Sugar Bowl

[johnnyzip84]

There's a long way to go, but I am loving it as Utah is off to an early 21-0 lead over the Crimson Tide. May I assume that most of us enjoy seeing the "BCS Buster" doing well?

[ZachTheZip]

It's a good thing. I want to see Utah blow away Alabama so there is absolutely no doubt who the better team is.This is the BCS committee's worst nightmare. Boise State was not as bad, since it was a very close game and you could say they got lucky to win.

[johnnyzip84]

Final Score Utah 31 Alabama 17Wow, it's sure nice seeing a BCS conference team getting their lunch handed to them in a BCS bowl Now I'm probably in the minority in that I actually think the BCS system itself is a great deal better than the old "bowl tie-in" system (even though it's not a 16 team playoff like I'd prefer). But they (the BCS) are really going to have to reconsider the Big East getting an automatic bid over the Mountain West. I mean, you could actually argue that Utah deserved as much of a shot to be in the BCS National Championship as anyone else this year.

[Buckzip]

Final Score Utah 31 Alabama 17Wow, it's sure nice seeing a BCS conference team getting their lunch handed to them in a BCS bowl Now I'm probably in the minority in that I actually think the BCS system itself is a great deal better than the old "bowl tie-in" system (even though it's not a 16 team playoff like I'd prefer). But they (the BCS) are really going to have to reconsider the Big East getting an automatic bid over the Mountain West. I mean, you could actually argue that Utah deserved as much of a shot to be in the BCS National Championship as anyone else this year.

Utah played a lights out game. I was loving it. I agree, Utah beat a top 5 team worse than Florida did and Florida is in the NC game.

[Big Zip]

The Big East has to be worried this morning. There is no way Cincy deserved to be in a BCS bowl. This is a team that barely beat a mediocre Zips team this year. I know they didn't have their starting QB for the whole game, but c'mon they are a BCS school and should have beat us like a drum, right? The Big East is losing credibility as I type.

[Blue & Gold]

I was loving every minute of the game last night. Utah's coach did say that he would vote his team #1. But I was hoping either he or a player would have said "The BCS talking heads can, and obviously will, say whatever they want to say, but we are the REAL National Champions!"

[UAZipster0305]

Final Score Utah 31 Alabama 17Wow, it's sure nice seeing a BCS conference team getting their lunch handed to them in a BCS bowl Now I'm probably in the minority in that I actually think the BCS system itself is a great deal better than the old "bowl tie-in" system (even though it's not a 16 team playoff like I'd prefer). But they (the BCS) are really going to have to reconsider the Big East getting an automatic bid over the Mountain West. I mean, you could actually argue that Utah deserved as much of a shot to be in the BCS National Championship as anyone else this year.

Utah played a lights out game. I was loving it. I agree, Utah beat a top 5 team worse than Florida did and Florida is in the NC game.

And Utah is undefeated. Florida has a loss.Agree with BigZip and johnnyzip that the Big East is not worthy of an automatic BCS game. Their basketball prowess is carrying the conference.

[GP1]

Congratulations to former Zips assistant coach Aaron Alford for being part of the win last night. For those of you who did not know Aaron, you really missed out on knowing a great guy.Watching west coast football is a lot of fun because of the wide open nature of the game. The PAC 10, WAC and Mountain West are excellent conferences with a lot of talented teams. Too bad their league offices signed television contracts with VS and FOX Sports. They need to get with the ESPN family and send the Big Ten off to VS, The Big Ten Network and FOX Sports. The quality of football we would get to watch in the east would be vastly improved by moving a second tier conference like the Big Ten off to second tier networks where they belong. I'm not even trying to be a hater. The Big Ten is awful with little entertaining value and there is no end in sight. I guess after tOSU gets routed by Texas next week, the Big Ten can hang their hat on the big Iowa win over a typically unmotivated South Carolina team. I don't think excluding the Big East from BCS is a good idea. Keeping them and including the Mountain West is the way to go. Bring in Fresno State, Hawai'i and Boise State to the Mountain West and they would have one heck of a conference. It would immediately become the fourth best conference in the country behind (in any order) the PAC 10, Big 12 and SEC.

[skip-zip]

A few more thoughts....As far as the Big East argument goes, wouldn't that just add to the controversy by re-evaluating conferences to decide which will get automatic bids, and which will not?My beef with the entire BCS system is that it sure seems designed to make sure that the national championship cannot be won by a team outside the BCS conferences.....and the major bowl games will be occupied by the "name" programs. If Utah cannot get into the championship game, with a 13-0 record, and several wins over ranked teams, then who ever will? And if that's the case, what we have in place is not fair.And on top of that, when the system allows for Boise to be passed over to give an "at large" to the Suckeyes, then it shows there is an arbitrary element to the system, which will always lean in favor of the "name" schools. It also shows that attendance and money mean even more than wins and losses....and more importantly....your actual BCS rank.So...are we trying to decide who the best football team in the country is? Or, are we trying to make money?

[bobbyake]

If anyone drops from the BCS, its gotta' be the ACC or the Big Ten. Both are the weakest of the "big 6."

[MDZip]

The Utah win does give some credence to the "plus 1" idea that is being bandied about. I think it would be a lot of fun to have Utah play the winner of Florida/OU which is likely what the plus 1 would get you. That way it would be a little more fair to the "lesser" schools to get a shot. But as far as the bowls go, the idea is to make money. The National Championship games crowns the "champion". all others exist to make money, that's why the name schools will usually get the nod because their fans will travel and make more money for the bowl. As far as the comment about the PAC-10 being in the upper tier of football, if so, it is only by default, after USC there isn't much left. I'd put MWC third this year behind the SEC and Big 12, solely by the results on the field.

[Blue & Gold]

Once again the BCS is a mess. We need a playoff system; a plus-1 system wouldn't cut it this year. Utah is definitely deserving of a shot. USC looked scary good until they got bored after halftime. After Texas beats OSU they'll be deserving of a shot, having beaten OU on the field. It's a mess. Utah is my national champion. Florida & OU are playing for #2. Computer geeks can go make their sims characters cry - Utah is 13-0 on the football field. Screw the BCS. Screw the NCAA. Screw the "Big 6" conferences. Screw the cigar-smoke-filled back rooms. Screw the status quo. And screw OSU for stealing Boise State's spot in a BCS game. What a mockery of justice.

[skip-zip]

Blue and Gold...there again is part of the injustice. Even though Utah is 13-0, and has a resume to be a national champion....do you really think that even a +1 system would give them a shot? Highly unlikely!!Texas would surely get the shot at the Florida/Oklahoma winner. And if not them, it would almost surely be USC. And why does it end up this way? Because the "name" teams from the so-called "best" conferences occupy all of the top spots in the preseason polls. It makes it nearly impossible for Utah, or anyone like them, to get into that #1 or #2 spot by season's end.As far as I am concerned....Utah is the National Champion.

[RowdyZip]

Blue and Gold...there again is part of the injustice. Even though Utah is 13-0, and has a resume to be a national champion....do you really think that even a +1 system would give them a shot? Highly unlikely!!Texas would surely get the shot at the Florida/Oklahoma winner. And if not them, it would almost surely be USC. And why does it end up this way? Because the "name" teams from the so-called "best" conferences occupy all of the top spots in the preseason polls. It makes it nearly impossible for Utah, or anyone like them, to get into that #1 or #2 spot by season's end.As far as I am concerned....Utah is the National Champion.

The BCS is a farce. There needs to be a playoff, but I'm not sure how it would even be done. Even if you do the top 6 or 8 teams, you're still leaving out a team like (then) 12-0 Boise State. And what if Ball State would've finished strong and beaten the Bulls? They'd be 13-0 and not have cracked the top ten. If you do rid college football of the BCS, I'm not sure what other way could make others happy. The BCS will remain because the "Haves" want to keep the money from the "have nots. Nevermind the fact that a "have not" just throttled an SEC team that held the #1 national ranking in all major polls for 1/3 of the season. :nono:

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

PLAYOFF SYSTEM. That's all that really needs to be said about where we should be headed.SeeTeeZipper

[Zipgrad01]

Once again the BCS is a mess. We need a playoff system; a plus-1 system wouldn't cut it this year. Utah is definitely deserving of a shot. USC looked scary good until they got bored after halftime. After Texas beats OSU they'll be deserving of a shot, having beaten OU on the field. It's a mess. Utah is my national champion. Florida & OU are playing for #2. Computer geeks can go make their sims characters cry - Utah is 13-0 on the football field. Screw the BCS. Screw the NCAA. Screw the "Big 6" conferences. Screw the cigar-smoke-filled back rooms. Screw the status quo. And screw OSU for stealing Boise State's spot in a BCS game. What a mockery of justice.

You absolutely crack me up with your tirades. Boise State was a joke. TCU doubled them in yardage and would have beaten them by 4 touchdowns if they didn't continuously turn the ball over due to the layoff rust. Boise State had no business being anywhere near a BCS bowl game. OSU would pound Boise State as would probably every other team in a BCS bowl this year with exception of Cincinnati.I do agree with you that we need a playoff system, but to call Oklahoma and Florida out is just ridiculous. Utah is a very good team, but lets be real....they didn't go undefeated playing Miami (Fl), Tennessee, Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida State and Alabama!!!! That is who Florida played this year. Anyone can get up for one game, but I want to see Utah get up for ALL of those. Florida destroyed all these SEC teams. Look at the schedule and results. Sat, Aug 30 Hawaii W 56-10 Sat, Sep 6 Miami (FL) W 26-3 Sat, Sep 20 at Tennessee W 30-6 Sat, Sep 27 Mississippi L 30-31 Sat, Oct 4 at Arkansas W 38-7 Sat, Oct 11 (4) LSU W 51-21 Sat, Oct 25 Kentucky W 63-5 Sat, Nov 1 at (8) Georgia W 49-10 Sat, Nov 8 at Vanderbilt W 42-14 Sat, Nov 15 (24) South Carolina W 56-6 Sat, Nov 22 Citadel W 70-19 Sat, Nov 29 at (23) Florida State W 45-15 Sat, Dec 6 (1) Alabama W 31-20Utah played a worthless Michigan team that Toledo beat, Oregon State and TCU. That is it. at Michigan W 25-23 -- Sat, Sep 6 UNLV W 42-21 -- Sat, Sep 13 at Utah State W 58-10 -- Sat, Sep 20 at Air Force W 30-23 -- Sat, Sep 27 Weber State W 37-21 -- Thu, Oct 2 Oregon State W 31-28 -- Sat, Oct 11 at Wyoming W 40-7 -- Sat, Oct 18 Colorado State W 49-16 -- Sat, Nov 1 at New Mexico W 13-10 -- Thu, Nov 6 (11) TCU W 13-10 -- Sat, Nov 15 at San Diego State W 63-14 -- Sat, Nov 22 (16) Brigham Young W 48-24

[bobbyake]

OSU would pound Boise State

This is the funniest thing I've heard on this board in awhile. I doubt OSU could even pound Cincinnati. Infact, Cincinnati is probably the best team in Ohio. You think that Cinci looked bad against Virginia Tech, wait until you see what Texas does.

[ZachTheZip]

I wouldn't mind a 16-team playoff. 5 at-large teams would be fair, and you can set it up so that it takes the same amount of time as the bowl season. You can even keep a few of the better bowls as rewards to the teams that were eliminated in the playoffs. No more of this 6-6 teams bowling crap. Nobody wants to watch that.

[Buckzip]

OSU would pound Boise State

This is the funniest thing I've heard on this board in awhile. I doubt OSU could even pound Cincinnati. Infact, Cincinnati is probably the best team in Ohio. You think that Cinci looked bad against Virginia Tech, wait until you see what Texas does.

You obviously know nothing about college football. ROFLMAO

[Blue & Gold]

And why does it end up this way? Because the "name" teams from the so-called "best" conferences occupy all of the top spots in the preseason polls. It makes it nearly impossible for Utah, or anyone like them, to get into that #1 or #2 spot by season's end.

This is a very big part of the problem. An 8-team playoff would be nice. A 16-team playoff would be great! But I think most of us would settle for an 8-team tourney IF - IF we do away with the abominable preseason polls. The preseason polls stack the deck in favor of the Big 6 conferences. Neither Utah, Boise State, nor TCU will be anywhere near the Top 10 in the preseason polls next year. If they're in the Top 25 they will be between 20 - 25. Who will be ranked preseason? Your typicals. OSU for sure Heck, Michigan and Notre Dame will probably be preseason #3 & 4, respectively It's a scam and they know it.However, the preseason polls aren't simply unjust to the non-BCS conferences, but to any team not ranked highly in the preseason rankings. Wasn't it just 5 or 6 years ago that Auburn began the season with a low preseason ranking, went undefeated, and was yet still unable to climb out of the hole that the low preseason ranking had put them in right from the start? The Big 6 conferences & $$-struck media know how this works (and are quite happy about it). Oh, and both TCU and Boise State would run all over OSU. OSU's D wouldn't know which way was up. It's still so wierd to me, and I think everyone else as well, but the Big 10 really does suck. Not quite as bad as the MAC, mind you, but almost. I can't believe it's come to the point where I'd actually say that and sincerely mean it. Oh, well. Not that I mind!

[Quickzips]

Make no mistake about it, a playoff system is a HORRIBLE idea for mid-major programs. You think it is bad with the BCS, just wait until you see a playoff system. Want proof of what the NCAA can do to screw mid-major teams with a playoff system go take a look at what they have done to our soccer team over the last few years. Mid-majors might not have much of a shot at this point for a National Championship, but just the fact that there is some legitimate talk that maybe Utah should get a share of the national title shows that we are working in the right direction. Who knows. Give it another couple years and the schedules may work out to where one conference picks up some huge OOC wins, gets 4-5 teams ranked in the top 25 and has their conference champion get a 1 or 2 ranking in the BCS. That is NEVER going to happen with a playoff where the seeding is subjective and essentially made up, but with the computer rankings in the BCS it isn't entirely impossible for a mid-major to make it into the national championship game. Anyone who is a fan of mid-major football needs to be fighting this playoff idea with everything they have. It's just another idea to keep the little guy down.

[zen]

24-team playoff, 11 automatic berths for conference champion, 13 at-large.That's my vote.

Yeah, I think it needs at least 24 teams.I always hear about 8 or maybe 16, but playoffs like that doesn't solve the problem of giving a shot to the undefeated outside teams and you end up with the same situation as before with the same lot of teams getting their straws picked at the end of the year.

[GP1]

If anyone takes an expanded view of college football, they will see what a disaster the playoff system has been for the lower divisions of college football. A playoff has created a situation where there are really only a very small number of good teams that could actually win the championship. For the fourth straight year, Mt. Union and Wis. WW have made it to the finals of DIII. Someone please tell me how that is good for DIII and why the same thing would not happen in D-1. Nearly the same thing can be said for the other divisioins. SW Missour, Montana, App. State, Grand Valley State, etc. are the same teams that make it every year. The only reason the other divisions have a playoff is it is the only thing to get excited about for lower division college football. I would argue that it isn't even that exciting. It certainly is not exciting enough to fill the small stadiums they play the championship games in. I can't stand to watch more than 15 minutes of those games.If crowning a tournament champion is what everyone wants (remember, the NCAA BB tournament only crowns the winner of the tournament that they call National Champion. The best team throughout the year does not always win.), then regular season college football will become irrelevant as the regular season bb schedule. In college football, every game counts. The same can not be said for college basketball.I also think a lot of people who want a playoff have never gone to a really good bowl at a really good place. Last week I went to the Car Care Bowl (an average bowl and in the winter time an average place) and there were 73,000 fans at the game. The night before, the streets of Charlotte were packed with WVU and UNC fans having a great time and spending a lot of money. Win or lose, those players and fans had a great time during what is probably only one or two of the vacations they take all year. In addition, thousands of dollars were raised for local charities including various childrens hospitals and university scholarship funds. Wouldn't it be nice that if at the end of the college football career a player could to say, "I played in a couple of bowls that helped to raise tens of thousands of dollars for medical cures." With a playoff, the player would say, "We lost in the second round of the playoffs." Which of these scenarios creates a better person and fulfills the mission of the NCAA?This year, around 30 schools will go home happy because they made a bowl and won the bowl. Another half will at least be happy they made a bowl and while upset they lost the game, they may have had a really good vacation and rooted on their team. With a playoff, only one school is happy. I don't see how that is good for college football or the member universities.In addition, how much are you guys willing to pay the players who make the playoffs? The NFL pays players additionally for making the playoffs, why wouldn't the NCAA? If the purpose of the playoff is to create excitement that will sell shirts and tickets and make money, why wouldn't the players be allowed to share in the profits. I say pay the players $20,000 per scholarship player per game. A playoff exposes future NFL players to potential career injuries. How much are you guys willing to insure the players for in case they get hurt during the marathon playoff season?For those of you who want a playoff, how would you level the recruiting playing field? There would be a huge recruiting advantage that would upset the talent balance throughout the NCAA. See the other divisions to see how unbalanced they are with the same teams making the playoffs every year. I hope I have made my point about a playoff. It is really not necessary and the playoff will intrude into the greatest playoffs of all, the NFL. The real solution is what Todd Blackledge wants. All college bowl games will be over by January 1 with all BCS games being played on December 31 or January 1. At the end of those two days, two teams are picked to play a week later. That's all we need. Something as rediculous as a 24 team playoff is just stupid. There are only about 4-5 teams right now that could be considered the best. Who in the heck is ranked 24 right now that could beat Texas, OK, USC or even Florida?Lastly, if there was more money in a playoff, don't you think those greedy athletic directors around the country would have one already? Hint, there is more money in bowls than a playoff.

[GP1]

OSU would pound Boise State

This is the funniest thing I've heard on this board in awhile. I doubt OSU could even pound Cincinnati. Infact, Cincinnati is probably the best team in Ohio. You think that Cinci looked bad against Virginia Tech, wait until you see what Texas does.

You obviously know nothing about college football. ROFLMAO

Enlighten us then. Why is a team like OSU, who has not beaten a team with a decent level of athletic talent in 3 years now, such a great team that Cincy couldn't beat them? What of the three following conferences could OSU win: PAC 10, Big 12 or SEC? How high in the standings would they finish in those three conferences? What is so great about the Big Ten that OSU would wipe the floor with the ACC champion?

[Zipmeister]

24-team playoff, 11 automatic berths for conference champion, 13 at-large.That's my vote.

Thats an idea. Let's see how that would work out. 24, 12, 6, 3, whoops.No problem, after the final 3 teams are determined, we put them all in a no holds barred pro-style wrastlin' cage match to the death to determine the final 2 teams.