johnnyzip84 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Link (takes a while to load) Former Arizona Wildcats All-American safety Tony Bouie had an NFL career. He went back to school to get a master’s degree. He started his own business. He ran twice, unsuccessfully, for statewide office. He has survived stage-four lymphoma. And now, at age 38, he’s trying to reinvent himself again. He’s going into coaching. Bouie has accepted a graduate assistant’s position at the University of Akron, working for head coach Rob Ianello, who will be entering his second season. Ianello is a former Arizona assistant coach whose time in Tucson overlapped Bouie’s playing days for the 1994 season. “This is my path,” Bouie said of coaching. “After surviving cancer, I decided that I was couldn’t do things in life that didn’t matter. That’s why I ran for office, because I thought I could make a difference. That experience was great. … “As I look back at all those guys who coached me and formed me as a young adult, I think it’s a great way to give back. With my playing experience in the NFL and college, I think I can give back as a coach and mentor.” Bouie, who lives in Anthem north of Phoenix, said he expects to leave this week for Akron. He will be helping coach the secondary, working under defensive coordinator Curt Mallory and working with a friend — linebackers coach Charlie Camp, who played the position at Arizona from 1991 to 1995. “I think it’s a great situation for me with a head coach that I know, and I was out there for a week and I hit it off with Curt Mallory,” Bouie said. “I feel good about it.” Akron went 1-11 in Ianello’s first season as a head coach, avoiding a winless season by beating Buffalo in the finale. Ianello was known as an ace recruiter at all his stops as an assistant coach, so perhaps he just needs a couple of years to get things going. The Zips haven’t had a winning record since 2005 and haven’t won eight games in a season since 1985. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Great news! I can't believe I got something I asked for?!? Thank you Mr Ianello. Wiki page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 "Ianello was known as an ace recruiter at all his stops as an assistant coach, so perhaps he just needs a couple of years to get things going." I wonder about this statement... Other than that, I like this addition to the staff. Our secondary needs all the help it can get. I believe his Twitter account is @TonyVBouie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 A former NFL player as a grad assistant seems like a coup? I wonder what classes he's going to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 We had a former NFL DB as a graduate assistant and then position coach under Brookhart... it didn't do much. Great former players often don't make great coaches... it's two completely different skill sets. See Mike Singletary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Great former players often don't make great coaches.And a lot of times they do. Here are just four examples (guess what they have in common): Jon Hoke played in the NFL and now coaches the Bears secondary Darren Perry played in the NFL and now coaches the Packers secondary Ray Horton played in the NFL and now coaches the Steelers secondary Dennis Thurman played in the NFL and now coaches the Jets secondary One of these guys will win a Super Bowl. Tony Bouie (far right) will help the Zips be a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The Bears secondary is atrocious. The Steelers secondary, even with Polamalu, is the glaring weakness of that defense. The Jets secondary has the two best corners in the league, and still can't crack the top 5 in pass defense. The Packers secondary is solid. Outside of Darren Perry of the Packers, I don't think you can make the case that any of those guys have made the secondary any better than it would be without them. You can find a lot of former NFL players as coaches, but that doesn't mean that having been an NFL player somehow makes you a great coach or a better coach than someone who didn't play. There's more of a respect given from the players for former players, but that doesn't always translate into success. Look at the head coaches of the four teams left in the NFL playoffs. None of them were NFL players. Two of them weren't even college players. Bouie may turn out to be a great coach, but it will have nothing to do with the fact that he played in the NFL if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm not sure what your arguing? Can you help me? Please fill in the following sentence "With the hiring of Tony Bouie, the Zips secondary will be ________" My answer is: "better" PS Fascinating that all those secondary's that you think "stink" in the NFL are in the top 9 in total defense in the NFL. PSS You think Cromartie is a better DB than Asomugha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 No, the answer is TBD. TO BE DETERMINED. My argument is that a guy being a former NFL player has no effect whatsoever on his coaching abilities. I thought the point was pretty obvious. Tony Bouie could help us or hurt us. Most likely, having never coached in his life, he will make no real difference. This is just a favor from Ianello to a former player who wants to get into coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 PS Fascinating that all those secondary's that you think "stink" in the NFL are in the top 9 in total defense in the NFL. PSS You think Cromartie is a better DB than Asomugha? The only one I said stunk was the Bears. They are 20th in the leauge in pass defense. The Steelers are a great defense because they give up only 60 yards a game on the ground. They are 12th in the league in pass defense, which isn't bad, but isn't earth shattering, especially given that they have perhaps the best player in the NFL playing in their secondary along with a guy who's supposed to be a shutdown corner. When I said the Jets have the two best corners in the league, I meant the two best corners who are paired together. I'm not saying that those secondaries suck because of the coaches. I'm just saying outside of Darren Perry, I don't think any of those guys have had such an effect on the secondary that they're any better than they would be if any other average DBs coach who didn't play was coaching them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You do realize, nobody was in this position last year. We had no person that focused on the secondary. Our defensive coordinator was also in charge of the secondary, we now have somebody that can focus with this group. NFL teams are even hiring secondary assistants, that's how Darren Perry started his coaching career. I'm excited about the hiring after watching our secondary last season. What we were doing was not working, I'm glad there was a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Was our secondary really that much better for having Emmanuel McDaniel coaching it? He played 7 NFL seasons, Bouie played 4. Bouie probably will be a great secondary coach one day, but not because he's a former NFL player.... but rather because he's a Republican . He understands the correlation between hard work and success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You do realize, nobody was in this position last year. We had no person that focused on the secondary. Our defensive coordinator was also in charge of the secondary, we now have somebody that can focus with this group. NFL teams are even hiring secondary assistants, that's how Darren Perry started his coaching career. I'm excited about the hiring after watching our secondary last season. What we were doing was not working, I'm glad there was a change. I agree that we needed help in the secondary. I'm just saying that the fact that he's a former player is nothing to really be excited about. It's just good that we have a coach in here now and hopefully he brings something to the table for us. With no coaching experience however, that's not likely for this season at least. I would've felt better about an experienced coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Was our secondary really that much better for having Emmanuel McDaniel coaching it?Yes. Better. That's what I hope our secondary is next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The Steelers are a great defense because they give up only 60 yards a game on the ground. They are 12th in the league in pass defense, which isn't bad, but isn't earth shattering, especially given that they have perhaps the best player in the NFL playing in their secondary along with a guy who's supposed to be a shutdown corner. What makes the Steelers a great defense is they don't give up the big play and they play better as the game moves forward. They do the same thing on offense. They had 20 TDs scored on them this year and 26 FGs. In the modern game, I'll give up fieldgoals all afternoon. You are right, 12th isn't all that great for a pass defense. Teams move the ball on the Steelers through the air. I'm OK with that part of it because it is a passing league now and teams are good at moving the ball some. The Steelers don't give up a lot of TDs and they force fieldgoals when/if teams get in the red zone. The 60 yards per game on the ground does not matter as it is no longer a running league. In the end, all the Steelers defense has to do is keep the team in the game so Ben can win it in the end. I have a good feeling about this week. NY playing their third game on the road in a row on the road..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Teams move the ball on the Steelers through the air.Since their rush defense was one of the best in league history, I would guess their secondary would be challenged more than most. The Jets (106 yrds) were actually the most successful running the ball against the Steelers this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 The Steelers secondary, even with Polamalu, is the glaring weakness of that defense.Steelers DB's held Jets receivers Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards to only four catches in a Championship game with a hobbled and somewhat ineffective Polamalu. Secondary coach Ray Horton is in line to be interview for the Arizona Cardinals DC position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 The Cardinals aren't going to hire Ray Horton. It will either be the Steelers LB's coach or Kevin Greene from the Packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Dr Z' date='Jan 26 2011, 09:44 AM' post='135042' Steelers DB's held Jets receivers Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards to only four catches in a Championship game with a hobbled and somewhat ineffective Polamalu. My biggest concern about the Super Bowl is Rogers playing in a dome on a fake field. Lots of good passing games have trouble in cold weather and last weekend was an example. The Steelers, Packers, Bears and Jets all have better passing attacks than what they showed last Sunday. The last time the Steelers played the Packers, Rogers had something like 360 passing yards. If he does that next weekend, they beat the Steelers going away. The Steelers defense is too old to be on the field very long getting exhausted by a good passing attack. They were really tired at the end of the game last week and I was worried that if Ben doesn't pass for a first down, NY would have marched down the field on them and scored. However, Ben being the winner he is didn't let that happen. I have no "feel" for this game which makes me really excited. It isn't very often that the outcome of an NFL game isn't realtively predictable. Anything can happen next week. It's going to be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The Cardinals aren't going to hire Ray Horton. It will either be the Steelers LB's coach or Kevin Greene from the Packers. Horton Hears Who will be next Cardinal DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The Cardinals aren't going to hire Ray Horton. It will either be the Steelers LB's coach or Kevin Greene from the Packers. Horton Hears Who will be next Cardinal DC. Steelers blocked their LB's coach from interviewing for the job. I guess Horton was the second choice, though after the performance of the Steelers secondary in the Super Bowl I'm not sure why. I didn't see the Steelers blocking one of their assistants from moving up. Kind of a low blow to that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Steelers blocked their LB's coach from interviewing for the job. I guess Horton was the second choice, though after the performance of the Steelers secondary in the Super Bowl I'm not sure why. I didn't see the Steelers blocking one of their assistants from moving up. Kind of a low blow to that guy.Butler interviewed and was offered the Dolphins defensive coordinator last year and turned it down. So "blocking" may not be the proper term. Mr Rooney paid Butler more money to stay. Butler is thought to be the eventual replacement for Mr LeBeau Article before the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The Cardinals aren't going to hire Ray Horton. It will either be the Steelers LB's coach or Kevin Greene from the Packers. Horton Hears Who will be next Cardinal DC. He sold his Mercedes to a cafeteria worker for $20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Horton interviews for head coaching job with Browns, Bills & Cardinals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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