Elton's stumping for UA/Can't State/CSU/YSU

[MDZip]

Elton has an article where he thinks it would be a good idea for UA/Can't State/CSU/YSU to all play each other. The Zips and Flushes already do, but he wants to add CSU and YSU to Akron and Can't's schedules. We've discussed adding CSU before (no matter whose "fault" it is that we don't play), so maybe adding YSU could get the whole thing off the ground. I appreciate Elton giving it a little visibility, maybe at some point we actually get some traction moving this thing toward reality. Seems pretty dumb this group doesn't play every year.

[ZachTheZip]

First he writes an article about how weak our schedule is, then advocates scheduling losing teams like YSU and Cleveland State. Can't he make up his mind?I do want to play Cleveland State, just to deliver them the beatdown they've been putting off for the past few years. Until Gary Waters honors the contract stating that CSU has to play us at home after we honored our half by playing at CSU and at a neutral site, it will never happen.

[zipdiehard]

My buddy and I (Can't fan) have always thought it would be cool to do a NE Ohio weekend at the Q. It could be an all day thing or over two days. Something like: Akron vs Cincinnati, Can't vs Xavier, YSU vs Dayton, and CSU vs OSU. You could have any number of other opponents for the 4 schools in this area to play (Pitt, WV, Penn State, etc). I would think something like this would draw pretty well. You might even get the fair weather OSU fans who don't know any teams outside the little11 to come.

[Captain Kangaroo]

First he writes an article about how weak our schedule is, then advocates scheduling losing teams like YSU and Cleveland State. Can't he make up his mind?

CSU is down THIS YEAR, but Waters track record points towards that being a temporary thing.

I do want to play Cleveland State, just to deliver them the beatdown they've been putting off for the past few years. Until Gary Waters honors the contract stating that CSU has to play us at home after we honored our half by playing at CSU and at a neutral site, it will never happen.

Bullsh!t. Find a way to make it happen. This isn't finding peace between the Palestinians and the Jews. This is scheduling a freaking basketball game. UA needs to make this happen. If it involves biting their tongue and starting the negotiations fresh, then so be it. Hiding behind the "Until Gary Waters honors the contract..." excuse has run it's course for me. I want CSU on our schedule every year. Home/Home. Do it Tom.Tom - If you want me to do it, I'll make the phone calls. The offer is extended.

[xu9697]

State of Ohio colleges/teams do a TERRIBLE job of playing each other..unless, of course, they have to (based on being in the same division). OSU avoiding UC except to play them in Indianapolis (and fill that city's coffers). I am biased, but Xavier has been the best program in many ways in the last 10 years..OSU looks away from them as well. Akron and Dayton easily should be playing ever year, besides the fact that EA is dead on. Wright State is going through a solid time of play right now..Akron and Can't should look to play them as well.Look at the state of Indiana, and especially IU. They have played AT teams like Indiana State, and this was before they tanked (which is temporary IMHO with Crean there). They played Butler at home and road even before Butler basically surpassed them (temporarily) as a program.A lot of it comes down to "2 for 1s"..but do away with that by doing the more "neutral" court= Quicken Loans, Nationwide Arena and Fifth Third Bank Arena (or whatever Cincy's is called now. So many possiblities, so many missed opportunities. Xavier has SO MANY alum in Cleveland area. Once a year they should be playing either CSU, Akron or Can't..if not at their home gym, then at Quicken Loans. Miami and OU should be visiting CSU with all the Miami/OU alums.This state has VERY good basketball...we do a piss poor job of celebrating it IN STATE!!!!

[Zip Watcher]

I think a 2 day round robin would work pretty well.Day 1: UA vs YSU & CSU vs. Can't StateDay 2: Can't State vs YSU & CSU vs UAPerhaps the site rotates between the Q/Wolstein, The new downtown Y-Town place, and Plusquellic Pavilion .. ?

[GP1]

I really like some of these ideas about how to get these teams to play one another. In Boston, they have what I think is called the Bean Pot for college hockey. It is a weekend tournament between BU, BC, Harvard and either UMASS or Northeastern....can't remember.We should have a weekend tournament at the Q between UofA vs YSU, Can't State vs CSU. The winners play for a trophy and the losers play a 3rd/4th place game. It might mean UofA playing Can't four times in a year, but so what? The rivalry is great and it could make it even better. They could call it The Mayors Cup...the winning city gets to keep the trophy in their city hall until they lose it.

[Zips Win!]

First he writes an article about how weak our schedule is, then advocates scheduling losing teams like YSU and Cleveland State. Can't he make up his mind?

CSU is down THIS YEAR, but Waters track record points towards that being a temporary thing.

I do want to play Cleveland State, just to deliver them the beatdown they've been putting off for the past few years. Until Gary Waters honors the contract stating that CSU has to play us at home after we honored our half by playing at CSU and at a neutral site, it will never happen.

Bullsh!t. Find a way to make it happen. This isn't finding peace between the Palestinians and the Jews. This is scheduling a freaking basketball game. UA needs to make this happen. If it involves biting their tongue and starting the negotiations fresh, then so be it. Hiding behind the "Until Gary Waters honors the contract..." excuse has run it's course for me. I want CSU on our schedule every year. Home/Home. Do it Tom.Tom - If you want me to do it, I'll make the phone calls. The offer is extended.

Not only do I wnat them on the schedule, I would be in favor of playing them twice a year--once at Wolstein and once at the JAR. I bet we would get more than the 2900 we've been getting..

[xu9697]

What I would love, besides the ideal home and home match-ups throughout the state, is a...Best In Ohio Tournament:Play it in say, early December on a weekendTeams that go are based on the past year's final rankings (use some formula..RPI or what not):If we did that based on last year's final RPI: http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2009/rpi1 Xavier vs. 8 Akron2 Dayton vs. 7 Wright State3 OSU vs. 6 Cincinnati4 CSU vs. 5 MiamiRotate it btwn Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus.NOTE: Not sure if that is the official RPI..just one example

[MaxZIP]

What I would love, besides the ideal home and home match-ups throughout the state, is a...Best In Ohio Tournament:Play it in say, early December on a weekendTeams that go are based on the past year's final rankings (use some formula..RPI or what not):If we did that based on last year's final RPI: http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2009/rpi1 Xavier vs. 8 Akron2 Dayton vs. 7 Wright State3 OSU vs. 6 Cincinnati4 CSU vs. 5 MiamiRotate it btwn Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus.NOTE: Not sure if that is the official RPI..just one example

so the mac champ would be a lower seed than Miami? I would eather face Miami than akron in the first round. Nice try though.

[jupitertoo]

There's some speculation that Thad Matta and OSU would like to put on a holiday tourney. It would be great to get a deal that would ensure at least one MAC team but ideally two each year.[moderator note: merged topics for ease of following the conversation]

[xu9697]

What I would love, besides the ideal home and home match-ups throughout the state, is a...Best In Ohio Tournament:Play it in say, early December on a weekendTeams that go are based on the past year's final rankings (use some formula..RPI or what not):If we did that based on last year's final RPI: http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2009/rpi1 Xavier vs. 8 Akron2 Dayton vs. 7 Wright State3 OSU vs. 6 Cincinnati4 CSU vs. 5 MiamiRotate it btwn Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus.NOTE: Not sure if that is the official RPI..just one example

so the mac champ would be a lower seed than Miami? I would eather face Miami than akron in the first round. Nice try though.

Nice try though? What don't you get? It is based on RPI. I don't care what is based on, that really wasn't the point.

[GoZips88]

I wonder if Akron heading up to Cleveland this year for a closed scrimmage was the deal-maker to get the rivalry going again ... next year regular season beginning in Akron?

[Dave in Green]

Maybe if EA reads this forum, he will get the idea to ask Waters directly about the reported existing contract that hasn't been fulfilled.

[zippyman23]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks CSU owes us a game at the JAR. After we joined the MAC, we had two years off where we didn't play them, followed by twelve years of playing them alternating sites each year. Six of those games were at CSU and six were at UA. It's even as far as I can tell from looking at the media guide.

[doccomet87]

I'd love a MAC vs Ohio challenge6 Ohio MAC teams vs 6 other Div 1 teams in Ohio (minus OSU)MACUACan't StateBGSUMiamiOUToledoOthersWright St.CSUDaytonYSUUCXavierI would abandon the idea of getting OSU to participate. Rank them by RPI as I can't think of a better way. I'd pay to see it, regardless of what it did for us in the rankings.

[GP1]

Maybe if EA reads this forum, he will get the idea to ask Waters directly about the reported existing contract that hasn't been fulfilled.

If the contract has been broken, how come we are not bringing a case against CSU for damages? We could get some money out of it.I think CK is right. This has gone on long enough. In a big boys and girls world, companies break contracts all the time and then re-enter into a business relationship at some point down the road. We need to get back to playing CSU. They are entertaining games.

[xu9697]

I'd love a MAC vs Ohio challenge6 Ohio MAC teams vs 6 other Div 1 teams in Ohio (minus OSU)MACUACan't StateBGSUMiamiOUToledoOthersWright St.CSUDaytonYSUUCXavierI would abandon the idea of getting OSU to participate. Rank them by RPI as I can't think of a better way. I'd pay to see it, regardless of what it did for us in the rankings.

Awesome idea!!! MAC really could use this to help their profile. Even leaving OSU out, UC, Dayton and XU are consistenly solid to good teams. Not to mention, we can keep the $$$ in NE Ohio with this deal!!!

[Zip Watcher]

Why would Dayton, Xavier and UC agree to do this?

[Captain Kangaroo]

Why would Dayton, Xavier and UC agree to do this?

Because they feel sorry for us?Because they have a really tough time filling up their OOC schedules with quality opponents?Because it would allow them to prove, on the court, that they are among the top 4 programs in Ohio instead of leaving it up to debate.That's the best sarcasm I've got.