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Multipurpose meaning a floor space big enough to host any arena event. I'm looking at the sustainability of the arena itself, in either case a venue that does not cost the university much needed funds. The rec part is a good selling point for a new arena, and also something very few universities are able to provide prospective students. You have to sell this to a wide audience. But since they haven't tried that route yet and seem hell bent on getting in bed with the county (at an unknown cost), that whole concept is moot.

Agreed. Best case scenario is a university built university owned structure that not only has a first class basketball arena but also educational and recreational facilities for all students. It would be ON CAMPUS, accessible to all students, and would also bring alumni ON CAMPUS. It would also be capable of holding non-university events which would bring revenue into the building's budget to help pay for it. Bringing more outsiders ON CAMPUS to show them we are not Buchtel College anymore. There's talk of needing more classroom space and the need for more building. I attended class in Memorial, the JAR, and the Info. My class at Memorial had to be moved as there were too many students for the room size. Multipurpose is a key. It needs to be for recreational purposes. Use it for rec soccer one night a week in the winter. Intramural and open. I had some great times as a teen at the Force Fitness Institute playing open soccer. Students (even those less-athletic) love that chance to get out and play. Other events, been over that ad nauseum what you could host. The indoor soccer thing got me thinking of youth soccer leagues. Open the thing up on Satuday mornings in the winter, charge each participant and fan, and run tournaments for all the different age groups. It's the perfect demographic to do this with, and it gets a lot more eyes on the campus itself. So, how do we pay for it? Sponsorships helped pay for the football and soccer stadiums. If you have a venue that's open 200 times a year, that's a lot more exposure for a sponsor. How else? US. Nobody has tried this idea. How do I know? I HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED!!! Have any of you been approached by the U to donate money to a new arena project??? I would much rather help build a facilty for the U by the U at the U, and will never support a limited use county run waste.

Yep, Zips Hockey had a heck of a time scheduling games, often starting at 11pm and running well past midnight. Even when we hosted the conference tournament. They still packed the house BTW. I've seen public skates late at night that were absolutely packed. But I try not to mention ice or hockey because that causes heads to explode here for some reason.

Guess you missed my posts earlier in the thread where I showed the different events that require a bigger floor, and how it all works without hockey (which I don't care if they had ice or not). If you're going to criticize other posters, at least know what the hell they're talking about.

I wouldn't mind it if they designed it so it was capable of holding the events the typical arena can handle. But they're not, so it can't handle a fraction of the events, and they want me and you to pay for it. Earlier in the thread I laid out how many events Youngstown's arena needed to break even, how many events you can host on a full size arena floor, and how many events you can host on a basketball gym floor. If the university, the city, or the county want to do it right, I am all for it. I'll gladly pay the tax or make a contribution to a proper university-built facility on campus. If they want to get in my pockets for their typical myopic half-assed waste of money, they're going to have a fight.

I thought that too. Pair that up with the limited events that you can have with the limited design, and the U could wind up eating a LOT more than they bargained for..

There are two different costs of the building. The cost of building it The cost of operating it, if the income doesn't cover the expenses. No matter what the taxpayers are paying the loan on the cost of building it. When (if) the operating company loses money, the U will cover those costs. So let's say the building needs to book 100 dates to cover expenses and break even. If it only books, say, 20, it's operating at a loss. The University would cover those losses. Meanwhile the building loan is still being paid by the taxpayer.

The argument is they/we don't want to pay for it in the first place. That's what you have to counter. The initial construction cost.

The anti-gym groups have a hell of a head start. I haven't heard anything pro- outside of this forum.

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What can be measured is how much more people are spending on jerseys and T-shirts and all that other crap. Then figure in what the ticket agencies are going to make now, when in the past few years they couldn't get face value from Cavs duckets. That's not a transference of money from outside the region. I didn't see a lot of people spending that cash on Cleveland Indians and Canton Charge gear. Or being raped by ticket agents to go see the games.

I was never as pissed about the Decision as everyone else. For months the Cleveland media talked about how LeBron never had a "college signing day" where he sat behind four baseball hats, and they showed highlights and everyone talked him up, and then he picked one up and put it on. They kept saying he missed out on that and should do it for his Decision. His people were obviously listening. They just thought he was going to put on a Cavs hat. Of course those same media members crucified him when he did what they said he should do.

I decided a long time ago that with pro sports, I root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back. And today my NBA team is a hell of a lot better than it was last week. The best player in the NBA is on my team now. Is Cleveland big enough for Johnny Football AND Mr. Basketball???

Just imagine how big a circus it will be in two years... I don't see any of these guys signing for more than two years. Why? The CBA is up, and the teams are looking at a much higher salary cap because of the increased TV revenue. Which should also increase the amount of caish a maxed player makes. When a conversation on the Mike and Mike show makes Fox8 news, you know the world is going to hell.

Just imagine how big a circus it will be in two years... I don't see any of these guys signing for more than two years. Why? The CBA is up, and the teams are looking at a much higher salary cap because of the increased TV revenue. Which should also increase the amount of caish a maxed player makes. When a conversation on the Mike and Mike show makes Fox8 news, you know the world is going to hell.

And he's n the game at 32 minutes!!!

Answer #3. Student engagement.

The new rags are out. Lindy's and USA Today have us finishing second in the East behind BGSU. Athlon has us third behind BGSU and Ohio. Lindys and Athlon has us winning 6, USA Today says we win 7. I think we win 6 based on an easier schdule, the rest is up to the players improving. Could be 7, could be 8.

So, when you rant about the sport How are we suppose to enjoy it for what (you think) it is, when you're constantly ranting all your excuses about why you think people are watching? After telling us we shouldn't be researching ratings that prove your first rant is full of shit. Did you learn those debate "strategies" in college?

"He played for the Akron Zips before he was TRADED to Seattle."

You mentioned kids home from school with nothing else to watch as the reason the World Cup is so popular. There are more sports on TV, which may be one reason baseball and basketball ratings are dropping. You don't have to watch the NBA circus to watch sports now. It wasn't long ago a hockey fan was SOL, it was basketball or shitty sitcoms. Now you have more choices, and we get a much better picture of what people want to watch.

Unlike the other sports where flopping is a strategy (hello, NBA?? NFL??) the clock in soccer doesn't stop. You either get your ass up or you watch your team play a man down while you lick your wounds. The injury reports from this tournament reads like an NFL injury report.

The problem is the season is three months long. You would be going to soccer games in March in northeast Ohio. Ask any college baseball fan about that. OTOH that would open the north up to hosting the tournament.

Funny, the biggest demographic of MLS and EPL broadcasts are white males 35-54 making 40K-75K. True, both are seeing increased ratings, while baseball, basketball, and auto racing ratings are dropping.