Captain Kangaroo Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Any truth to the rumor that Z-P posed for the picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Any truth to the rumor that Z-P posed for the picture?Hmm, the cost of the ticket is surprisingly similar to what I would be willing to pay for a YSU ticket today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Does anyone know what year this is from? I tried looking on Wikipedia and started with 1963 and worked backwards. None of the years we played them back then have a Saturday, Oct. 9thIt is from the turn of the century. The original poster sold for $3,000 at an auction a couple years ago (true story). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Any truth to the rumor that Z-P posed for the picture?Hmm, the cost of the ticket is surprisingly similar to what I would be willing to pay for a YSU ticket today. Does anyone know what year this is from? I tried looking on Wikipedia and started with 1963 and worked backwards. None of the years we played them back then have a Saturday, Oct. 9thBy "we" I assume you mean the University. Note that nowhere on the poster does it say the teams are associated with an institution of higher learning, and at that time the school was known as Buchtel College. Therefore, I conclude that the teams were composed of highly talented non-college local talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Was there a Youngstown team in the early NFL? I was just at the HOF and know that the Akron Pros won the first championship, but I don't recall seeing a Y'town team. It wouldn't surprise me. My bet is that this was early pro-football or at least semi-pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 For you history buffs, here is a little info on the poster sale (scroll about 20% of the way down), and if you click on the "lot" link you can find speculation on the origin (pasted below).From a regional, northeastern countryside activity to a widely followed and highly esteemed national pastime—and slowly becoming a worldwide phenomenon—professional football now needs very little advertisement for fans of any intensity or persuasion to know that, come Fall, the only question that has to be answered is, "are you ready for some football?!" The offered exemplar hails from an era that predates even the leather helmets of the early 20th Century, and in fact, is one of the earliest football broadsides known to exist. Presented here is a truly majestic and impeccably well-kept, 19th Century survivor. This over one hundred-year-old relic bills a contest between two early American football teams from the NFL's birth state of Ohio—a meeting between a squad from Youngstown and the other from Akron. The piece reads, "FOOTBALL / YOUNGSTOWN vs. AKRON / ** YOUNGSTOWN HAS NEVER BEEN DEFEATED ** / Buchtel College Grounds / GAME CALLED AT 3:30 / Saturday Oct.9." The bold red and blue print have remained impressively crisp and vibrant, and the large, full body image (21"-tall) of the gridiron athlete at the left of the piece also reveals exceptional clarity. The item's lower left exhibits the manufacturer's "Werner Akron, Ohio" notation, and although the relic's 25" x 39" visible area demonstrates slight wear at the unobtrusive and understandably age-induced folds, the piece displays unbelievable condition; EX overall. Set within a 47-3/8" x 32-1/4" wood frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Since we only know this game was around the turn of the century, let's assume it is around 1890. A ticket to the game was 25 cents. Adjusted for inflation, the cost was $5.70 to attend the game in 2008 depending on the internet calculator one uses (the calculator seems suspect....maybe it's just the user). A Saturday matinee at the movie was also around 15 cents on the high end (I paid $7.50 last weekend). Zips tickets are in excess of $5.70 per ticket. Both the movie industry and the Zips are out performing inflation over the past century. I guess that's something to hang our hat on as long as we do not factor in the comp tickets given out over the years. Let's just hope this is not a sign of a Zips ticket bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 What year did we change from Buchtel College to The University of Akron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Uhh .. 19th century would indicate late 1800's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 What year did we change from Buchtel College to The University of Akron?1913. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Since we only know this game was around the turn of the century, let's assume it is around 1890. A ticket to the game was 25 cents. Adjusted for inflation, the cost was $5.70 to attend the game in 2008 depending on the internet calculator one uses (the calculator seems suspect....maybe it's just the user). A Saturday matinee at the movie was also around 15 cents on the high end (I paid $7.50 last weekend). Zips tickets are in excess of $5.70 per ticket. Both the movie industry and the Zips are out performing inflation over the past century. I guess that's something to hang our hat on as long as we do not factor in the comp tickets given out over the years. Let's just hope this is not a sign of a Zips ticket bubble. 25 cents to $5.70 over 118 years implies an annual inflation rate of just under 2.69%. Oh if it were only true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Since we only know this game was around the turn of the century, let's assume it is around 1890. A ticket to the game was 25 cents. Adjusted for inflation, the cost was $5.70 to attend the game in 2008 depending on the internet calculator one uses (the calculator seems suspect....maybe it's just the user). A Saturday matinee at the movie was also around 15 cents on the high end (I paid $7.50 last weekend). Zips tickets are in excess of $5.70 per ticket. Both the movie industry and the Zips are out performing inflation over the past century. I guess that's something to hang our hat on as long as we do not factor in the comp tickets given out over the years. Let's just hope this is not a sign of a Zips ticket bubble. 25 cents to $5.70 over 118 years implies an annual inflation rate of just under 2.69%. Oh if it were only true.It does seem odd. Originally, I used 1910 and it gave $5.70 which is the same as the 1890 number. Here is the calculator I used http://www.westegg.com/inflation/Since we are talking inflation and finance....and it is summer with nothing much going on, I learned an interesting fact from a friend. He is one of the probably 10,000 Vice Presidents at Fidelity. Between 1896 and 1996, housing value in the US grew almost exactly with inflation. Between 1996 and 2006, we had the housing bubble and now the bust. They are betting that the value of property has much further to fall than it currently has. Beware! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 What year did we change from Buchtel College to The University of Akron?1913.Then why doesn't say Buchtel College? That's why I think this is some type of football club competition...not the American Professional Football Asso.(NFL), which didn't begin until 1920.I couldn't find any evidence of Youngstown ever having an NFL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 In 1916, the Akron Burkhardts were founded as a professional football team. They changed to the Akron Pros the next year. The APFA wasn't founded until 1920, when Akron won the first ever NFL championship.This creates a problem, since Buchtel College became UA in 1913, but the Pros weren't founded until 1916. There might have been a few independant professional teams in the area before then, but no real leagues. It was probably two club organizations that played each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 What year did we change from Buchtel College to The University of Akron?1913.Then why doesn't say Buchtel College? That's why I think this is some type of football club competition...not the American Professional Football Asso.(NFL), which didn't begin until 1920.I couldn't find any evidence of Youngstown ever having an NFL team.Nominated for "non-sentence of the year." Come on TimmyBoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 What year did we change from Buchtel College to The University of Akron?1913.Then why doesn't say Buchtel College? That's why I think this is some type of football club competition...not the American Professional Football Asso.(NFL), which didn't begin until 1920.I couldn't find any evidence of Youngstown ever having an NFL team.Nominated for "non-sentence of the year." Come on TimmyBoy.TimmyBoy????? "non-sentence" ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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