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I don't think you are wrong at all. This program is in such bad shape, it is going to be hard to bring in a decent D-1A assistant. It would be hard to bring in a decent DII or I-AA coach at this point. Coaches are very calculated about their careers and Akron isn't a strong career move. The following happened to our last four coachs. Faust - Never got a sniff at another job in coaching Owens - DII JD - Out of coaching for a year and now assistant at Colorado Coach I - Will be assistant somewhere Right now, Akron isn't the place one goes to for the next job. With that said, it makes Winters all the more logical choice for many of the reasons stated on the board. I always say that things can always get worse than what they seem to be. I can't believe what TW has done to this program in two years. Two years ago, JD was at least a competent coach who was struggling. Lots of odd things happened prior to his departure. The program needed a change and along comes TW with his "vision". Look where we are now...a national laughingstock. No, I take that back, we aren't even a laughingstock...we're nothing. People don't even pay enough attention to laugh at us because we are so pathetic it isn't even funny. If the boom is lowered on Coach I, I say good luck to him and wish him only the best in the future. However, there needs to be another boom lowered this week and it should be the guy who created this whole situation, TW. Coach I needs to go....TW REALLY needs to go.

I say something similar to my fellow Steelers fans when they tell me what a great coach Cowher was. The guy was no Chuck Noll. Cowher had four easy wins a year against the Browns and Bengals as those franchises were flat on their backs most of his time as coach. When Noll coached, the Bengals, Browns and Oilers were at least good teams most of the time and a road trip to one of those teams was difficult to win. Preceding Tressel, the Big Ten was a much better conferece than it is now and during his tenure. I think it would be harder to lose a game with the schedule Tressel played than to win a game. There is a big difference between illusion and reality. I have always maintained Tressel is an illusionist. If he comes here, his bag of tricks will be empty. Some people are easy to fool. The Great GP1 isn't so easy to fool. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

It doesn't matter what you have done, it only matters what you will do. Tressel has no history of success beyond lying and cheating. Where is the evidence that lacking lying and cheating he will win at Akron?

Maybe he was on his way to Can't to watch his former coach in action. Tressel is not coming to Akron. It would be like a two term President running for Congress after his time in office. John Quincy Adams served in Congress after being president and Andrew Johnson served in the Senate. Both were one term Presidents.

He wouldn't make us a Top 25 team. He could get us what OU has right now and I would take an 8-9 win season in a second. I actually think a lot of guys could win at Akron given the chance.

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take a lot of talent to win in the MAC...It takes the right talent at the right places. OU isn't dripping with talent, yet they won 9 games so far this year. They have enough talent to win a coach that helps them win. Winters can get the right talent.

Maybe he was on his way to Can't to watch his former coach in action. Tressel is not coming to Akron. It would be like a two term President running for Congress after his time in office.

Keep it up CK and I'm going to have to pass along my "Worlds Most Glib Zips Fan" hat to you.

LF will remain on staff at OSU when the next coach is hired. Jim Fleming will not be the coach. Paul Winters could be the coach. Lots of guys could be the coach and win, but TW can't be the guy to decide who does that.

It's on the internet. It must be true!

"Shaving!"

I think it could cripple many schools. The monster is create and now the monster has to be fed. It's hard to kill a monster.

This is what our society is becoming. Is it really worth the time for people to go watch a game designed to raise money for charity because they are so upset LeBron chose Miami over Cleveland? Breaks his ankle?....Pathetic. Boo a guy raising money for charity?.....Pathetic. Shame on anyone who goes to this game with this in mind.

Link Some interesting reading. Those who think college sports should be eliminated are wrong, IMO. After this PSU horror show, I do think this country needs to take a close look at college athletics at most schools and really being to set some priorities. Maybe elimination is not the thing to do. Maybe deemphasizing is the way we need to go.

IF the Zips look for a new coach, I would at least interview him. Winning at Akron isn't easy. LF at least coached at Akron and understands the difficulties. IMO, the understanding is a huge benefit for any coach coming to Akron. If the coach knows what he is facing, he can deal with it. I don't think Coach I had any idea coming here what he was getting himself into. Can't brought in a no name assistant with no head coaching experience and only a couple of years as coordinator at Oberlin of all places. He is 5-6 with one game to go. That is a miracle turnaround at Can't. LF and a lot of other guys could do the same thing at Akron. As a disclaimer, LF is personal friends with a brother of mine and gives him tickets to OSU games. He would do just fine at Akron. I read on a lot of blogs, after OSU loses...never after a win, he looks like a deer in headlights. Those are just comments by people who don't know what else to say so they all become like dogs barking. It's just noise. I'm not saying Akron should hire him just to hire him, but I would say he is good enough for the MAC and turning around a program like Akron. More than anything, I'm against defensive coaches being head coaches in the MAC. It could be LF or Joe Blow Coordinator.

I'd like to go on record and say I'm against things like this. Seems to me there are better ways to do things and this type of Facebook activity doesn't help anything.

WOW!!! This could be its own topic.

Good points. My guess is they are going to have assistants leaving regardless. The young guys on staff can afford to have a third year of this on their resumes. The older guys know enough people they can get out of town with their contacts in coaching.

So you were sort of like Ryan Bingham? No. I actually worked for the companies I did it for. It didn't happen much, but it happened.

When TW came to town, he made a lot of really bad decisions early (see handling of Reno issue). At the time, I didn't feel comfortable with such a bad manager making a coaching decision (actually posted it on this board) and was concerned about him firing JD and hiring a new coach. Where are we today? The same place we were a couple of years ago only the conditions have gotten worse. Same bad manager, only we now have to live his mistake. If TW fires Coach I, we still have the same bad manager in a position to make another horrible mistake at a point when we need a good decision even more now than two years ago. TW isn't capable of making the decision and probably would fight his being taken out of the decision making process tooth and nail. It would create a horrible situation for the next coach. Before we make any coaching decisions, the first step has to be getting rid of the AD who made the conditions worse than a couple of years ago. If not, a worse problem can be created. Yes, it can always get worse. Dr. Proenza won't fire an AD and coach in the same year. However, if he does, he needs an absolute prick on the hiring committee who wouldn't be shy about asking difficult questions and questioning the conventional "wisdom" of college athletics babble. Secondly, anyone who sat on the last hiring panel shouldn't be back for this one as they are complicit in the current problem. There are people in the Athletic Department who know my number. I would make myself available. If anyone is shy about firing TW, I have experience in firing people (When I worked in corporate America, I was sent out sometimes to fire people who didn't even work for me) and I would be glad to put that experience to use.

Some perspective.

I'm not certain why we need a guy who has won national championships at any level. KD is a good coach and he basically came from the wilderness to coach the Zips and is doing better than just fine. We need a guy who can coach at Akron regardless of what he did at some other school.

I'm not interested in another Will Muschamp. Give me a guy who can coach, not a guy who runs around on the sidelines jumping into his players. For whatever reason, "high energy coaches" have taken the place of good coaches these days. My guess is it is a product of television, but who knows.

I agree, but for different reasons. Before I do that though, this ASSUMES the Zips are going to have a new coach next year. I'm not ready to believe that is going to happen, but it is fun discussion. A quick glance at the MAC shows it is a high scoring league at the top. We want to get to the top. Bringing in a defensive coach is not what the Zips need. Guys who coach defenese never take offense very seriously and their offenses and teams fall apart because of it. In many ways, they aren't very smart. The Zips aren't even going to hit their point total of 187 from last season. Sad is the only word to describe it/them. We would need a guy who could throw some points up on the board and get some interest in the program again. I'm not even going to make fun of the Zips at this point and I have a serious reason for not doing it. Making fun of the Zips right now is like making fun of a retarded person. There is nothing funny AT ALL about it. It's just mean spirited.

They played on a summer tour together. They should be further along.