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=>The person at Miami who is in charge of Alumni gatherings said that Miami is not in the running for the GMAC Bowl. In fact, the deal is if Miami beat Toledo, Miami goes to the MCB. If Toledo wins, Miami goes to the SVB. On the MAC BBS, a Toledo poster wrote that if Toledo would beat Miami they go to MCB and to SVB if they lose. The exact quote from "FredJay": Putting 2 & 2 together, it would appear that is it basically in place that the MAC Champ goes to the MAC Bowl and runnerup to SVB. I am guessing BUGS is a lock for GMAC Bowl. As for Akron's bowl hopes, I would be HUGE L'ville and MSU Spartan fans if I were y'all! ****** Relevant MAC BBS Thread "Motor CIty Bowl Taking MAC Champ?" http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/invision...=ST&f=1&t=16322

=>MAC West has 100% of the 1st team offense and 9 of the 13 1st team defense. MAC West has the majority of 2nd rounders as well. I never knew the Michigan directionals were so much better at offense than Miami.

=>You need Hawaii to lose to Michigan State now to keep Hawaii from becoming bowl eligible. If Hawaii & Tulane lose, Zips are in mathmatically.

=>NW loses 49-41 to the Rainbows.

=>So. Miss is bowl eligible with a 6-4 record. A loss to Cal still puts them at 6-5. Date Opponent Time/Result Audio/Video Sat, Sep 11 at Nebraska W 21-17 Audio Thu, Sep 16 (4) California Ppd. -- Sat, Sep 25 at Tulane W 32-14 Audio Sat, Oct 2 at South Florida W 27-20 Audio Thu, Oct 7 Houston W 35-29 Audio Sat, Oct 16 at Alabama L 3-27 Audio Sat, Oct 23 East Carolina W 51-10 Audio Sat, Nov 6 Cincinnati L 24-52 Audio Fri, Nov 12 at Memphis L 26-30 Audio Sat, Nov 20 at TCU L 17-42 Audio Sat, Nov 27 UAB W 26-21 Audio

=>56 teams now eligible (not counting S. Carolina and Clemson). This means all bowls will be played. Only 3 teams on the bubble: 5-5 Tulane (hosts L'ville) 6-5 Northwestern (@ Hawaii) 5-5 Hawaii (hosts Northwestern and Michigan St. and must win both) Loser of N'western/Hawaii game knocked out. ****** MAC can do no worse than 4 bowl teams (as no more than 58 teams can be bowl eligible for 56 spots). Root for Hawaii to beat N'western and then lose to Michigan St. then all 6 MAC teams go to a bowl. Also root for Tulane to lose to L'ville.

=>The way I see it: ACC-6# Big East-4 (5-5 Syracuse at BC)—will get 4 Big Ten-6 (6-5 N’western at Hawaiil)—will get 7 Big 12-7 (5-5 Nebraska H. vs. Colorado)—will get 8 CUSA-4 (5-4 So. Miss H. vs. UAB, at Cal/5-5 TCU v. Tulane/4-5 SFU H. vs. Memphis, H. vs. Pitt/4-5 Tulane at TCU, H. vs. L’ville)—will get 5 MAC-6 MWC-3 PAC 10-5 SEC-6 (5-5 Arkansas H. vs. LSU )—will get 6# Sun Belt-2 WAC-3 (5-5 Hawaii H. v. N’western, H. v. Mich. St.)—will get 3 Indys-2 # 6-5 Clemson and 6-5 S. Carolina pulled out of bowl contention due to fights 56 Bowl Spots: Currently 54 bowl eligible teams (56 if would have counted Clemson and S.Carolina) 9 teams on bowl bubble (i.e. not eligible, but mathmatically can become eligible) I project 3 bubble teams will become eligible (N’western, Nebraska, and TCU). I project there will by 57 bowl eligible teams (59 if count Clemson and S. Carolina) for the 56 bowl spots.

=>Bet there will be more in the Rubber Bowl than at Joan today.

=>In Terry Hoeppner's will, he asked to be buried at mid-field of the Rubber Bowl. Why? well... Because he wanted to be buried as far away from football as possible!!!!

=>V-Tech now mathmatically eliminates Maryland from a bowl. This helps a MAC team get an at-large bowl. ****** I just did a breakdown of bowl eligible teams and non-eligible teams that are mathmatically possible of getting 6 wins. There are 49 bowl eligible teams. I project (based on my prediction of each game of the bubble teams) that there will be 60 bowl eligible teams leaving two teams out. The MAC will have six with Marshall beating WMU. Even if the 2 odd teams out are from the MAC, 4 MAC teams will go bowling. Breakdown by league (Eligible/will be eligible) B12-7 (Colorado, Okie, Texas, TA&M, Okie St., T-Tech/Iowa St) CUSA-5 (UofL, UAB, Memphis/S. Miss., sUCks)' MAC-6 (NIU, MUr, Akr, BUGS, UT/MUg) ACC-6 (VT, FSU, Miami-FLORIDA, Va, G-Tech/UNC) Big East-4 (WVU, BC, Pitt/UConn) B10-8 (Mich, Wisc, Iowa, tOSU, Purwho, Minn/Mich St, NW) MWC-3 (Utah, N. Mex, Wyoming) PAC 10-5 (USC, Cal, ASU, UCLA/winner of Oregon v. Oregon St.) SEC-7 (Tenn, Ga, Fla, S.Car. Aub, LSU, Bama) Sun Belt-3 (N. Texas, Troy/N. Mex. St.) WAC-4 (Boise, UTEP, FresNO/La Tech) Inde-2 (Navy, ND) ****** The Miami-Akron loser is probally battling Marshall, Troy, and New Mexico St. for the final 2 bowl spots.

After the 3rd overtime period you are forced to go for 2 points on TD's. There are no more ties in football...just like there's no crying in baseball. I maintain: You gotta get out of Mahoning County. =>Actually, it is after 2 OT's, not 3, that you must go for two. WMU and CMU went to 5 OT's this year I believe. The record is 7. There are no ties unless an act of God or something stops the game. But if there was to be a tie, Miami should get to go to the MACC on principle!

=>Only MAC Champ is assured a bowl. It could be either GMAC or MCB. MAC Champ does not have to go to any particular bowl.

=>Chuck Landon actually has something interesting to say... http://dailymail.com/news/MU+Sports/2004111620/ I hate to say it, but it is really worth the read in discussing the landscape of college football bowls. Akron or Marshall? If only 57 bowl eligible teams, who goes bowling if Miami beats Akron and the Herd beat WMU?

=>USA Today on MAC-SV... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/foo...on-valley_x.htm

=>More bowl talk from someone who apparently talked to the MAC admin... http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/invision...=ST&f=1&t=15600

=>I would agree with you before today that Akron had to win out. Although I doubt Marshall or Miami would get it Akron. Akron would have lost out to BUGS, which in all honesty, is more deserving than any team from the East. Now that the MAC has found a bowl for BUGS, I am certain both teams in the MACC will go bowling.

=>COMPARATIVE SCORES VS. COMMON OPPONENTS TEAM MIAMI/ AKRON Ohio: H 40-20/ @ 31-19 Marshall: @ 25-33/ H 31-28 Can't: H 47-27/ @ 24-19 Buffalo: @ 25-7/ H-44-21 UCF: H 43-7/ @ 26-21 TOTALS: 180-94 (4-1), 3-H, 2-@/ 156-108 (5-0), 2-H, 3-@ AVERAGE SCORE VS. COMMON OPPONENTS Miami: 36-18.8 (+17.2) Akron: 31.2-21.6 (+9.6)

=>Almost assures that the Miami-Akron winner will go to a bowl. I was concerned that BUGS would get the 2nd MAC bowl spot if the East Champ loses in the MAC Championship Game. Now, with BUGS likely having a spot out west, the MAC finalists will both go bowling. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...60386/-1/SPORTS

=>What kind of team is Akron supposed to have next year with Frye gone? If BSU is to move to the East, Akron and Can't losing their star QB's, Ohio rebuilding, and Buffalo being Buffalo, I did not think anyone could beat Miami next season given the Redhawks lose very little. Given that this is supposed to be a rebuilding year for Miami, I am quite happy with the season win or lose Saturday.

=>MAC well represented. Per CBS Sportsline.... http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/playerrankings

=>Much of Can't's numbers have jumped after destroying UB (42-16), Ohio (33-7), and EMU (69-17!!!) these past three weeks.

=>Do you really need motivation besides the league title to get fired up to play us?

=>MAC TEAM STATS MAC SCORING OFFENSE: 1. BUGS 42.286ppg 2. NIU 38.426 3. Toledo 38.427 4. Miami 35 5. EMU 33.286 6. Can't 32.571 7. Akron 30 8. Marshall 29.571 9. Ball St. 23.857 10. WMU 22.571 -- CMU 22.571 12. Buffalo 20.875 13. Ohio 18.5 14. UCF 16 MAC SCORING DEFENSE 1. Miami 18.714 -- BUGS 18.714 3. Toledo 22 4. Marshall 22.714 5. Can't 23.143 6. NIU 24.857 7. Akron 25.714 8. Ohio 27.125 9. UCF 29.286 10. Buffalo 30.875 11. BSU 34 12. CMU 35.143 13. EMU 42.714 14. WMU 44.571 MAC VICTORY MARGIN 1. BUGS 24.1ppg 2. Miami 16.286 3. Toledo 14.851 4. NIU 13.571ppg 5. Can't 9.429 6. Marshall 6.857 7. Akron 4.286 8. Ohio –8.625 9. EMU –9.429 10. Buffalo –10 11. BSU -10.143 12. CMU –12.571 13. UCF –13.286 14. WMU –22 ****** OVERALL SCORING OFFENSE 1. BUGS 43.9ppg 2. NIU 35.25 3. Toledo 33.8 4. Miami 33 5. EMU 31.2 6. Can't 29.4 7. Marshall 25.6 8. Akron 23.4 9. WMU 22.7 10. CMU 21.9 11. Ohio 20.091 12. Buffalo 19.7 13. BUGS 18.5 14. UCF 15.1 OVERALL SCORING DEFENSE 1. BUGS 19.8ppg 2. Marshall 21.3 3. Miami 21.9 4. Can't 24 5. Ohio 24.636 6. NIU 26.7 7. Toledo 29.7 8. Akron 31 9. UCF 32.1 10. Buffalo 32.2 11. CMU 33.8 12. Ball St. 36.4 13. EMU 42.4 14. WMU 42.5 OVERALL VICTORY MARGIN 1. BUGS 24.1ppg 2. Miami 11.1 3. NIU 8.6 4. Can't 5.4 5. Toledo 4.1 6. Marshall 3.5 7. Toledo 4.25 8. Ohio –4.545 9. Akron –7.6 10. EMU –11.2  CMU –11.2 12. Buffalo –12.5 13. UCF –17 14. WMU –19.8 _________________ MAC LEAGUE/DIVISION STATS MAC SCORING OFFENSE EAST 25.51ppg WEST 31.714 MAC OVERALL 28.56 MAC SCORING DEFENSE EAST 25.303ppg WEST 30.258ppg MAC OVERALL 28.55 MAC VICTORY MARGIN EAST .314ppg WEST -306 MAC OVERALL 0.01 (should be 0) OVERALL SCORING OFFENSE EAST 23.563ppg WEST 29.614 MAC OVERALL 26.567 OVERALL SCORING DEFENSE EAST 26.704 WEST 33.043 MAC OVERALL 29.851 OVERALL VICTORY MARGIN EAST -3.141 WEST -3.429 MAC OVERALL -3.284 ****** Sagarin Predictor #91 Miami: 67.44 (#80 of predictor) #119 Akron 57.97 (#128 of predictor) Miami by 9.47 on neutral field Home team advantage: 3.54 Miami by 5.93 @ Akron ****** Betonsports.com has Miami 8 point favorite

=>You are wrong so I will correct you. Akron v. Miami is for East title. Toledo v. BUGS is not necessarily for the West title. If Toledo wins, Toledo wins the West. If BUGS wins, BUGS is West Champ only if NIU loses @ EMU (which just lost 69-17 to Can't). If BUGS and NIU both win, NIU wins the West.

=>From Cincy Enquirer... http://www.cincypost.com/2004/11/11/collfo...11-11-2004.html