that. Any team that goes through an entire off season and training camp with their starting QB then cuts him after 1 quarter of 1 game is pretty crappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipGrad93 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I do get your point... Maybe I just prefer to look at it from the "glass is half full" perspective.We definitely agree on the quality of the Browns organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nobody thought he was good enough to be a starter. If someone thought he was starter material, they would have offered more than a 6th. That is EXACTLY what Miami traded for their starter a couple months ago. Why do you think that it was easy to negotiate the trade so quick? Precedent was set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I do get your point... Maybe I just prefer to look at it from the "glass is half full" perspective.We definitely agree on the quality of the Browns organization. I didn't realize this was a half full/half empty type thing.Yeah, the Browns suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nobody thought he was good enough to be a starter. If someone thought he was starter material, they would have offered more than a 6th.That is EXACTLY what Miami traded for their starter a couple months ago. Why do you think that it was easy to negotiate the trade so quick? Precedent was set. First off the Dolphins gave up a 5th round pick. At least that is what their website says.Secondly, Green is a 38 year old band-aid. He is their to fill a hole until someone is drafted. Frye is a 3rd year QB with some real experience. If anyone thought he had a big upside they would have gotten more.Wow, this sounds like a Frye bashing thread now. I feel like the guy that always bashes him now. That isn't my intention at all. I am merely saying that obviously the other NFL teams don't share some of your views of how great he can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Wow, this sounds like a Frye bashing thread now. I feel like the guy that always bashes him now. That isn't my intention at all. I am merely saying that obviously the other NFL teams don't share some of your views of how great he can be.I think that's the problem I got into with w00t and sgm so I decided that I had to shut up or it would never end. They were probably just arguing for the sake of arguing, but to me if felt like they were trolling and Frye bashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 This argument has gotten old and tired.Bottom line, no team in the NFL pays $1 million dollars to someone who is just filling a roster spot. If that is your intention, you can get all kinds of players for NFL minimum, even last year's Heisman trophy winner.There was either competition for his services, or Holmgren sees great potential in him, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 This argument has gotten old and tired.Bottom line, no team in the NFL pays $1 million dollars to someone who is just filling a roster spot. If that is your intention, you can get all kinds of players for NFL minimum, even last year's Heisman trophy winner.There was either competition for his services, or Holmgren sees great potential in him, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipGrad93 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I do get your point... Maybe I just prefer to look at it from the "glass is half full" perspective.We definitely agree on the quality of the Browns organization.I didn't realize this was a half full/half empty type thing.Yeah, the Browns suck It's simple... You're looking at it from the negative or pessimistic side - no teams really wanted him. I'm looking at it from the optimistic side - a team was willing to trade a pick and pay him a million a year to ensure that they got him.I'm not trying to go round and round on something with you. As a matter of fact, for what it's worth, I was with you on the whole Buckeyes/Zips thing, but I just decided to avoid the argument. Also, I don't think you're bashing Charlie...ZipGrad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I'm not saying he's a big time trigger..........in fact, I'm not really convinced he's an NFL starter (I hate agreeing with that ahole GP :-) )..............but the poor kid has not really been in a good situation downtown. I guess birds of a feather do indeed flock together. Enjoy Asia......take in a bath house and let some little Asian girl soap you up some. Wait a minute, you can go to Youngstown and get the same thing.Sometimes in a baseball trades when a team is trying to unload a player, they trade them but agree to continue to pay part of the salary. I wonder if this is the case here.Frye is listed as #3 right now, but by the end of the year he will be #2. There was a report that they want to use Seneca Wallace (sp?) as a "Slash Stewart" type player. If so, Frye will need to be listed and prepare as #2 in case Wallace gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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