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Is it just me, or does ESPN3 suck?

They're checking into other spring leagues. According to their Facebook/

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ahhhhhhhhhhhh I get it!!!!

Funny you pick on MMA which has statistically less concussions than football, instead of boxing where the whole idea of the sport is to CAUSE a concussion. There are many ways of winning an MMA match besides knocking the other guy out or going the distance and waiting for the judges. If you doubt that I'll have my son come over and demonstrate. And in all the centuries that people have been watching men fight (including in football and hockey) you're the first to turn it into a homosexual fantasy. What is it about buff men in tight shorts that makes you uncomfortable?

Hell why don't we just have our own playoffs between the non-power conferences? Do we have to follow the same bowl game BS the power conferences do?

I agree, but it's not impossible. The Portage Countians did it last year. Our next opponent hasn't always been Orange Bowl contenders. It is possible to change your culture. With the right people in charge.

That has nothing to do with the quality of the team (we would still get smoked in I-AA). It has to do with what happens if (a very big IF) we do with the way the NCAA is structured. Some aspire to getting into a pizza bowl, or getting blasted out of a BCS bowl. Or possibly becoming a big time school and still not get accepted to the championship. Right, Boise State/TCU? Some would like to see us play against schools with similar budgets and go for a national championship. I would take a national title over a discount muffler bowl win. Both hinge on our eventually getting our shit together, and I understand we have a better chance of hitting the lottery.

It's the same letdown we have had in NE Ohio since before I was born. Teams look like they're going to actually get out of the basement and do something, and they let us down. What stings about this game is the way we played the first five games. Yesterday it was clear they didn't want to be there. And neither do I now.

Can't wasn't any good last year??? 11-3 8-0, nationally ranked, and a bowl game is not very good? Toledo, Ohio, Cincinnati, Can't, all went to bowl games. All under tOSU's shadow.

Money is another topic, and a big one. Apparently Tress is working on that, being able to get that done without city (FINE BY ME) and state money.It could be done through benefactors and naming rights, and a healthy investment by the school. Putting those three things together is the trick. IMO.

For me and my son, the rain had nothing to do with the game day feel. We were prepared. We have sat through worse. What did ruin it was the fair weather fans constantly walking in front of us, headed for the mezzanine and then coming back. Constant. I had one Ohio fan's fat ass in my face six times before I finally moved to the upper deck. The second time he walked through in the first quarter with his porker son (to get food), he told his family "I don't like this stadium. You can't get through." I said "We can go for an hour or more without eating." I hate OU fans more every time I see them. I won't bring up our experience at the hockey playoffs. The rain didn't bother us. It rained hard but it was warm. That won't be the case later in the season. For me the game day feel was all about Terry Bowden's product on the field.

The most telling story of the game was Steve French not awarding an offensive player of the game. Personally I thought all of their play was offensive...

I can't think of any. I thought this was a winnable game. I thought it was a winnable game when we got the FG. I think Bobby has lost the team, and I don't know what's going on with soccer, the stream kept freezing (as if there was audio anyhow). Our first MAC loss in 50 games.

My first question is, you do realize Tri-C has SIX campuses, right? Second question is, if the regional campus system doesn't work, why do all of the major universities use it? Where do you think those students go to finish their degrees? Main Campus. And I hope nobody was offended by what I said about the Kenmore/Barberton area. I practically grew up there. But it's just not what it use to be, like most other rust belt cities in the post-industrial era. And, to tie together what I said about that region and about regional campuses, coming home from the game today I came through Barberton, and lo and behold, there is a Stark State Barberton Campus now.

We discussed before a big reason the attendance (especially season ticket sales) is low is because of the JAR. It's uncomfortable, lacks the most basic amenities, lacks any character (unless you dig high school gymnasiums) and is about as D1 as our "ballpark". We've also talked about how a modern, comfortable venue skyrockets attendance and revitalizes the area it is located in. Reference Canal Park and Gateway. And Columbus' Arena District. An on-campus arena also adds to the campus itself, and brings potential benefactors onto campus to see what "Akron U" has become and what it could achieve. Built adjacent to the Info and First Energy, it could revitalise the old Zip Strip. Which improves campus life, and the cycle continues. There are several better reasons to build a new arena than outgrowing the JAR.

Unfuckinexcuseable. I'm so pissed right now, they had better get their crap straightened out or I'm not renewing my season tickets next year. The biggest problem I saw was the players didn't want to be there. Ohio came to play, The Zips showed up because we had to. I don't know if it was the weather, but they had no motivation. The players looked like they didn't want to be there, and before long the fans did too. And they had HAD a nice crowd. Halftime looked like the exodus. I doubt a lot of them will come back. I love 16, but he was completely ineffective out there. I thought I was watchign Brandon Weeden. He couldn't move and was a sitting duck. Most of his passes sailed over the receiver's heads or five yards in front of them. Was he overleading them, were they slow because of the turf, or did they just not give a crap? Whether it was his lingering injury or what, he was INEFFECTIVE. Why was he still in there? Because of that, the play calling was atrocious. All we could do in the second half was run, apparently right up the middle. And it didn't take Ohio long to fill the box, either. Why wasn't Hirsh brought in? Was it just because when the receivers did have the ball hit them in the hands, it bounced off? Special teams were a total loss. I've seen JV teams play better special teams. Staring down five green jerseys and still trying to get a return. Fumbling the ball. Hitting the return man on a fair catch. WTF? Excuse my French but I haven't been this pissed off in a long long time. I stuck with this team through the Brookhart ship wreck and the I-a-don'tknow era (because we knew they had no talent and the coach was an idiot). But this is the same team that had Michigan by the short ones, and Louisiana. Which makes what we witnessed today even more unacceptable. If this is how its going to be, I'm not renewing my season tickets next year. I'll go back and see what everyone else has now.

They made FOUR STRAIGHT mistakes on special teams resulting in a safety, field position lost, and a 15 yd penalty on a punt. The only thing worse than the penalty was the dumb ass ref announcing it was PASS INTERFERENCE. Bobby finally yelled at the return men after he had seen enough. Where was the ST coach? Goofy could have done a better job coaching those units. Those botched returns and return coverage was a big (but not only) reason we sucked today.

Yeah, I bet all those people who want to keep tanking until we're the 1988 49'ers are having fits right now.

I think 8000 would be a better number to shoot for. Here's my thinking. You know a new venue always brings in a lot of people the first year. The Zips winning would keep them coming back. Might even bring in some schools that are famous for football, whose basketball program would come here and we could compete (win) with. Alabama, LaTech, or some regional rivals like Wright, Cincy, Xavier, Pitt. Duq. Teams that would bring fans. Detroit and Marshall are nice home games this year in that regard. That capacity also increases the number of other events you can bring in.

I love to debate, and often change my mind on things. But when you bring out example after example of having other tennants and all you hear from a group of posters is "It won't work. Why? Because I don't like minor league sports. That's why.", that's not a debate or a discussion. That's talking to the wall. Define that however you want.

You want to move Summit College? What you want is CC's where the money is. Thus Wayne College, MCUC, Lakewood. And don't forget why Rolling Acres failed. That area might work for a Herzing College or a Fortis College. Brown Mackie. We have no reason to go there.

I got hammered when I said other teams and shows would come to a new arena.

The Convo was too big, I don't know what they were thinking. Even with the Coliseum, they weren't bringing in major shows to downtown. They were still going to the Coliseum. Other than Cleveland Crunch playoff games and the NCAA Regional, how many times have they used that capacity? The only reason the Crunch was there was because the Cavs and Lumberjacks took all the weekend dates at the Coliseum. The perfect example of overbuilding. An arena half that size would cost a lot less to maintain, and bring in less popularity events at break even. And create a better atmosphere for Vikings games.