Dan LeFevour

[Captain Kangaroo]

The most overrated QB in recent MAC history, Dan LeFevour, had another stellar performance against a BCS school on Saturday night.Tore up Arizona (no threat for a BCS bowl bid, trust me) for a whopping 108 yards. He continues to live off his sophomore season.Passing Cmp-Att-Int Yds TD Long Sack--------------------------------------------LeFEVOUR, Dan 18-31-1 108 0 16 2

[psc2009]

Just a few weeks ago, I was arguing with Graham Couch (the WMU beat writer) about this. He doesn't even think that LeFevour is the best quarterback on his team.

[bigzipguy]

But he BETTER THAN CJ!!!!!

[Captain Kangaroo]

But he BETTER THAN CJ!!!!!

That's not a tremendous accomplishment.And, there isn't a 60-foot tall picture of CJ in downtown Cleveland.

[GP1]

I'd be interested in knowing what he has around him. His first two years, they were loaded. Frankly, we gave away a game there Getsy's last season. Strange things happen to us up there.

[Lee Adams]

CMU...12th rated passing offense in DI last year...i suppose since this guy is so overrated the Zips should handle them up there on the 27th?

[Dr Z]

LeFevour Stuns 14.5 Point Favorite Michigan State

[Captain Kangaroo]

I maintain the guy is way over-hyped. He played a decent game against a BCS team for the first time in his life. Good for him. Jacquemain tore up Syracuse too. Don't look for Michigan State in the Rose Bowl this season.For me, this will be a fun thread to recap on a weekly basis.

[johnnyzip84]

I think he's a good college QB who is, for the most part, a product of a system. I look at him as a "poor man's" Alex Smith, whose skills will translate even worse (than Smith's) at the next level. Both can run the collegiate spread offense quite effectively (in LeFevour's case, particularly in conference games). Even if he wins the MAC again, I highly doubt if he'll be drafted (unless the goofy "wildcat" sticks around longer than I suspect.....someone could possibly want him for that).

[GP1]

I maintain the guy is way over-hyped. He played a decent game against a BCS team for the first time in his life. Good for him. Jacquemain tore up Syracuse too. Don't look for Michigan State in the Rose Bowl this season.For me, this will be a fun thread to recap on a weekly basis.

Captain Kangaroo,I just received an e-mail from LeFevour. He says he is preparing a special note for you after the CMU vs UofA game and asked that I keep a look out for it and pass it along to you on this board when I get it. Stay tuned....

[Dr Z]

I think he's a good college QB who is, for the most part, a product of a system. I look at him as a "poor man's" Alex Smith, whose skills will translate even worse (than Smith's) at the next level. Both can run the collegiate spread offense quite effectively (in LeFevour's case, particularly in conference games). Even if he wins the MAC again, I highly doubt if he'll be drafted (unless the goofy "wildcat" sticks around longer than I suspect.....someone could possibly want him for that).

Spread the news: More teams adopting wide-open scheme that helps QBsGiven the impact and overwhelming success of the spread on the college level, it was only a matter of time before savvy NFL coaches started to study the offense and implement some of the basics into their game plans.Look at any NFL game each week, and the bubble screen, shovel pass or zone-read will pop up throughout the course of the contest. While those plays existed long before the spread became the rage, the innovative system has made them hallmarks of the offense. And their big-play potential has led to their incorporation into most NFL game plans.Two seasons ago, the New England Patriots shattered several league records using spread-offense basics as part of their game plan. Their countless quick screens to wide receivers Wes Welker and Randy Moss were taken right from the pages of a spread offense’s playbookWSJ Article on the SpreadWay Out On a Limb: The first time I seen Dan, I loved his mechanics, the second time I had this feeling was Saturday Sept 5th watching Patrick Nicely warm up in Happy Valley.

[johnnyzip84]

I will grant you, good Doctor, that many elements of the spread have migrated to the NFL with great success. One particular aspect of the spread that I have yet to see a STARTING NFL QB run is the read-option. This is a major weapon in LeFevour's arsenal, IMO.

[Dr Z]

I will grant you, good Doctor, that many elements of the spread have migrated to the NFL with great success. One particular aspect of the spread that I have yet to see a STARTING NFL QB run is the read-option. This is a major weapon in LeFevour's arsenal, IMO.

Dan had 10 yards rushing Saturday. He doesn't need to run, but it is appealing to have a guy that is hard to sack. Think of the last guy that won the SB. IMO Pat White is the type of QB that NEEDS to run. I watched his first NFL pass Sunday....oh boy.

[johnnyzip84]

I will grant you, good Doctor, that many elements of the spread have migrated to the NFL with great success. One particular aspect of the spread that I have yet to see a STARTING NFL QB run is the read-option. This is a major weapon in LeFevour's arsenal, IMO.

Dan had 10 yards rushing Saturday. He doesn't need to run, but it is appealing to have a guy that is hard to sack. Think of the last guy that won the SB. IMO Pat White is the type of QB that NEEDS to run. I watched his first NFL pass Sunday....oh boy.

If he continues to do this, then perhaps there has been a "wrinkle" thrown into Dan's game. One look at his career stats shows how effective he has been at running the ball, especially in his sophomore year. Note, the Chips only TD against Arizona was.........a LeFevour run.Career Stats

[bandzip]

About that overrated quarterback....

[vmd9]

About that overrated quarterback....

He is overrated even Brady Quinn could have played a good game against the awful zips defense. He may be an ok MAC quarterback but he's not that great. Cannot even compare to Tebow and McCoy. He's not even in the top40 for pass yards or qb rating

[CMichFan]

He is overrated even Brady Quinn could have played a good game against the awful zips defense. He may be an ok MAC quarterback but he's not that great. Cannot even compare to Tebow and McCoy. He's not even in the top40 for pass yards or qb rating

[GP1]

He is overrated even Brady Quinn could have played a good game against the awful zips defense. He may be an ok MAC quarterback but he's not that great. Cannot even compare to Tebow and McCoy. He's not even in the top40 for pass yards or qb rating

Oh, that's real classy CMichFan. I would expect that out of a school that produced a QB that passed along a letter to me to forward to one of our posters today. You can see it on another thread started by GP1. You're all a real class bunch. Learn to win with class. Your QB should be out studying...instead, he is writing letters to be posted on this board.

[Captain Kangaroo]

To clarify my position on Dan LeFevour:I have stated he is overrated, and folds against BCS competition. I stand by that statement.He's racked up a ton of yardage vs. a weak MAC. I give him credit. His overall numbers don't lie. But against big-time competition, he typically comes up short. Guys like Pennington, Roethlisberger and Leftwich seemed to come out ahead in a fair percentage of such games.Dan's BCS bio --2007Boston College - Loss 31-24Michigan - Loss 41 - 17Ke.n.t.ucky - Loss 46 - 362007Kansas - Loss 52 - 7Purdue - Loss 45 -22Clemson - Loss 70 - 14Purdue (MCB) - Loss 51 - 482008Georgia - Loss 56 - 17Purdue - Loss 32 - 25Indiana - Win 37 - 34Florida Atlantic (MCB) - Loss 24 - 212009 Arizona - Loss 19 - 6Michigan State - Win 29 - 27The guy pounds the MAC, but I don't place him as an all-time MAC great because he came up short in too many big games.Maybe this is the year he elevates his game and beats someone of note in a bowl game? It could happen. Maybe he is to me what Charlie Frye is to GP1? Could be.But, in how I rate all-time great MAC QB's, the guy is categorized "1-a." A rating of "1" being the highest.I don't think the guy sucks. I'd kill to have him on the Zips right now. But I don't think the body of his work merits a 60-foot tall banner. I'd have made it 52.5 feet tall.Time to move on...my goal now is to make Boo Jackson PM GP1.

[GP1]

Maybe he is to me what Charlie Frye is to GP1? Could be.Time to move on...my goal now is to make Boo Jackson PM GP1.

Charlie Frye? How many Championships did Frye win at UofA? The career LeFevour has has at CMU dwarfs what Frye did at UofA.As far as Boo Jackson, while the Great GP1 does know everyone in addition to knowing everything, Boo has not contacted me. I didn't go looking from the note from Dan, he sent it to me.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Maybe he is to me what Charlie Frye is to GP1? Could be.Time to move on...my goal now is to make Boo Jackson PM GP1.

Charlie Frye? How many Championships did Frye win at UofA? The career LeFevour has has at CMU dwarfs what Frye did at UofA.

Stick LeFevour with Lee Owens...with Jesse Smith as his defense's #2 cornerback for four years...it's a wash. Let's see how Dan finishes the season. He should have one more chance to get a win over a 6-6 BCS school.

[Dave in Green]

I lost all respect for LeFevour when he couldn't bring himself to face up to CK directly, but had to channel through a stooge.

[CMichFan]

Those of you looking at Dan's record against the BC$ need to look a bit further:"LeFevour long ago cemented his stature with quality performances against bigger programs. In 11 games against BCS opponents, LeFevour has thrown for 2,543 yards, 23 touchdowns and only nine interceptions. He's also rushed for 480 yards and six touchdowns."http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/813349.htmlIf you can call those numbers anything except impressive, I'd like to know what you think impressive is? BTW, in some of those games listed earlier in this thread, Dan did not play (2008 @ Indiana) or did not start (2006 @ Kentucky and vs. BC). As for the Arizona game earlier this season, Dan had an off-night -- and he wasn't alone -- but it's better than the 4-interception performance Ben Roethlisberger had against Iowa at home early in his junior campaign at Miami. Ben recovered and so has Dan.If you don't believe this, maybe you could consider that Mel Kiper lists LeFevour as his 4th-best QB for the 2010 NFL draft. While he's not perfect, I think he's proven to be a pretty fair evaluator of talent. Hope you guys can get things (QB situation, coach) worked out this week. I honestly think Rodgers isn't that bad, though. He just needs to learn to put some touch on the quick outs and work on those happy feet a bit. He already has learned from the Indiana game that there are times to tuck and run or just throw it away.

[GP1]

Those of you looking at Dan's record against the BC$ need to look a bit further:"LeFevour long ago cemented his stature with quality performances against bigger programs. In 11 games against BCS opponents, LeFevour has thrown for 2,543 yards, 23 touchdowns and only nine interceptions. He's also rushed for 480 yards and six touchdowns."http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/813349.htmlIf you can call those numbers anything except impressive, I'd like to know what you think impressive is? BTW, in some of those games listed earlier in this thread, Dan did not play (2008 @ Indiana) or did not start (2006 @ Kentucky and vs. BC). As for the Arizona game earlier this season, Dan had an off-night -- and he wasn't alone -- but it's better than the 4-interception performance Ben Roethlisberger had against Iowa at home early in his junior campaign at Miami. Ben recovered and so has Dan.If you don't believe this, maybe you could consider that Mel Kiper lists LeFevour as his 4th-best QB for the 2010 NFL draft. While he's not perfect, I think he's proven to be a pretty fair evaluator of talent. Hope you guys can get things (QB situation, coach) worked out this week. I honestly think Rodgers isn't that bad, though. He just needs to learn to put some touch on the quick outs and work on those happy feet a bit. He already has learned from the Indiana game that there are times to tuck and run or just throw it away.

CMichFan,Please don't let the fact get in the way of a good argument.Also, when you see Dan, please tell him the Great GP1 is not interested in autographing a keyboard for him. I just don't have time to send him a note.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Since GP1 loves Facts --CMichFan Wrote:

Those of you looking at Dan's record against the BC$ need to look a bit further:"LeFevour long ago cemented his stature with quality performances against bigger programs. In 11 games against BCS opponents, LeFevour has thrown for 2,543 yards, 23 touchdowns and only nine interceptions. He's also rushed for 480 yards and six touchdowns."

And what is the guy's record in those games? I'll tell you -- It's freaking 1 - 11!! LeFevour is 1-2 in Bowl games, with a 31 - 14 win against Middle Tennessee to his credit. He lost, IN DETROIT, to Florida Atlantic in last seasons MCB!?CMichFan Wrote --

BTW, in some of those games listed earlier in this thread, Dan did not play (2008 @ Indiana) or did not start (2006 @ Kentucky and vs. BC).

Thanks for the correction that he didn't play in the Indiana game...that was one win for which I erroneously gave him credit. Regarding the "He didn't start against BC and K.e.n.tucky -- He threw 37 passes against BC and 38 passes against K.e.n.t.ucky?! You act like he sat the bench...give me some credit...all the facts are EASILY searchable.CMichFan Wrote:

As for the Arizona game earlier this season, Dan had an off-night -- and he wasn't alone -- but it's better than the 4-interception performance Ben Roethlisberger had against Iowa at home early in his junior campaign at Miami.

Roethlisberger lost 21-3 AT Iowa, not in Oxford. That same season Roethlisberger BEAT BCS opponents Cincinnati, Northwestern and Louisville on his way to a 13-1 season!? He tripled LeFevour's CAREER BCS wins in a single season!CMichFan Wrote:

If you don't believe this, maybe you could consider that Mel Kiper lists LeFevour as his 4th-best QB for the 2010 NFL draft. While he's not perfect, I think he's proven to be a pretty fair evaluator of talent.

You seem to favor opinion over facts. I would too if my arguments were so devoid of facts. LeFevour tears up MAC competition. But on the big stage, he's been a big flop. That's a fact.