g-mann17

I know sarcasm, but... Some people need to get their butt to the Winking Lizard tonight and make a stink. You have an open forum there and could easily voice your opinion of Ianello.

We had our chance to pick that guy 2 years ago, and TW picked the guy who's turned out to be the worst coach in D-1A football. I see no way that any replacement of Ianello will be better than Ianello. I've said this before and I'll say it again -- Proenza isn't a Football Guy. He has no clue about football, other than knowledge that a good football team can enhance the college experience, and get alumni back on campus. But I would be shocked if he even knows the yardage required for a first down on 1st and 10 (Answer -- "10"). As far as selecting coaches...he entrusted that decision 100% to Wistercill. And, ignoring every other candidate in the nation, he picked his buddy from Wisconsin. And here we are. Down 30-3 to Buffalo at the half. Down 49-0 to Cincinnati at the half. Beaten 35-3, at home, by a K.e.n.t. team that began the season 1-6. We are the worst team in college football. And there's no hope for the future. We'll lose by 50 Saturday. Two things CK... Most University Presidents don't know much about athletics and that is why an AD is hired, to hire people for athletics. In fact that is what deans are for, to hire people to teach. No big shocker that Proenza isn't "good" at hiring coaches. All anyone can ever do is hire who they think can get the job done. Proenza's job is to make sure that if a mistake is made it is quickly corrected. (and let's not forget the Board of Trustees has a say on all hiring as well). Second, if we lose by 50 on Saturday, then the whole staff related to football needs to be fired. Because we play Western Michigan on Friday.

I would say the awfulness of the program only limits us in terms of not being able to get currently successful D-1 coaches. You aren't stealing someone from a Sun Belt or top FCS school. However I don't see why a "disgraced" hero or top D-II guy wouldn't want to come here. This is the perfect opportunity to prove yourself. You have a school that is willing to support athletics, and a community that is desperate to have something to cheer about. Look at the reaction we had from just a little bit of MAC success (10,000 people to Detroit) there were games that season where we barely got that many at the Rubber Bowl. We can get 6000 people to show up to a sport that has exceptionally low national fan following, why? Because they win. Just looking at the reaction we got for soccer should make someone who wants to be a successful football coach jump at the opportunity.

What a complete scam - Absolutely suck at your job...get fired after 2 seasons...and take $1million from UA over the next 3 seasons to NOT coach the team. I'm in the wrong business. I agree, all sports should have learned a long time ago to put in "outs" in their contracts. I think this constitutes failure to perform. And I think his contract is 3 with a 2 year option. So it may be a matter of only havnig to pay 1 and a half year's of salary. At least if I wrote a contract that is how I would write it. Any school that says here's a 5 year contract, if we get rid of you before that we owe you the whole contract, is pretty dumb.

Take it for what you will. I spoke with a faculty member who has been close to the f.ball program for years. Asked about the Ianello situation. That person's opinion is that not only will Ianello be back next year but likely at least the year after that. They can't afford the $$$$$$ for a buyout and pay another HC at this point. Interesting popular sentiment among the circles I converse with say they doubt that certain people at high positions involved in the discussions we have been having would be back. For cost, he makes $350,000 a year. Next year we play at Tennessee, I would say that is a wash for buying him out of 2 years. Not to mention at $20 a ticket average we would need two sell outs to cover the cost of him. We are losing the money by keeping him after two 1-11 seasons. Cost isn't an issue on him staying or going. Its whether he shows progress in APR, attendance, class room performance, and on field performance. So too early on the first, faked on the second, positive on the third, and negative on the forth. It just depends on where the priorities are. Also is now the time to go coach hunting? Nutter, Stoops, Tressel, Rodriquez, half the Penn State staff, there will be a lot of coaches, but is there potential. If you take 350 x 2 or 3 grand out of the Akron sports budget you affect every program at the school. So it is significant. They really can't do that unless they come up with some spare change somewhere. He will be back next year. After that who knows? My point is, an empty stadium is the same as taking the hit on his salary. He coaches again and we average 5000 fans all season and then have problems selling the (suite, loge and club seats) that is just as damaging as paying him off right now. Let's not forget that the Suite, loge, and club seats only had a 3 year commitment to them. At 10 grand a pop for suites that's $120 grand off the table right there. You account for all the seats up there its about half a million a year that we will struggle to sell. If you pick the right coach, a name coach (a Fickell, or Tressel, or a winning lower division coach) you create a sense of hope and can put some butts in the seats that will eat up the cost of paying off Rob's contract.

Pinkel Maybe Akron can get their own Solich? Come on Mizzou let him go for "character flaws"

"vehemently disappointed," eh? If you want to be taken seriously, write a serious letter. Suggesting that the recipient resign so someone else will fire the football coach is not a serious suggestion. Proofreading the letter might also help, given that you want Dr. Proenza to take you seriously as well. Here's how change happens - people with money start spending it elsewhere. During the Brian Knorr years at OU, a group of alumni purchased billboards around town and ads in the local papers so the president and AD had no choice but to seriously consider their arguments. Think about buying ads in the student paper - I guarantee you'll get an audience with Wistricill, if not Dr. P. Oh, I'm sorry professor, extremely, passionately, fervently disappointed. And I should extend to the AD a well thought out professional style letter? Because he has done a well thought out and professional job in running the athletic department up to this point? Sorry, I waited two days to write it so it wasn't full of profanity. While I appreciate your outside take on things, I don't see a problem in sending a raw writing to either of these people. I would rather them see the anger behind it then have it come off as a clinical "here are the reasons this decision is not the correct decision." Asking for TW to step down as I did is more of a "if you aren't going to fire him, you are just as big of a problem and need to go" style comment. I would love to have several of us from zipsnation, buy ad space with the circulated twice a week and read by tens of people student newspaper. I fully think that would get us somewhere. No the next step is writing the Beacon a well thought out article on why Ianello isn't working and why Akron (the university and city) deserves better, and calling on the donors to cough up the money to get rid of this guy. And that is coming in due time.

Decided I would post my e-mail to TW. I am tired of this. You all know that I was an optimist and supported the program through this horrible season. But this season has so sickened me that I cannot tolerate it anymore. Something must be done. to Tom Wistrcill <tw41@uakron.edu> cc proenza@uakron.edu date Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:57 AM subject State of the Football Program hide details 8:57 AM (2 minutes ago) Tom, What can I say here? I am vehemently disappointed right now. Through 4 seasons as a season ticket holder, I have been investing into this program with expectations of seeing performances similar to 2004-2005. Instead I am greeted with 3 seasons of football that, combined, don’t even match the win total from 2005. I am writing to request several things. First, I want a full refund on my season tickets. Between the special deals you are giving to no season ticket holders and the constant expectation that the most loyal of fans continue to foot the bill for this product that is given to us is appalling. We barely have any fans but you decide to raise parking prices for season ticket holders? That is absolutely insulting. Then other sports get something for being a season ticket holder. They get gifts for going to see a winner. We get nothing but higher prices and our treated each game to hearing about other deals and free tickets. Soccer ticket holders get a scarf and a great chance to see a win, we get nothing. Its down right shameful. Second, I want coach Ianello fired. This is unacceptable. Understand I was a huge supporter, I saw some improvement starting near the end of last year. But there has been nothing this year. In fact we have regressed. There is a growing contingent of supporters that will refuse to renew season tickets until this clown is removed. I send this now, because I do not care what happens over the next two games. He has been given a chance and has failed. We’ve talked, I sat in your office. I know you want to succeed here. I also know you respect the fans. We are not happy, and we will not put up with this. Now is an opportunity for the University to make a statement to everyone. LOSING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE. Ianello has had a fair shot to show improvement. He has failed miserably. I think fans, and I know at least I, would have understood 4 wins last year and a fall back to 3 this year. But this team is unlikely to win a game against the MAC this year. This is with a fairly weak MAC schedule, considering Ball St. Bowling Green, NIU, and Toledo were not on it. Which brings me to my final request. If you are unwilling to fire coach Ianello and cut our losses now, then I ask that you resign so that the University can find someone that is willing to get rid of him. Understand that despite this program’s ups and downs, Can't has not won back to back Wagon Wheel games for 23 years. This is absolutely unacceptable. There comes a time when you have to cut your losses. Now is the time. Make a statement to this city and to the alumni of this great University. LOSING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE! I fully expect a reply from you in the coming days.

To go with what you are saying. What impressed me with the outing is that we got sloppy and gave away a lot free points (maybe some ref bias in there causing that, but still kind of sloppy), then we shot awful from the perimeter. The past 3 years those two things mean we lose by 20 points.But despite not playing our top game, we still dominated. I think that is huge. We created scoring opportunities in the paint, Zeke and Nik out muscled a 280 lb guy to get us second chance opportunities, and Abreu and Diggs can create fast break opportunities. If we can get that kick out three to start dropping consistantly then we are an extremely dangerous team. Not to mention we shut down one of the top SEC players, not a good SEC player, one of the top 5 SEC players. We struggled with his type all last year. This feels really good.

This joke was already made in the Would you take a chance thread.

Remember we are dealing with all the information. I certainly would have broken it up knowing what we all know. But do we know what McQueary knew at the time? Actually, we do. McQueary's grand jury testimony shows he heard slapping sounds like people having sex. He walks in the shower and sees Sandusky raping a young boy with the boy's hands against the shower wall. There is no doubt as to what McQueary saw and he did nothing to stop it. In fact, he ran away like a scared child and told his daddy. He was 28 at the time.I have always heard there is a dark side to Paterno. My bet is a lot of the people around PSU are scared of the guy.Yes and there are other parts of the indictment where he said he saw less. When you see something horriffic you rarely if ever can convey what you saw accurately because parts of the brain will attempt to protect you from what you saw. If McQueary saw what he saw and nothing was happening for 10 years why wasn't he blowing the whistle? This isn't a "we corrected the behavior" type issue. So nothing short of seeing the guy in jail should have been enough. The whole thing is a mess and it will be sorted out over the next several months. Those who should pay will pay. But the reactions of people regarding punishing everyone is exactly why courts exist. There are people wanting to kill all of them, right now, without know any of the details except the final detail that a sick, twisted, evil, can't use the right word on here, took advantage of dozens of boys through his positions with two distinguished institutions. Both had knowledge, neither did anything until it was far too late. What this tells me is that there is an inherent problem with the whole system. This is an opportunity to fix something and create change and it will likely get swept under by the hatred stirred up.

Remember we are dealing with all the information. I certainly would have broken it up knowing what we all know. But do we know what McQueary knew at the time? Additionally from a Joe Pa point of view, he gets info from a GA, he does what he needs to do with it. Tells the AD and a guy who is in charge of the PSU Police department, that is like telling the commissioner of a police department. To me that is as handled as it could be.Now if McQueary saw what he says he saw in the indictment, how does he continue for 10+ years seeing Sandusky on campus and never questioning what happened. For Joe Pa he went to the authorities, they said they would investigate the accusation, if Sandusky wasn't removed or suspended by them, what else was he to do? Additionally there were external investigations of Sandusky by the youth organization he was involved with and they did nothing. No one is right on how this was handled, because it went on and too many innocent boys were taken advantage of, but of all parties Joe Pa is the one getting railroaded even though he told authorities, they blame him for not telling everyone?

So any prospects expected to be signed today?

GP1, any good parent is having a talk about improper touching with their child as soon as they begin interacting with other adults. Heck I remember getting taught about it in the first grade. It doesn't have to be a graphic discussion, it does need to take place though. People think this is a new problem but it has been going on everywhere. Churches, Boy Scouts, Wrestling, now college football. It is sad, but like you said if there is 9 there is 90 (it's already up to 20) and how many other schools have or had something similar going on. I will wager a guess that Penn State is not the only school where tragedy like this is occurring.

To add to the taking a chance, I hear Joe Paterno is going to be available soon...

We need a guy like Dambrot. Leavitt is not that guy as he doesn't really understand the mac and getting mac players. It is much more difficult than rounding up players in Florida.I'd go as far as to say the next coach will take on a much bigger problem than Dambrot took over. Save the facilities rants, there is simply zero talent on this football team. If all it took was facilities, we would be much better.Well facilities without a decent coach is what the problem is. Owens or Faust with what we have now would at least have us winning 5-8 games a season.

Take it for what you will. I spoke with a faculty member who has been close to the f.ball program for years. Asked about the Ianello situation. That person's opinion is that not only will Ianello be back next year but likely at least the year after that. They can't afford the $$$$$$ for a buyout and pay another HC at this point.Interesting popular sentiment among the circles I converse with say they doubt that certain people at high positions involved in the discussions we have been having would be back.For cost, he makes $350,000 a year. Next year we play at Tennessee, I would say that is a wash for buying him out of 2 years. Not to mention at $20 a ticket average we would need two sell outs to cover the cost of him. We are losing the money by keeping him after two 1-11 seasons. Cost isn't an issue on him staying or going. Its whether he shows progress in APR, attendance, class room performance, and on field performance. So too early on the first, faked on the second, positive on the third, and negative on the forth. It just depends on where the priorities are. Also is now the time to go coach hunting? Nutter, Stoops, Tressel, Rodriquez, half the Penn State staff, there will be a lot of coaches, but is there potential.

I highly doubt TW will be involved in the next hiring process at our University.

There were rumblings before this game about things that will take place at seasons end. That kind of embarassment is not helping anything.

My bad. I thought we were farther out than that on that one. I still stand by the fact that everything up to the final play is hindsight and that going for the win was a better choice than OT. The problem with the whole thing is we know what outcome A is and we can only speculate what outcome B would have been. I feel that given our inexperience and inability to score in general we lose the game if we go to OT anyway. With those two things I say keeping CMU on their heels and trying to win with the 2 point conversion is our best option. The play selection was very uncreative and with CMU gifting us a timeout I thought we could have chosen a better play.

In this CMU game, you need points to close a lead, you just forced a punt. Any points close the gap. You go for the touchdown and fail you give them decent field position and have no win to help pump up the offense. A field goal is a win offensively.

Again, not his call. Its an option play. It would be like saying its Ianello's fault that Moore threw to Sconiers on the long route when Suel was sitting wide open 10 yards out.Should he or Okruch called that option off at that moment? Maybe, because there is no difference between 7 or 8 at that point. You don't know what the next score from CMU will be, if there even is one. You are down 2 scores no matter what the outcome is on that PAT. But that is also Campbell's poor decision. Don't forget he is a veteran player and that is why the coaches trust him to make that decision. Ultimately that one point ended up mattering. A coach's decision on that is to base it on making up ground. So you assume that you can hold an opponent to field goals. So at 20-6 you need to get 14 to tie assuming the opponent kicks a field goal you are looking at 23-6 a 17 point difference. This means the 2 point conversion at this moment has to be on the table because assuming CMU only kicks a field goal you are going to have to get them at some point anyway. So you wouldn't call off the muddle huddle option because it might create an extra point that you weren't counting on. What's lost in the argument is the fact that this could have been a blowout if not for the offensive adjustments that were made. We are 1-6, it sucks!!! I'm sitting there (as we trail 20-0) drafting a letter in my head to Wistrcill demanding a refund for my season tickets because I paid to see competitive football. Two seasons in I've physically seen us compete twice against our conference. Miami and Buffalo, last year. I'm as mad as anyone of the rest of you. But they did conjur up some quality play and whether this was a win or loss ideally it was a eureka moment for the coaching staff on how to get the best production out of this team.

Oh CK....They outscored us 20-0 through almost 3 quarters. You are creating a stoppage and giving them a chance to recover. Plain and simple.Our defense was playing great outside of the 30. And CMU was playing to protect a lead.See my other posts Stanford was undefeated and is playing for a shot at National Championship. In those cases you play safe (kick the point) because you have something to lose. We on the other hand have already lost everything and have nothing left to lose. OT means that there is something that has impact of your future decision (coin toss) going for 2 means you hold your own fate in your hands.We need a win a every Saturday. Constantly you and others criticize the coach for being conservative, then he is finally aggressive and you criticize him. DiG is right if we go to OT and lose, every last one of you would say "He had the game in his hands and he went conservative again!!!!" Heck I heard people criticize him kicking the field goal to make it 20-9. "Oh you're still down two scores you idiot, you have to go for the TD." The same field goal that kept the momentum on our side by having 2 possessions in a row result in points. On a side note...With 4 Games left Chisholm needs 247 yards to reach 1000.

I keep seeing that word used. Over all the threads talking about this game. Momentum...The interesting thing about momentum is that long stoppages disrupt momentum. Say the long stoppage between the end of the game and the start of OT.Also we were able to maintain momentum by keeping CMU on their side of the 50. So you think putting a team on the 30 and giving them a chance to score is better for a team that has consistantly struggled to score? I am dumbfounded by how many of you talk as though stopping the flow of the game, flipping a coin, and ideally, putting our defense's back against the wall is a better way to win a game than keeping CMU on the field, tired, and confused and going for two. The logic doesn't exist, especially for a team that has 1 win, so we have nothing to lose and everything to gain and we are a team that struggles to score. And all of that is assuming we didn't get the ball first. If we got the ball first in OT we would have had to score a TD to keep the weight off the defense. So let's be honest considering are plethora of potent offensive plays (sarcasm) who of you would take the bet that we score a touchdown given the ball on the 30 vs being able to get the ball in the endzone from the 3?Reallistically none of you would take the TD from the 30 and all of you know it. Then there is GP1's argument that MAC schools do everything they can to lose a game. From the rest of the season that you have seen, who is better at giving away a game? The Zips or the Chips? Because I've seen us fail in the redzone multiple times. Going to OT gives us plenty of opportunity to screw up one more time.

Lol. Question the FG over Trying for TD? If we don't have the 3 there we are down 4 at end of game.For the rest. You Always question him not going for it and punting or like Zach picking the sure 3 over a chance TD, but then get mad he goes aggressive when we have chance to win the game? You are idiots. We are playing for wins now. You have a team confused, no confidence and wounded. You go for the kill!!! If we are 4-2 you go for OT, we are 1-6 so you go for the kill.As for going for 2 the first time, that is read play. If Campbell sees a mismatch he calls for direct snap, that is built in to the PAT, it's not "run this play" call it's an audible.Most of you need to attend the football 101 (I know it's for ladies that's my point).