The Last Word on YSU

[ZippyRulz]

The Guins will be playing OOC at Southern Utah this fall...how much will that trip cost and how many fans will they take? (they also have a MVFC league game at South Dakota State) It would make a lot more sense for them to pile in a bus and drive 45 minutes to Akron and play to a full house. They said they won't do it without a home and home but they would probably accept a 2 for 1 and we could just petition the MAC office for an exemption to play at Stambaugh since it's a big rivalry and would help the MAC's overall attendance.

[UA1987]

So in summation: The Zips are a Division 1 football program that has no business playing Wisconsin, and should schedule 1-AA Youngstown State.Makes sense to me.

Are you sure this is isn't Johnny Knoxville replying ...As I've said in prior posts, I'm for scheduling anyone anywhere in Division IA, as long as they return the favor and play at least one game in the contract here (Indiana, Syracuse... are perfect examples) . Don't advocate whoring out this program with 'away only' contracts or I'll chase you down. The Bigs (top tiers of the BCS conferences, except OSU) should be made to wait for selective games in the future (maybe a bowl game if one of them slips a bit and if we build right), unless they would play here, which won't happen . Our new home field advantage at Infocision should be our key to building a winning tradition. Division IAA scheduling, maybe... if no other options are available, but only home games. YSU - maybe too, but only in Infocision. I can see your're having a hard time understanding my posts or maybe just busting me in the taliwacker. If you are truely having trouble, then I can understand...just like the way you couldn't make sense, last year, of when we couldn't just re-load at receiver for the 2007 season, despite the losses we suffered at those positions. Oh and don't worry,... I won't bring up the details of your pre-season prediction last year. Brilliant: Nough Said.

[Captain Kangaroo]

If you are truely having trouble, then I can understand...just like the way you couldn't make sense, last year, of when we couldn't just re-load at receiver for the 2007 season, despite the losses we suffered at those positions. Oh and don't worry,... I won't bring up the details of your pre-season prediction last year. Brilliant: Nough Said.

I'm glad my 2007 pre-season post was memorable to you. I do know mine was more accurate than Phil Steele (3-9 K.e.n.t. to win it all), and he's a paid "expert." BTW - My season predictions are part fun and part educated guess. Nothing more. Last summer, who knew that Vince Hill would bolt...that CJ7 and CJ11 would be terrible, etc.?Like I have for about 10 years, with varying degrees of accuracy, I'll do it again this year. Most people seem to like it, and I have fun putting it together.

[Zipsrifle]

Travel will be very relevant with transportation costs increasing, unless you think that YSU will be on a perpetual contract with OSU and PSU. Get out the white coats if you think this is true

Come on, do you really think that travel costs are that relevant? Does it cost more? Yes. Will it keep a team from playing a football game....No. If this were the case, then confrences and bowls should be re-aligned according to which teams are closest to each other and the venue.

Ah, most conferences are aligned in the same region for travel, both for teams and fans, and natural rivaries.

Ohh...OK. So with this logic, we should start the NEONWPC (Northeast Ohio Northwest Pennsylvania Confrence), which will consist of:CSUAkron Can'tBWWalshJohn CarrollPittCanasiusDequesneSlippery RockMount UnionYoungstown StateBowl Games: Rust Bowl (Pittsburgh)Rubber Bowl (in the Rubber bowl?)Urban Decay Bowl (Cleveland)I'm sure I'm missing a few here. Actually, this would probably make a better BB confrence than the MAC.

[Blue & Gold]

I'm sure I'm missing a few here. Actually, this would probably make a better BB confrence than the MAC.

How could you have missed MALONE?! Come on, now!

[UA1987]

Your list is as ridiculous as your wacky Zip wig, but I like the fact that PITT was in there... If we build our program right (see my scheduling posts) and MANY years down the road, maybe we should think Pitt, Syracuse, Louisvilie, Cincinnatti, ... can we get to the big money, very questionable now, but it sounds like something the University should at least consider in forward planning. For the foreseable future, critical are the next five years to building a winning tradition... is our AD up to the challenge?

[BirdZip]

Ohh...OK. So with this logic, we should start the NEONWPC (Northeast Ohio Northwest Pennsylvania Confrence), which will consist of:CSUAkron Can'tBWWalshJohn CarrollPittCanasiusDequesneSlippery RockMount UnionYoungstown StateBowl Games: Rust Bowl (Pittsburgh)Rubber Bowl (in the Rubber bowl?)Urban Decay Bowl (Cleveland)I'm sure I'm missing a few here. Actually, this would probably make a better BB confrence than the MAC.

Toilet Bowl (Youngstown)

[Blue & Gold]

Your list is as ridiculous as your wacky Zip wig, but I like the fact that PITT was in there... If we build our program right (see my scheduling posts) and MANY years down the road, maybe we should think Pitt, Syracuse, Louisvilie, Cincinnatti, ... can we get to the big money, very questionable now, but it sounds like something the University should at least consider in forward planning. For the foreseable future, critical are the next five years to building a winning tradition... is our AD up to the challenge?

Yep. Pitt, 'Cuse, Louisville & Cincy. I agree; those are exactly the teams we should be playing.

[ziptrumpet87]

Your list is as ridiculous as your wacky Zip wig, but I like the fact that PITT was in there... If we build our program right (see my scheduling posts) and MANY years down the road, maybe we should think Pitt, Syracuse, Louisvilie, Cincinnatti, ... can we get to the big money, very questionable now, but it sounds like something the University should at least consider in forward planning. For the foreseable future, critical are the next five years to building a winning tradition... is our AD up to the challenge?

Yep. Pitt, 'Cuse, Louisville & Cincy. I agree; those are exactly the teams we should be playing.

I'll third that.

[eguins]

The Guins will be playing OOC at Southern Utah this fall...how much will that trip cost and how many fans will they take? (they also have a MVFC league game at South Dakota State) It would make a lot more sense for them to pile in a bus and drive 45 minutes to Akron and play to a full house. They said they won't do it without a home and home but they would probably accept a 2 for 1 and we could just petition the MAC office for an exemption to play at Stambaugh since it's a big rivalry and would help the MAC's overall attendance.

I was bored and thought I'd come out to see what was being discussed here and was stunned to see a 3 page YSU topic.Listen. I want to play you guys whatever it takes, but understand why our AD and many fans are the way we are.1. We played you in the 70-80-90s in a home and home rivalry that was great for the fans. It got huge crowds at Stambaugh and the Rubber Bowl.2. We already got a deal with you to play a home and home for our basketball games. We average more than you in football most years, and you average more than us in basketball most years. We are both Division 1 there and every other sport.3. It's 45 measly minutes away, I like what the above poster said, try to do a 2 for 1 thing in which we go to Infocision twice and you guys come to the Ice Castle once. Honestly could it be that bad for you guys to do that? We can showcase sell out crowds for each stadium and truly show how great this rivalry is!But here's the thing, I understand where you guys stand on this. You do not want to play YSU because it appears to be weak on your schedule, and if God forbid you lost, you could be the laughing stalk of the league. Note: Last year Northern Illinois lost to MVFC Southern Illinois 34-31 and Central Michigan got drilled by MVFC North Dakota State 44-14; and CMU won the MAC West! The MVFC is the former Gateway, which YSU is apart of... [it's the real good basketball conf.] North Dakota State also brought 30,000 into the Metrodome and beat the Gophers 27-21.If you lost to us, which is not as likely as it was in the 90s, it really wouldn't be as bad as in the past to be quite honest with you. You guys may feel embarrassed, but considering over the past 2-3 years 3-4 of the MAC teams have lost to IAA/FCS teams it wouldn't be that bad for you as far as your program stands in the MAC.I just want to play you guys. If we play in basketball and baseball and other sports, there is NO REASON WE SHOULD NOT PLAY IN FOOTBALL! None Whatsoever!

[UA1987]

The Guins will be playing OOC at Southern Utah this fall...how much will that trip cost and how many fans will they take? (they also have a MVFC league game at South Dakota State) It would make a lot more sense for them to pile in a bus and drive 45 minutes to Akron and play to a full house. They said they won't do it without a home and home but they would probably accept a 2 for 1 and we could just petition the MAC office for an exemption to play at Stambaugh since it's a big rivalry and would help the MAC's overall attendance.

I was bored and thought I'd come out to see what was being discussed here and was stunned to see a 3 page YSU topic.Listen. I want to play you guys whatever it takes, but understand why our AD and many fans are the way we are.1. We played you in the 70-80-90s in a home and home rivalry that was great for the fans. It got huge crowds at Stambaugh and the Rubber Bowl.2. We already got a deal with you to play a home and home for our basketball games. We average more than you in football most years, and you average more than us in basketball most years. We are both Division 1 there and every other sport.3. It's 45 measly minutes away, I like what the above poster said, try to do a 2 for 1 thing in which we go to Infocision twice and you guys come to the Ice Castle once. Honestly could it be that bad for you guys to do that? We can showcase sell out crowds for each stadium and truly show how great this rivalry is!But here's the thing, I understand where you guys stand on this. You do not want to play YSU because it appears to be weak on your schedule, and if God forbid you lost, you could be the laughing stalk of the league. Note: Last year Northern Illinois lost to MVFC Southern Illinois 34-31 and Central Michigan got drilled by MVFC North Dakota State 44-14; and CMU won the MAC West! The MVFC is the former Gateway, which YSU is apart of... [it's the real good basketball conf.] North Dakota State also brought 30,000 into the Metrodome and beat the Gophers 27-21.If you lost to us, which is not as likely as it was in the 90s, it really wouldn't be as bad as in the past to be quite honest with you. You guys may feel embarrassed, but considering over the past 2-3 years 3-4 of the MAC teams have lost to IAA/FCS teams it wouldn't be that bad for you as far as your program stands in the MAC.I just want to play you guys. If we play in basketball and baseball and other sports, there is NO REASON WE SHOULD NOT PLAY IN FOOTBALL! None Whatsoever!

I guess we were all waiting for you to chime in... YSU sure, but only in Infocision. This is the price you have to pay for being IAA (FCS), and besides we're the ones with the first class facility. Our offer is there... it's up to your AD to move on it. Petition Strollo.

[ZachTheZip]

Eguins, I was starting to wonder if you would show up. The biggest problem with setting up a series with Youngstown is the MAC's rule of no road games at FCS schools, and your AD won't even consider a series without a return game. If we did it, it would have to be as a member of another conference. I certainly wouldn't mind playing another game within driving distance. It would be a great way to open every season, with a rivalry game that both schools fans can attend, instead of a bodybag game for a paycheck.As for attendance, I doubt Akron will ever trail YSU again for football games.

[eguins]

Eguins, I was starting to wonder if you would show up. The biggest problem with setting up a series with Youngstown is the MAC's rule of no road games at FCS schools, and your AD won't even consider a series without a return game. If we did it, it would have to be as a member of another conference. I certainly wouldn't mind playing another game within driving distance. It would be a great way to open every season, with a rivalry game that both schools fans can attend, instead of a bodybag game for a paycheck.As for attendance, I doubt Akron will ever trail YSU again for football games.

Got a year or two before that can be set in stone haha... then you'll have us beat. But we'll still have Cant beat!And I know about the rule, but like the one poster said, perhaps petition it for just one game here in Youngstown.This is prob the first time in 4-5 months I even read this site... Been following politics.

[Zipsrifle]

Eguins, I was starting to wonder if you would show up. The biggest problem with setting up a series with Youngstown is the MAC's rule of no road games at FCS schools, and your AD won't even consider a series without a return game. If we did it, it would have to be as a member of another conference. I certainly wouldn't mind playing another game within driving distance. It would be a great way to open every season, with a rivalry game that both schools fans can attend, instead of a bodybag game for a paycheck.As for attendance, I doubt Akron will ever trail YSU again for football games.

Got a year or two before that can be set in stone haha... then you'll have us beat. But we'll still have Cant beat!And I know about the rule, but like the one poster said, perhaps petition it for just one game here in Youngstown.This is prob the first time in 4-5 months I even read this site... Been following politics.

Yea, right!Isn't it funny how the topic of this thread ends with "End of Discussion" yet it has spurred even more discussion?

[Captain Kangaroo]

I wonder what the YSU AD would do if Slippery Rock petitioned YSU for a 2-1 series?

[RACER]

i would like to play them again,but only if it's at the new stadium.akron cannot afford to build a new stadium, and have seven away games year in year out.nothing agianst ysu its just with the new stadium we need as many home games as possible.

[eguins]

i would like to play them again,but only if it's at the new stadium.akron cannot afford to build a new stadium, and have seven away games year in year out.nothing agianst ysu its just with the new stadium we need as many home games as possible.

Good luck buying many game with teams that are only at your stadium. Think back over the past decade and think of how many you guys actually had that were not home and home.Again I understand where you are coming from, but we just view it like this.1. We had a home and home when you guys joined the MAC in the 90s.2. We play home and homes in all other sports.3. It would probably sell out in each stadium. We travel very well.----6-7,000 at OSU [max tix allowance] with 2,500 to Appy State, NC and 7,000 to PSU.Of course we were Can't State's highest attended game each year when you guys played them at the Rubber Bowl. There is no doubt we'd bring 10-12,000 people if we could.. We average 17-18,000 per game as it is.

[UA1987]

equins - We don't need YSU for anything. I thought it might be interesting to put YSU on our home schedule because of the history between the teams. Your comments are not helping with renewing that interest. They're only annoying.Go petition Strollo, or whoever your AD is, to sign the contract, which we already have on the table. Else, goodbye to YSU.

[eguins]

We don't need YSU for anything. I thought it might be interesting to put YSU on our home schedule because of the history between the teams. Your comments are not helping with renewing that interest. They're only annoying.Go petition Strollo, or whoever your AD is, to sign the contract, which we already have on the table. Else, goodbye to YSU.

I continually bring up we play in every other sport, I still have yet to hear a reason why we can't in football. Yes I know the MAC rules, but so what. What other team besides Can't on your schedule could bring 10-12,000 fans to Akron for a game? What other team beside Can't Would you guys actually travel heavily to?Strollo is all for it, but he is behind the YSU fans and their belief it should be a 2 for 1 deal. But I recognize that won't happen. Honestly is their much of a difference between the programs of 94 and 08? You guys aren't winning 1-3 games a year, now 4-6 games a year. YSU is right on pace with the 90s and 7-9 wins a year.PS: I also forgot to mention Northern Iowa of the MVFC beat Iowa State last year. So considering the circumstances, the MVFC had 4 wins against I-A Competition last year.... Not bad!

[UA1987]

We don't need YSU for anything. I thought it might be interesting to put YSU on our home schedule because of the history between the teams. Your comments are not helping with renewing that interest. They're only annoying.Go petition Strollo, or whoever your AD is, to sign the contract, which we already have on the table. Else, goodbye to YSU.

I continually bring up we play in every other sport, I still have yet to hear a reason why we can't in football. Yes I know the MAC rules, but so what. What other team besides Can't on your schedule could bring 10-12,000 fans to Akron for a game? What other team beside Can't Would you guys actually travel heavily to?Strollo is all for it, but he is behind the YSU fans and their belief it should be a 2 for 1 deal. But I recognize that won't happen. Honestly is their much of a difference between the programs of 94 and 08? You guys aren't winning 1-3 games a year, now 4-6 games a year. YSU is right on pace with the 90s and 7-9 wins a year.PS: I also forgot to mention Northern Iowa of the MVFC beat Iowa State last year. So considering the circumstances, the MVFC had 4 wins against I-A Competition last year.... Not bad!

Why Akron should only play YSU at home in football:1) Infocision - 1st class facility; ice castle - slum 2) Revenue - Football Bowl Division has some nice post season payoffs... why risk bad calls on a foreign field that could alter the outcome with an opponent from a lower division (I remember one of those in Youngstown in the 1990's - Faust sat outside the Refs doors for an hour to confront them). 3) Our home and home strategy is geared towards building Football Bowl Series (YSU not a member) conference affiliations, rivaries, and gate. I'm sure this board can think up more for you Kenny (I can't help hearing Kenny Bania's voice in you posts - Killer, Jerry, Killer - Seinfeld), but I got to get back to work. We have jobs here in Akron.

[eguins]

I added a post on my YSU blog, which I just renovated. It used to be a forum and full website, but I got sick of maintaining it so I decided to make it a blog the other day. Comments welcome and appreciated!LINK: Should the YSU - Akron Rivalry be Renewed?

[Dr Z]

LINK: Should the YSU - Akron Rivalry be Renewed?

[Zipsrifle]

Hmmmmm......CK, I think your post is backfiring.

[ZippyRulz]

I added a post on my YSU blog, which I just renovated. It used to be a forum and full website, but I got sick of maintaining it so I decided to make it a blog the other day. Comments welcome and appreciated!LINK: Should the YSU - Akron Rivalry be Renewed?

the blog is a nice format but I don't think many people are going to want to supply their name & email address in order to comment...is that really required?

[eguins]

I added a post on my YSU blog, which I just renovated. It used to be a forum and full website, but I got sick of maintaining it so I decided to make it a blog the other day. Comments welcome and appreciated!LINK: Should the YSU - Akron Rivalry be Renewed?

the blog is a nice format but I don't think many people are going to want to supply their name & email address in order to comment...is that really required?

You must've never been to a blog then.The name could be your name on this site or your real name it makes no difference. The email address can only be seen by me, and I'd have no reason to email you anyways.EVERY blog either requires you to register for an account, and if you do not want to do that, simply post a name/screename and your email.EDIT TO ADD:2009 BASKETBALL GAME:Jan. 26 AKRON Beeghly Center 7:05 p.m.