Captain Kangaroo

Vintage Charlie ColesMiami 39 Akron 36Double Overtime.

I'm sure the Zips had no relationship with these players prior to seeing their respective "verbaled" schools lose their coach. Robinson is the real deal. I'd be pissed if I were a Toledo fan too.

Until such a point that fair rankings are possible, I reserve to right to unfairly rank everyone. Fair enough. I hope you realize that wasn't a cheap shot at you.Fully realized! I put up the "rankings" to get people up to speed on the other MAC teams and to get some MAC hoops discussion going. I feel they're moderately accurate...but am not placing any large bets in Vegas to back them up.

Until such a point that fair rankings are possible, I reserve to right to unfairly rank everyone.

I always enjoyed the bi-annual "Painting-o-the-Trough." The Rubber Bowl is the only place in the world where someone would try to paint porcelain. It looked great...for the home opener, but it didn't hold up too well after that. Wonder what Glidden would have said if the Facilities Manager would have tried to make a warranty claim on the obviously defective, peeled paint?

Where?

Has Nate Davis announced he's turning pro yet? :lol: Man did he close-out the season like a sack of crap.

Hey, it is progress. 5 wins is a season's worth for women's Zips basketball teams of the past decade. To have 5 after 13 games is nearly cause for a ticker-tape parade on Buchtel ave.It will be interesting to see how they do in conference play. If Kest can hit double-digit wins this season, it would be monumental (on the scale of Zips women's basketball).

Damn if you didn't convince me with your reasoning, Cap'n. In fact, this logic is so sterling that I just called up Keith Dambrot and requested that he toss Humpty, Stewart, Bardo, B McKnight and McNees off the team. I expect that will signal the need for improved team unity which leads to an undefeated MAC season.Kangaroo for AD! You ferment your poi prior to consumption, don't you?

At this time, I don't see the Zips playing better than anyone in the East. I don't think that means we're the worst team in the East, but if the MAC tourney began tomorrow, I certainly wouldn't bet the house on us. K.e.n.t. is the one team that makes a strong case for being worse (than the Zips), but I give them a little slack because they've played such a tough OOC schedule. OU seems to be getting on track, and we don't have Travis or Wood to counter Tilman. Buffalo is playing VERY well. Miami seems about at our level.IMO - I see Buffalo as the clear leader, and the others...not much of a degree of separation.SOS is tough to gauge right now. Many of the strong teams have played cupcakes, and vice versa. Once conference play begins, it will be interesting to see how the SOS changes.

Not to mention a D2 Ashland squad who finished the year ranked 14th in D2 if the poll I'm looking at is correct. Who are they coached by again?? Did they raise a banner for being #14?

This is becoming a tired discussion. But I will go on record as agreeing with RACER on this .. I don't have the time to pull out quotes, but you don't have to look very far to find evidence that supports both sides, including RACER's .. unfortunately the Dayton thread, which included a lot of it .. was lost in the server hack.Perhaps hoops is judged on a tougher scale than football because at its heart, UA is a basketball school. Go Zips .. snag the sweaters! B) B) in and effort to win your favor i will type like this.them maybe you will see the light.because losiing is bad and winning is good and we are zips fans and we agree onthat.

Highly Scientific Lunchtime Analysis:#1 - Buffalo (8-4) Previous Rank #1A MAC team that doesn’t need to brag about how closely they lost to someone….they actually are winning…what a novel concept? Buffalo is rock-solid at #1 coming off impressive neutral court wins vs. Pepperdine, Colodado and Colorado State (was Northern Colorado unavailable?).#2 – Miami (7-5)Previous Rank #3 Followed up their 36 point loss to WVa with a 1-point win @ Northwestern State La, and a 5-point loss to Dayton. Hardly impressive…but in the thus far sorry MAC it is good enough for #2.#3 – Can't (7-7)Previous Rank #2 Drubbed Shawnee State and Hampton, then follow it up with a 15-point loss @ Temple. Hard to believe this is good enough to garner a #3 ranking….but it is.#4 – Bowling Green (7-6)Previous Rank # 5Won 3 of their last 4, albeit to fairly weak competition. #5 – OU (7-6)Previous Rank #6The Bobcats have won 3 in a row, including Holy Cross and Bucknell. Tilman was POTW. Bobcats seem to be rising.#6 – Akron (8-5)Previous Rank #3A nice 22-point road win is heavily outweighed by a 29 point road loss to Rhode Island.The rest (I can’t justify evaluating the MAC West tripe):#7 BSU (5-7)#8 NIU (4-8)#9 Toledo (2-12, but a “nice” 9-point loss to Rhode Island)#10 CMU (3-9)#11 Akron Women’s Team (5-8)#12 WMU (3-10)#13 EMU (2-11)

I went to the Insight Bowl in Tempe over Christmas break. When the Minnesota band left their seats at halftime, there were several HUNDRED plastic bottles strewn about their vacated area. It looked ridiculous.That was for maybe 200 band, majorette and flag members. There were 50,000 people at the game. I can't fathom how much overall garbage was generated from that game...especially if you take into account the Golden Gopher's play.

I hear UA/Miami is on ONN (the only channel whose ratings ESPNU can ridicule) this Saturday at 4:30pm? Of course, as a Direct TV subscriber, it doesn't do much for me.

If memory serves (and perhaps this goes to show how short some memories are, or how little attention is paid to anything outside American football and men's basketball), this has already been done -- but instead of a coach, it was done with student-players. Wahine Zip basketball coach Jody Kest decided that some unwritten and unspoken law was broken when some of her players approached coaches from other schools for a fall-back position, and as George Costanza would say, yada, yada and the next thing you know nearly the entire starting undergrad lineup is playing for other schools, like West Virginia Wesleyan (including arguably the best recruit in school history, a former Miss W Va basketball). IMHO, this attitude on the part of university officials is not just arrogant, but threatens the legal standing of their institutions. University employees and students are covered by the same constitutional provisions of free communication and free association as all other citizens. Contract law notwithstanding. What does the esteemed future councilor Mr Razor think of this? Seems like the women's hoops team is flourishing since the departure of "the best recruit in school history, a former Miss W Va basketball?" Maybe said departed female player was more similar to former Zips men's recruit and former Ohio HS Mr. Basketball Emmanuel Smith than some would like to admit?BTW - The Zips women's team just picked up a road win vs. a previously 11-4 Lehigh squad a few days ago to go along with their Michigan win (plus a few others). Thus far the departures from last years squad seem to be addition by subtraction?

Logic is as unfamiliar to you as your Caps Lock button. Please tell me some facts to back up that statement. Anything. I think everyone, including JD, knows that 2009 is do-or-die. There won't be a year #7 if 2009 is a bust. Maybe because it would have indicated progress. Bowl eligibility. Been a stepping stone? Wholly untrue, at least to your degree. Would KD be satisfied with an average, .500 season? No. So why should the Zips fans who so freely discuss shortcomings of the football program avoid any negative mention of an average basketball season? Why the double standard? With great gifts come great responsibilities.

You are correct. There is an absolute love affair with JD. I don't get it, but it is undeniable. At the end of 2008, I can only wish I had a dollar for every fawning fan kissing the guy's butt. You'd think the 3-3-5 was the freaking Steel Curtain for Pete's sake. And Jacquemaine? Can we just stop it with all the "Jacquemaine is God" and "Jacq for Heisman" talk already? Normally I hate to get personal, but one poster in particular...Lee Adams...is such a freaking shill for JD it makes me wanna puke. Marry the guy if you love him so much!!! And further more, I'm sick of everyone gushing over JD's recruiting record. Especially when is comes to a few classes ago. Can people on this board be anymore in the guy's hip pocket?? I say NO!!! JD gets more unconditional love from ZipsNation than...than...George Bush gets from Iraqi journalist's shoes. And with KD...you are 110% correct. The guy gets Z-E-R-O love on this board. I'm astounded, but the vast majority of ZipsNation participants are already plotting to put For Sale signs in the guy's lawn!! For shame, ZipsNation!! I recall one post in particular where some raving lunatic actually...get this...suggested that Gary Waters might be a solid mid-major coach. HOW MUCH MORE OF AN AFFRONT TO KD CAN THERE BE???!!! Damn...work is getting in the way of my sarcasm. Gotta go.

If KD ever "snuck" into the NCAA tourney I would be happier than I've been in 25 years as a Zips basketball fan.

Two posts were deleted. Please keep the personal insults off the board. I know it can be difficult at times, but you gotta restrain yourself. Thanks

Are you for real?

It allows them to ready themselves for a college work load while getting early practice time with the team. Nothing but benefits if you ask me...UA offered Eugene Jarvis a Grayshirt. K.e.n.t. offered him a scholarship...and he went to K.e.n.t. Grayshirting is fine, but you run the risk of losing the recruit if someone offers him a scholarship from the get-go.

What's worse...9 years of Hipsher, Faust or Owens, or a new coach every other game? If Dennis Helsel listend to ZipsNation instead of handing out contract extensions after every win, I'd have a LOT fewer gray hairs. And Dambrot would be in year #8 of his UA tenure.BTW - No one wants Dambrot fired. I swear to God. JD? Seems like there's a few doubters out there. Does Lee Adams read the basketball threads?

Scanning through the entire thread, I can't find a single post that speaks anything but glowingly about Keith Dambrot. Some local colllege hoops fans are also impressed with the job Gary Waters is doing. Apparently dems fightin' words in Summit County. To me, it's being a local college hoops fan and talking sports. There's absolutely ZERO anti-UA Coach sentiment involved in appreciating the work of another local mid-major coach who's obviously pretty skilled.In a way it reminds me of that old Far Side comic where a guy yells at his dog. Regardless of what the guy really says, the dog only hears one thing.

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