Frye Update

[skip-zip]

Nearly a full day after the Ravens vs. Raiders game, and the Charlie bashers seem to be remaining in hibernation once again. It’s not hard to figure out why. But, even as a Charlie supporter, I am even pleasantly surprised at some of what I've seen.1) OVER 500 yards passing in his last 6 quarters of play…part of that against one of the best defenses in the league, which was knocking him all over the place. The other part of it coming on a cold, snowy day in Cleveland, which resulted in the highest yardage total of the week in the NFL. 2) An impressive 105.4 QB rating while completing 72% of his throws against the Ravens. And not just the normal Ravens, but a Ravens defense playing with a playoff spot on the line, and Ed Reed back at Safety after missing several weeks. 3) He accomplished this with several key offensive players out of the lineup for both games, with an offensive unit that was already ranked at or near the bottom of the league in major categories. 4) He willed the Raiders down the field right before halftime for a TD drive, which included a number of great plays (including a run for a first down), when he was limping so bad he should not have even been in the game. Even the TV commentators kept talking about the accuracy of many of this throws, and his ability to make plays after playing very little over the last few years. I’m not shocked, but I am surprised at how rapidly his production progressed over the period of the few games where he has been a starter, in spite of the challenges he was facing. It’s just too bad the season is over, and he won’t have an opportunity to possibly do more. I’ll also take back what I said last week, when I said that he may not have done enough yet to show NFL execs that he’s ready for a chance to be an NFL starter again.

[Dr Z]

CF's throws looked crisp and on target yesterday. He'll be in the league on a team next season. Jamarcus Russell sucks. I wonder if they bash him on tigernation.org?

[Hilltopper]

CF's throws looked crisp and on target yesterday. He'll be in the league on a team next season. Jamarcus Russell sucks. I wonder if they bash him on tigernation.org?

Poll: What do you really think about Jamarcus RussellSee for your self!

[GP1]

Nearly a full day after the Ravens vs. Raiders game, and the Charlie bashers seem to be remaining in hibernation once again. It’s not hard to figure out why.

It's because everytime he steps on the field his team loses again. He is a big part of the losing. I don't think his "bashers" need to rehash the obvious. He almost threw a spiral yesterday...I guess that's a continuation of his "building" his career. Charlie will be on a team next year as a back-up.

[GoZips]

It's because every time he steps on the field his team loses again. He is a big part of the losing. I don't think his "bashers" need to rehash the obvious. He almost threw a spiral yesterday...I guess that's a continuation of his "building" his career. Charlie will be on a team next year as a back-up.

GP1, give it up. Your bias makes you look like an IDIOT when you see yourself as puffed uppurveyor of dumb remarks. The truth is, Charlie Frye gave an excellent account of himself in both games. Had he had a decent offensive line, say one as good as the Ravens or a myriad of other teams, He would be celebrating two late season victories.Charlie did his part. The Oakland Raiders lost two football games; not Charlie Frye.I will state this again because I have not forgotten my prediction: Charlie Frye will earn a Super Bowlring as his team's starting quarterback BEFORE the hapless Browns play in a Super Bowl game

[dgull021878]

I have to say, Charlie looked pretty good. It definitely looks like he'll be able to hang around the league for a few more years. He just looks a lot more mature and poised than when he was in Cleveland...and he still has the wheels!Am I the only one to notice he has some potent velocity on his passes? CF had some serious mustard on some fo those throws.

[GP1]

I will state this again because I have not forgotten my prediction: Charlie Frye will earn a Super Bowlring as his team's starting quarterback BEFORE the hapless Browns play in a Super Bowl game

Thank you for your kind remarks.Charlie couldn't win a MAC Championship ring. How do you expect him to win the Super Bowl? He had better hurry up because he only has four years as a back-up to earn that ring as a starter. The Browns have the next 200 years to make a Super Bowl. I'll take the Browns in that bet.

[skip-zip]

Nearly a full day after the Ravens vs. Raiders game, and the Charlie bashers seem to be remaining in hibernation once again. It’s not hard to figure out why.

It's because everytime he steps on the field his team loses again. He is a big part of the losing. I don't think his "bashers" need to rehash the obvious. He almost threw a spiral yesterday...I guess that's a continuation of his "building" his career. Charlie will be on a team next year as a back-up.

Completing 72% of his passes, against the Ravens defense, with a 105 QB rating?Yep...I'd blame the loss on him too I'm not stunned, because unlike you, I acknowledge the guy's talent. But I think that any objective observer, knowing the season-long lack of performance of the Oakland offense, Charlie's long layoff from starting, the number of key injured starters on his team, and running around on one leg for a good part of that half, would find his performance pretty darn impressive. And like an old friend always says to me....should we say Dan Marino wasn't any good because he did not win a Super Bowl?Teams win and lose....not one of the 22 individual players, who all need to be have talent, and contribute, to win games. And anyone who is paying attention knows where Oakland stands, and where the Browns stood during his time in Cleveland.

[zen]

I agree skip-zip that he has plenty of talent, and more-so, I believe he has the heart of a lion.Also, from what I have heard, he seems dedicated to learn the game over and above his peers in the league.But what he hasn't seem to have done is fixed some of his weaknesses. Learning to read defenses doesn't automatically give you pocket presence. The academic aspect is great, but there is a mental state to it that I don't feel like he has obtained. I know it's easier said that done, since we don't have to sit out there and try to work magic with million dollar freight-trains gunning for us, but he still seems to panic and force the ball where it shouldn't go too often.I didn't get to see the oakland-baltimore game... perhaps he already improved in that aspect. I know they say the game slows down the more you play in it, but unfortunately, Charlie doesn't have that luxury. He can't afford to wait 6 games to find his presence, because he's already had more shots to get back in than most guys get.

[xu9697]

Glad to be wrong, but...Charlie Frye= Charlie BatchSpot starter, solid back-up especially as he advances in years.

[Dr Z]

I didn't get to see the oakland-baltimore game.

Watch or record the game tonight (8 pm) on NFL replay. Come back tomorrow and post your thoughts. This is not just for zen, for everybody....GP1 included. If anybody has not got a chance to watch NFL replay, if you record it, you can watch the whole game in about an hour by ffwd through the commercials. They do a great job of editing the game, by taking out some of the boring 3 and outs.

[GP1]

I didn't get to see the oakland-baltimore game.

Watch or record the game tonight (8 pm) on NFL replay. Come back tomorrow and post your thoughts. This is not just for zen, for everybody....GP1 included. If anybody has not got a chance to watch NFL replay, if you record it, you can watch the whole game in about an hour by ffwd through the commercials. They do a great job of editing the game, by taking out some of the boring 3 and outs.

I saw the game Sunday from my hotel room. I've seen enough Charlie Frye over many years now to know I'm not interested. One good half isn't going to change my mind.It is the same old Charlie. High percentage of completions without the wins to back up the greatness. Maybe it is not the completion percentage that is important, but the inability to take risks down the field or at least come close on long throws that lands him on the bench.If Charlie is so good, how come there aren't teams banging down his door to have him as their starter?I understand a lot of you are fans. Personally, I've never been a fan of his football playing ability even when he was at UofA. I never thought the guy was a winner and he isn't. After what ITZ posted a couple of months ago, I have no personal respect for him at all. The only good thing I can say about him is that in a league full of horrible QBs, he fits right in with the pack.

[UAZipster0305]

I didn't get to see the oakland-baltimore game.

Watch or record the game tonight (8 pm) on NFL replay. Come back tomorrow and post your thoughts. This is not just for zen, for everybody....GP1 included. If anybody has not got a chance to watch NFL replay, if you record it, you can watch the whole game in about an hour by ffwd through the commercials. They do a great job of editing the game, by taking out some of the boring 3 and outs.

I saw the game Sunday from my hotel room. I've seen enough Charlie Frye over many years now to know I'm not interested. One good half isn't going to change my mind.It is the same old Charlie. High percentage of completions without the wins to back up the greatness. Maybe it is not the completion percentage that is important, but the inability to take risks down the field or at least come close on long throws that lands him on the bench.If Charlie is so good, how come there aren't teams banging down his door to have him as their starter?I understand a lot of you are fans. Personally, I've never been a fan of his football playing ability even when he was at UofA. I never thought the guy was a winner and he isn't. After what ITZ posted a couple of months ago, I have no personal respect for him at all. The only good thing I can say about him is that in a league full of horrible QBs, he fits right in with the pack.

What was said months ago that caused you to lose respect for him, GP1?I saw the game and thought he played great.

[Dr Z]

What was said months ago that caused you to lose respect for him, GP1?

I'm only guessing, but see post #11 in this thread.Keep in mind when reading this, this is written from a story somebody told ITZ written years latter. If everything in the post was true, keep in mind CF was what 19 at the time??? This post didn't change my mind one way or another about Charlie, he can play on my football team.

[GP1]

What was said months ago that caused you to lose respect for him, GP1?

I'm only guessing, but see post #11 in this thread.Keep in mind when reading this, this is written from a story somebody told ITZ written years latter. If everything in the post was true, keep in mind CF was what 19 at the time??? This post didn't change my mind one way or another about Charlie, he can play on my football team.

ITZ is a good source of information about the Owens years.Spare me. He was going to be a fifth year senior tinkering with thoughts of leaving for the NFL early. He would have been at least 21 and not some poor small town kid duped by his elders. He showed extremely poor leadership.You can have him on your team as long as that team is not the Steelers. I don't want him on mine.

[UAZipster0305]

What was said months ago that caused you to lose respect for him, GP1?

I'm only guessing, but see post #11 in this thread.Keep in mind when reading this, this is written from a story somebody told ITZ written years latter. If everything in the post was true, keep in mind CF was what 19 at the time??? This post didn't change my mind one way or another about Charlie, he can play on my football team.

Thanks, Dr. Z.You can argue the merits of that alleged situation, but I like that he showed leadership and stood up for the people and things he believed in.I'm a Frye fan and if anyone says he downright sucks and is a loser, I question their loyalty to UA as a whole.

[GP1]

I'm a Frye fan and if anyone says he downright sucks and is a loser, I question their loyalty to UA as a whole.

Couldn't we question Frye's loyalty to UofA? I mean, the school made a decision and he went against the decision.

[UAZipster0305]

I'm a Frye fan and if anyone says he downright sucks and is a loser, I question their loyalty to UA as a whole.

Couldn't we question Frye's loyalty to UofA? I mean, the school made a decision and he went against the decision.

A player is responsible primarily to his team and coaches. If Frye wanted to question UA leadership at the risk of losing his scholarship and being forced to transfer, he had every right to do that.

[Hilltopper]

I guess by some people's reasoning, Chase Blackburn is a jerk also.

[MDZip]

Sportscracklepop did an article comparing late night talk show hosts to NFL quarterbacks. I thought they did a pretty good job. Charlie Frye got a mention, unfortunately they compared him to Carson Daly. D'Oh.