ZachTheZip Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 OVC commish named new head of the MACNo experience in big-time football, and most OVC fans blame him for their conference's decline in basketball.My guess is that he's a yes-man for the university presidents that want to scale back MAC athletics or ignore them completely. I smell a conference split soon. We'll take Buffalo, Toledo, and the others who are serious about sports and let the rest rot in FCS obscurity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips fan Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 What is your source for OVC fans blaming him for a decline in basketball? The article is complimentary and he appears to have moved their conference forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksu sucks Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 What is your source for OVC fans blaming him for a decline in basketball? The article is complimentary and he appears to have moved their conference forward.I saw a post in the Ncaabbs forums.Here.Post # 20.Let's not trust the words of one disgruntled OVC fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 OVC followers surely can't be happy about having to be in the "play-in" game this year. I believe this is unprecidented for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Folks...there's more important questions here.....As someone who was heavily involved in Zips athletics back in the OVC days, I don't necessarily feel as if a former OVC commish is a bad idea. For right now, I'll trust that the people in our league felt that this person was ready to make a move upward, and had the talent to do the things we need to accomplish. No..there's not going to be a split. The majority of our members have been around for decades. In fact, some of my fellow old timers might even remember that it was a long fight just to get INTO this conference. I'm willing to see what this guy has in mind for the league, and give him a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Folks...there's more important questions here.....As someone who was heavily involved in Zips athletics back in the OVC days, I don't necessarily feel as if a former OVC commish is a bad idea. For right now, I'll trust that the people in our league felt that this person was ready to make a move upward, and had the talent to do the things we need to accomplish. No..there's not going to be a split. The majority of our members have been around for decades. In fact, some of my fellow old timers might even remember that it was a long fight just to get INTO this conference. I'm willing to see what this guy has in mind for the league, and give him a chance.I remember how, for years, we used to blame Can't State for preventing us from getting into the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips fan Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football.Who is willing to move down? I have never seen anything to suggest that any program is seriously considering this move. Has any program ever moved down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football.Who is willing to move down? I have never seen anything to suggest that any program is seriously considering this move. Has any program ever moved down?Guys like Vandelay have said that some if not many of the MAC presidents want to drop to 1-AA and maintain a "business as usual" view on athletics but are being forced to play their hand by guys like Proenza who are aggressively trying to improve their programs, although Nick won't name which presidents are which (it's fairly obvious when you look at which schools are doing what). Some teams have moved down in the past I believe, but none recently.Anyways, it's all detailed here. Plenty of links to the other school's message boards and their views on the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I liked that he had a streaming video presence for the OVC. Maybe we can finally get some traction on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 here's a link that covers two topics....the new commissioner and the scheduling issues with in the conferenceclick me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football.Who is willing to move down? I have never seen anything to suggest that any program is seriously considering this move. Has any program ever moved down?Closest geographically and semi-recent example - University of Dayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips fan Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football.Who is willing to move down? I have never seen anything to suggest that any program is seriously considering this move. Has any program ever moved down?Closest geographically and semi-recent example - University of Dayton.I am pretty sure Dayton never had a DI-A program. It would benefit the MAC if we were able to shed some programs that not pulling their weight. You are right that several schools are not pursueing excellence within their program rather looking for the easy fiscal answer. Let them drop, I would be happy to see our conference remain with the best eight schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksu sucks Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nothing would make me happier then to see Can't State drop to FCS. Truth is, right now, Can't State doing well can help us. That wouldn't be true if they left FBS. Plus, if they dropped to FCS, their fans would be mortified . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The people in charge of hiring this guy are the university presidents. Keep that in mind. About half of them would be willing to drop down to the FCS level in football.Who is willing to move down? I have never seen anything to suggest that any program is seriously considering this move. Has any program ever moved down?Closest geographically and semi-recent example - University of Dayton.I am pretty sure Dayton never had a DI-A program. It would benefit the MAC if we were able to shed some programs that not pulling their weight. You are right that several schools are not pursueing excellence within their program rather looking for the easy fiscal answer. Let them drop, I would be happy to see our conference remain with the best eight schools.Two questions........how old are you?Wanna place a wager based on your knowledge of Dayton football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The MAC is already insignificant. The league has been around since 1946.For those of you who think a president of the MAC can reform the league by negotiating better outcomes with BCS schools, answer this question. What bargaining power or position of strength does a MAC president have against the larger BCS schools? Below are the answers I came up with:1. Get mad2. Get really mad3. Stomp feet4. Pound fist5. Pound table6. Pound table and stomp feet simultaneously7. Hold breath until face turns purple8. Tell BCS ADs they are being mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uafan Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I am pretty sure Dayton never had a DI-A program. It would benefit the MAC if we were able to shed some programs that not pulling their weight. You are right that several schools are not pursueing excellence within their program rather looking for the easy fiscal answer. Let them drop, I would be happy to see our conference remain with the best eight schools.Two questions........how old are you?Wanna place a wager based on your knowledge of Dayton football?I'll straighten this up right now.....Dayton was most definitely a D-1 football program until the mid 70's, playing a MAC level schedule against teams like Miami, Ball State and Cincy. We dropped to D-III for a few years until the NCAA said we had too much of an advantage with the money from our basketball program, and they instituted the "Dayton rule", where we could not be D-I in one sport and D-III in football. So we moved up to D-IA, non-scholarship, where we are now. And now you've had your history lesson for today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I am pretty sure Dayton never had a DI-A program. It would benefit the MAC if we were able to shed some programs that not pulling their weight. You are right that several schools are not pursueing excellence within their program rather looking for the easy fiscal answer. Let them drop, I would be happy to see our conference remain with the best eight schools.I'll straighten this up right now.....Dayton was most definitely a D-1 football program until the mid 70's, playing a MAC level schedule against teams like Miami, Ball State and Cincy. We dropped to D-III for a few years until the NCAA said we had too much of an advantage with the money from our basketball program, and they instituted the "Dayton rule", where we could not be D-I in one sport and D-III in football. So we moved up to D-IA, non-scholarship, where we are now. And now you've had your history lesson for today.And hence was created the bizarre world of non-scholly FCS (1-AA), with teams like Dayton, Drake (an old Zip foe), Georgetown, Duquesne, Fordham, Colgate (the whole Patriot League), the Ivies, etc. It's really pretty strange when you think of it, though I understand the "power" teams in this division (Colgate having been in the FCS CHAMPIONSHIP game recently) manage to compete by taking advantage of a decent gridiron tradition and by offering "creative" financial aid packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only division that does not offer scholarships is D-3. They are offered grants in aid. The other divisions are dtermined by the number of schoalrships that are issued, practice time, spring practice and number of spring practices are among the determinants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only division that does not offer scholarships is D-3. They are offered grants in aid. The other divisions are dtermined by the number of schoalrships that are issued, practice time, spring practice and number of spring practices are among the determinants.and FCS-non scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only division that does not offer scholarships is D-3. They are offered grants in aid. The other divisions are dtermined by the number of schoalrships that are issued, practice time, spring practice and number of spring practices are among the determinants.Your lack of knowledge is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Sorry to disappoint you guys, but as I stated b4, ONLY d-3 schools DO NOT give scholarships. FCS. Although, there are some leagues (Patriot & Ivy League) that do not allow schoalrships for football.Scholarships: Division-I FBS schools (except the service academies) are allotted a total of 85 players receiving financial assistance. For competitive reasons, and due to the fact that a student on partial scholarship counts fully against the total of 85, virtually all FBS schools award full scholarships. Division I FCS schools are currently allotted financial assistance amounting to a total of 63 full scholarships. Unlike those in FBS, FCS institutions may give partial assistance; they have no limit as to the overall number of players receiving such. There are also several FCS schools (mid-major) that offer no football scholarships or grants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Sorry to disappoint you guys, but as I stated b4, ONLY d-3 schools DO NOT give scholarships. FCS. Although, there are some leagues (Patriot & Ivy League) that do not allow schoalrships for football.Scholarships: Division-I FBS schools (except the service academies) are allotted a total of 85 players receiving financial assistance. For competitive reasons, and due to the fact that a student on partial scholarship counts fully against the total of 85, virtually all FBS schools award full scholarships. Division I FCS schools are currently allotted financial assistance amounting to a total of 63 full scholarships. Unlike those in FBS, FCS institutions may give partial assistance; they have no limit as to the overall number of players receiving such. There are also several FCS schools (mid-major) that offer no football scholarships or grants.Truly amazing. I'll bet you are really good at 'book learnen.' Did you read the last sentence of your quote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Sorry to disappoint you guys, but as I stated b4, ONLY d-3 schools DO NOT give scholarships. FCS. Although, there are some leagues (Patriot & Ivy League) that do not allow schoalrships for football.Scholarships: Division-I FBS schools (except the service academies) are allotted a total of 85 players receiving financial assistance. For competitive reasons, and due to the fact that a student on partial scholarship counts fully against the total of 85, virtually all FBS schools award full scholarships. Division I FCS schools are currently allotted financial assistance amounting to a total of 63 full scholarships. Unlike those in FBS, FCS institutions may give partial assistance; they have no limit as to the overall number of players receiving such. There are also several FCS schools (mid-major) that offer no football scholarships or grants.Truly amazing. I'll bet you are really good at 'book learnen.' Did you read the last sentence of your quote? :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm perfectly content to just sit back and watch akronad wail away on himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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