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+1 Having lived in both cities growing up, I'm quite content to live squarely between the two now and reap the benefits and enjoy what both have to offer. This is a non-starter for me. Not sure at all how it can be productive to fan flames of discontent that may or may not even exist. Go Zips.

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Welcome aboard. Even if its from down in Carolina, we are glad to find more knowledgeable discussion of the Beautiful Game on ZN.o. And I guess since we let your neighbor, The Great GP1 expound his vast libertarian worldviews, we have to let you try and balance the image of the Win-Sal area. Don't be shy come August-Dec. We need news from the ACC, and I for one would like to have some of the talk move from BigSoccer board to ZN.o +1 What he said.

I agree with the concept that building facilities will not rescue the economy. It may prop up some construction jobs for a while, but that alone doesn't impact the entire economy. I do however think that venues that can support dozens upon dozens of dates have some merit in investment. The Q & Convention center could fall into the favorable category in my mind. IIRC all the work at Playhouse Square was done largely without direct government financing (ie city or county tax revenue). If you build or renovate these facilities and are able to book them for more than 3 solid dates a WEEK .. then they have the opportunity to positively impact the community. Getting that many dates filled is the great unknown w/ the Convention Center. Seems to me the Q is pretty well utilized. The CBS holds maybe 12 events a year. Not good enough. Someone here beats the drum about using the Info for anything and everything possible. I think he / she is correct. Go Zips!

I like the idea. It would probably only add about a week to the tournament. It will, of course never happen. My perspective on this is that every team right now has an opportunity to win the title. No team is really frozen out from that goal by anything other than what they do on the court. Nearly all conferences have a post season tournament (is the Ivy the only holdout now?). So sometime around the first of March, every team is 0-0 with a chance to win their next game and advance. The inequity exists in the 32 or so big conference teams that get to play the thing as a double elimination tournament. Those teams have an advantage. I say make the tournament equal to the number of unique regular season and conference tournament champions. You want to play in the big Dance? Win your league. It would give all the tournaments the same urgency as the MAC Tourney currently has. Win or go home. They become as compelling and energized as the NCAA itself. These play in games aren't going to matter to us Zips fans, as we're embarking on an unprecedented string of consecutive tourney titles beginning this spring. Go Zips!

Never thought of it that way before... Another way to look at it is, the Heat could be taking tourism dollars from other Miami businesses....mom and pop type places that are not owned by millionaire NBA owners. Miami is already a tourist destination so the potential for fans was already there, people just decided to spend their money elsewhere. It isn't like you can fly to Miami for a week and take in a basketball game every night. You might get to go to one because the NBA doesn't play that often. What about the other 300+ days a year? You might also get to see the Heat play in your home town if you wanted in lieu of going to Miami. Even the cost of a ticket through a broker would probably cost less than a plane ticket, hotel, meals, rental car, etc on a trip to Miami. Would anyone still like to say LBJ leaving is going to destroy the City of Cleveland or have we all moved on to LBJ explaining the origins of the universe? The City of Cleveland will destroy itself long before any basketball player could (see video above). The universe will end before a basketball player could destroy the City of Cleveland. We only need to look at a recent history of C-Town to see that the Great GP1 is on target here. When the Browns left town, handwringing abounded about things like restaurants & bars etc suffering because there was no bad footba ... er .. NFL team in town. After some deep breaths, greater Clevelander figured out that there was other things to do in town. It wasn't a one trick town. And they spent that money elsewhere .. in the city. The Tribe, buoyed by having a solid product on the field, absorbed much of it .. and Playhouse Square boomed. Attendance at PS events may not have been higher than between 95 and '00. And growth in playhouse square helped actually draw out of town visitors to the area. I think the concept that it's just local money being moved around is an important one. The Cavs are still here .. still have 14k+ season ticket holders, and so I don't expect East 4th or the surrounding area to suddenly dry up and disappear. Flannery's was there long before LeBron. Lola and many of those restaurants aren't really drawing pre-game basketball diners anyway. Due to the commitment of Dan Gilbert to not have his investment drop any more in value than it may have already .. you can count on him working to maintain an entertaining an competitive team. If he's successful in that (read: doesn't need to win a title to be successful) .. the LBJ impact will be minimal. There's still probably going to be 150+ events at the Q each year. LBJ played a hand in about 50 of them a year. My wife's biggest pet peeve in this whole thing is all this "woe is us!" .. "does our city really suck?" BS that is swirling around. The PD might be the biggest enabler of this by deciding they need to document the 100 good things about living in this area. Ticks me off too. There's PLENTY to do .. it's cost effective to live here .. and its easy as heck to get around. Plus you're anywhere east of the Mississippi non-stop .. and most anywhere in the world with one stop. Within 30 minutes of leaving my driveway, I can be in a seat in the JAR, the Info, the Jake, CBS, Severance Hall, the Civic Theatre, Playhouse Square, Luigi's, Tommy's, Nightown or any dozens of other worthwhile events or dining establishments. 30 minutes. There's enough options that I don't get to do all of these things every year .. I just don't get to them. But I like that I have the options and I spend money to support the ones I like. Even being a big hoops fan, the Cavs haven't been one of those recipients in a long time. Can things be improved, absolutely .. and I think the OP links above are worthwhile. CPS especially needs new ideas and attention. Good things will come out of addressing that need. But one rich basketball player leaving town doesn't make me doubt why I live here and like it. If he can't recognize the benefits for what they were .. or choses to prioritize differently, fine. Frankly, I feel good knowing our priorities don't align. Regardless, it doesn't change the strengths and opportunities that exist here. Go Zips!

Still a deep & pretty experienced roster. Gut reaction today: PG: Abreu SG: McNees SF: B. McKnight PF: Nikola C: Zeke Second Team: PG: McNees / Roberts SG: Roberts / McClanahan SF: Diggs / Egner / Green PF: Euton C: Bardo Assuming that Abreu takes the starting PG job from Steve, I think that Steve moves over to be a SG. However, due to the depth issue, I think this is a situation where the substitutions will be done in a way that there's minimal minutes where both Abreu and McNees are sitting. So when Abreu sits, McNees moves over. Foul trouble and injuries in the back court may push Roberts into emergency PG duties at times. The attrition at the PG spot this off season could be an issue.

My problem, as I stated in my post, is that you need to consider that kids read this forum, and choose your language carefully. I have NO issue with the topic you started .. it's perfectly relevant. I do have issue with vulgarity and off color language that may be inappropriate for some readers. That's it. You're old enough and creative enough to make your point and further your pertinent argument without resorting to some of your favorite terms. Go Zips!

Good question or not, STZ needs to recall this is an open forum in mixed company and clean his future posts up or be asked to refrain from posting for a few days. I've modified some objectionable language at the request of multiple users. Please use discretion STZ.

Interesting concept. We are Akronites above all. Screw Cleveland. Screw Ohio. Screw the rest of the world except people from those areas we deem to be special. But why not take it further? There are good and bad areas of Akron, so let's gerrymander the bad areas out and only pull for people from the designated good areas. Of course MY neighborhood is the best, so put it at the top of the list. You don't think so? Screw you. Or how about further yet. Some of the people in my neighborhood are jerks, so exclude them. I'll make a list of people from acceptable properties, and screw the rest. Or we can get really extreme. Some of the people who live in my house are jerks, so we'll exclude them. I'll make a list of acceptable family members, and screw the rest. Sounds like the kind of elitist attitude that would make a great ESPN special on how to separate royalty from peasants. Or maybe we can outdo ESPN right here on ZN.O. Dave, I think you're on to something here. Starting tomorrow, all IP's from Cuyahoga Falls will be blocked, as those Black Tiger fans aren't worthy of joining the Zips discussions. Go Bulldogs.

yes no offense to the person who put forth the effort, but I could do a better photoshop then that. The text's perspective is off badly Show us.

This is what players who leave it all on the floor for their team look like. That's what a championship win @ Quicken Loans arena looks like.

Hey Padre! Thanks for the comment & info. Good to hear from someone who's been through it. My concern isn't as much that injuries will happen at the YF level .. but moreso that if the leagues aren't controlling things tightly enough, that bad habits would develop. These bad habits regarding helmet hits might not create injuries at the pee wee level .. but would translate to injuries in HS & college. Perhaps I'm concerned for nothing. We all have instincts in hoops about dribbling when walking with the ball .. FB players need to have those same instincts when it comes to hitting. Little Watcher is more coordinated @ 5 than I was when I was 20 .. mother's genes. And he loves FB .. so I'm sure I'll have to navigate this eventually. Go Zips!

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What he said.

LBJ leaving Cleveland doesn't come close to the trainwrecks that were The Fumble, Drive and Shot. Or even the way in which the Marlins won. The Cavs made the finals once with LBJ and they were run out of the gym in four games. I'm convinced that if the fumble doesn't happen and the drive doesn't happen, but Browns win the Super Bowl or at least had a better shot at winning than the Cavs did in the finals. For those of you too young to remember, the Browns were as good those two years as the 49ers were with Montana. They had it all going on. The Indians were on the edge of winning the World Series and blew it. The Cavs were just as good the year of the Shot if not better than the current Cavs team. LBJ leaving doesn't measure up to these disasters. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. The Cavs can win without LBJ. The economy of Cleveland is not going to get any worse because LBJ is leaving. The economy of Cleveland is not going to fold because some factory in China is now making Miami jerseys in lieu of Cavs jerseys. The economy of cleveland is not going to fold because a couple less parking attendants are not working. It is all such nonsense. +1 I agree with this pretty much. It's been an opinion of mine that the 91-92 Cavs team would have thumped these recent 2 teams. Mostly because of talent and basketball dilution in Vince McMahan ... er .. David Sterns NBA. And the effect on the economy that the sports writers have been talking about is overblown. After all, it's not like Michael Symon is leaving town or something important. Go Zips.

The Great GP1 needn't worry, I'm working on a 2010-11 roster breakdown and analysis for the only NEO hoops team with a recent title. Should be ready sometime next week. No charge for the optimism. Go Zips.

When that game appeared out of reach late in the 2nd half, it was Linhart & C. McKnight that willed the Zips back into the game. Humpty's heroics were great plays .. but they have no impact on the result of the game if Nate & Chris don't pull the Zips back into it. Go Zips!

+1 The game he had at BG that year might have been the best single game performance by a Zips FB player that I've witnessed in person. He was the difference maker that year.

Those 2008 guys built the foundation that made 2008-09 possible. They did a bunch of the heavy lifting. Nate showed the Zips what it was like to have the will to win. It will be interesting to see which guy on the current roster emerges to keep the Zips on that trajectory and get them back to the NCAA. McNees clearly has the will to win. Nik has the energy and emotion required .. can they pull it together. The talent is here. I wonder how the open gyms are going this summer with the revamped roster. What's happening now has a big impact on the 2nd Saturday in March. Go Zips!

Cavs are still a playoff team with little or no additions without Lebron. The East is that bad. Basically, the Cavs are the Washington Wizards without Lebron. Jamison, Williams, Hickson & the others will string together about 43 wins and be the 8 seed. The attendance won't suffer much because the season ticket base is already renewed & strong. It won't be sold out, but this won't be Stepien era crowds. I won't put it past Gilbert to get in front of this before the end of the weekend with a clear concise plan for how to restructure the roster in the next 2 or 3 years to contend for a title. One benefit of the Ferry approach has been that they DON'T have too many long term contract anchors. They're a player in free agency in the next offseason, and I think you'll see them take a Dumars approach to building a solid team, rather than hinging on one stud player. Jamison isn't a bad start. They'll use 2010-11 to find out what they have in Hickson and Green, and then go from there. I think the decimation of the Cavs is a bit overstated. Gilbert isn't going to let his franchise go down the tubes without a fight. Go Zips!

No argument about the contributions and talent of the guys you listed. Of course the "post 2008" guys are the ones that had the most important 4 game winning streak in Zips history. Go Zips!

The real question in my mind is, can we get Big Dog on national TV to "represent NEOH" and cry like a child if LBJ leaves?

Under Coach Dambrot (6 seasons?), what are the Zips top 2 OOC victories? Florida State. Temple. Mississippi St. All on the road.