Getsy Nemesis Gets New Gig

[Captain Kangaroo]

Walt Harris Nabs QB Coaching Job @ Cal!

[InTheZone]

Unfortunately for us he'll be coaching a QB there that's a heckuva lot better than any he was ever going to coach here. It seems a lot of the smaller schools around us are consistently having better QB's than us (Cundiff from Ashland also comes to mind), and perhaps this is because most BCS transfers go D2 so they don't have to sit out, but I think it has more to do the fact that our previous HC was just a horrible evaluator of talent and by default a horrible recruiter. In all of JD's 6 recruiting classes he never signed one QB that was really worth a damn. His first 3 years he was lucky enough to inherit Frye and then have Getsy transfer in. Brooky signed a pretty high number of QBs, and not one of them panned out, with the exception of maybe Nicely, but honestly I think he'll be ok at best, not on the level of Frye or Getsy. Let's hope Ianello can reverse the trend and go out and find us a diamond in the rough somewhere. Go JUCO or entice transfers that burned a redshirt and lost a QB battle if you have to.

[GP1]

Brooky signed a pretty high number of QBs, and not one of them panned out, with the exception of maybe Nicely, but honestly I think he'll be ok at best, not on the level of Frye or Getsy.

QBs not panning out is the story of the MAC. Any team with a decent QB has a great shot of at least winning their division. I think the real point is there aren't that many good QBs out there.

If Nicely starts four years, wins not a single MAC Championship and has a career losing record, he will be on the same level as Frye. If he wins one MAC Championship, I'll take it and we can say he was at least as good as Getsy. If he wins two, best QB in school history.

The advantage Nicely has is the league is worse now than I can remember. He doesn't have to have the talent of the others to be successful. We joke about the guy from CMU, but CK is right in that the guy has limited talent and any NFL team that takes him is making a mistake.

As long as this league is as horrible as it is, I still remain bullish. My only concern is a pro style offense in college football. "But GP1, Alabama won the National Championship with a pro offense." They sure did...against a Colt McCoyless Texas team. Texas almost pulled that game out with a freshman with a pile of crap in his pants by running the spread offense. Cincy, FL, tOSU, Oregon, Boise State, TCU, etc all now run a type of spread offense and we are not. I'm not saying we can't win, I'm just saying I have a concern.

[GP1]

he was lucky enough to inherit Frye

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all."

[InTheZone]

he was lucky enough to inherit Frye

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all."

C'mon GP, I know your disdain for Frye, but can you honestly look this board in the screen and tell them that any first year coach wouldn't be jizzing himself to inherit a QB coming off a 273/421 (64.8%) for 3549 yards and 22 TD, 111 carries for 288 yards and 7 TD, season?? I know Robby I. would.

[GP1]

he was lucky enough to inherit Frye

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all."

C'mon GP, I know your disdain for Frye, but can you honestly look this board in the screen and tell them that any first year coach wouldn't be jizzing himself to inherit a QB coming off a 273/421 (64.8%) for 3549 yards and 22 TD, 111 carries for 288 yards and 7 TD, season?? I know Robby I. would.

I would agree if the guy wasn't a career loser. Stats are one thing, winning is another.

[InTheZone]

he was lucky enough to inherit Frye

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all."

C'mon GP, I know your disdain for Frye, but can you honestly look this board in the screen and tell them that any first year coach wouldn't be jizzing himself to inherit a QB coming off a 273/421 (64.8%) for 3549 yards and 22 TD, 111 carries for 288 yards and 7 TD, season?? I know Robby I. would.

I would agree if the guy wasn't a career loser. Stats are one thing, winning is another.

The man led the number 6 offense in the nation. There's not much more he could've done in my book. His defense was near the bottom of 1-A football, and couldn't stop a fruitfly. You know of any other QB's in our 1-A history that put 500 yards of total offense on a Big 10 team, and a good one at that? The thing I remember most about Charlie Frye's teams, and a few of my teams at that, is that we would score and score and it wouldn't matter... we could count on the defense to let the other team score more. Let's remember that Luke Getsy's MAC Championship squad also had the 26th ranked defense to go along with it, and still went 7-6 with that. If we've had a winner at QB in the 1-A era, it was Charlie Frye.

[Dr Z]

If we've had a winner at QB in the 1-A era, it was Charlie Frye.

Until Getsy hit the field you are correct, once that happened, it was Charlie-WHO?

1. Getsy

2. Frye

[InTheZone]

If we've had a winner at QB in the 1-A era, it was Charlie Frye.

Until Getsy hit the field you are correct, once that happened, it was Charlie-WHO?

1. Getsy

2. Frye

Getsy's best season was 7-6 and 5-3 in the MAC. Same as Charlie's. His stats were worse. The man barely completed 50 percent of his passes. His senior year, he led the team to a very "winner-like" record of 5-7. Charlie was drafted in the 3rd round. Luke was not drafted and cut as a free agent. Both were good QB's for us, but I don't think the facts support you in saying that Luke was the better QB. His MAC championship happened because he was the very fortunate benefactor of circumstances and a very weakened MAC East with Marshall and UCF gone and Miami on the decline. I mean we lost to Ball State that season for craps sake.

[Dr Z]

His MAC championship happened because he was the very fortunate benefactor of circumstances and a very weakened MAC East with Marshall and UCF gone and Miami on the decline.

Now we are making excuses for winning? Zips fans, we rule!

[InTheZone]

Charlie Frye as a Junior and Senior

2003: 273/421 (64.8%) for 3549 yards and 22 TD vs. 9 INT. 111 carries for 288 yards and 7 TD

Record: 7-5 (5-3)

2004: 220/346 (63.6%) for 2623 yards and 18 TD vs. 8 INT. 100 carries for 446 yards and 2 TD.

Record 6-5 (6-2)

Luke Getsy as a Junior and Senior

2005: 278/525 (53.0%) for 3455 yards 23 TD vs. 12 INT. 56 carries for -9 yards and 1 TD

Record: 7-6 (5-3)

2006: 199/380 (52.4%) for 2662 yards 18 TD vs. 11 INT. 58 carries for -142 yards and 0 TD

Record: 5-7 (3-5)

So whether you go by any stats category, Total wins, or MAC wins.... Charlie comes out on top. Make your argument.

[InTheZone]

His MAC championship happened because he was the very fortunate benefactor of circumstances and a very weakened MAC East with Marshall and UCF gone and Miami on the decline.

Now we are making excuses for winning? Zips fans, we rule!

It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. We won the MAC with a 5-3 MAC record and a lot of tiebreakers. Two of the MAC East's best teams were gone. We won the MAC that year by the rules and fair and square, but for the sake of this argument you cannot take that and say it shows that Luke Getsy was superior to Charlie Frye. The facts just don't back you up. The year before, Charlie Frye, with a new head coach and a brand new system, had gone 6-2 in the MAC, against a much stronger MAC East.

[Dr Z]

So whether you go by any stats category, Total wins, or MAC wins.... Charlie comes out on top. Make your argument.

What's the goal of every season? Win the MAC Championship.

Getsy 1, Frye 0

Don't get me wrong here, I love Frye, but Getsy got the job done. Rationalize away.

[InTheZone]

So whether you go by any stats category, Total wins, or MAC wins.... Charlie comes out on top. Make your argument.

What's the goal of every season? Win the MAC Championship.

Getsy 1, Frye 0

Don't get me wrong here, I love Frye, but Getsy got the job done. Rationalize away.

What's the goal of every NFL season? To win the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer 1, Dan Marino 0.

By your rationale, Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino.

[Dr Z]

What's the goal of every NFL season? To win the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer 1, Dan Marino 0.

Now your getting it.

For comparison's sake, it would help if they played for the same team in the same era, but I'll let you slide for the point of illustration.

[InTheZone]

What's the goal of every NFL season? To win the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer 1, Dan Marino 0.

Now your getting it.

For comparison's sake, it would help if they played for the same team in the same era, but I'll let you slide for the point of illustration.

Okay, I can do that too.

The goal of every season at the University of Tennessee is to win the national championship.

Tee Martin 1, Peyton Manning 0.

Tee Martin > Petyon Manning for the same reasons that Luke Getsy > Charlie Frye.

[GP1]

If we've had a winner at QB in the 1-A era, it was Charlie Frye.

Until Getsy hit the field you are correct, once that happened, it was Charlie-WHO?

1. Getsy

2. Frye

Getsy's best season was 7-6 and 5-3 in the MAC. Same as Charlie's. His stats were worse. The man barely completed 50 percent of his passes. His senior year, he led the team to a very "winner-like" record of 5-7. Charlie was drafted in the 3rd round. Luke was not drafted and cut as a free agent. Both were good QB's for us, but I don't think the facts support you in saying that Luke was the better QB. His MAC championship happened because he was the very fortunate benefactor of circumstances and a very weakened MAC East with Marshall and UCF gone and Miami on the decline. I mean we lost to Ball State that season for craps sake.

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No "ifs" here. Charlie Frye had a career losing record at AKRON. Any winner in the five years leading up to his career and five years after his career won the MAC. Charlie could beat any team with a losing record. You can take the statistics and flush them down the toilet. The guy was/is a loser. Getsy won when it mattered.

[GP1]

What's the goal of every NFL season? To win the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer 1, Dan Marino 0.

Now your getting it.

For comparison's sake, it would help if they played for the same team in the same era, but I'll let you slide for the point of illustration.

Okay, I can do that too.

The goal of every season at the University of Tennessee is to win the national championship.

Tee Martin 1, Peyton Manning 0.

Tee Martin > Petyon Manning for the same reasons that Luke Getsy > Charlie Frye.

The thing is you can extrapolate the logic into Frye's career. Akron wins nothing while he was there then Getsy wins...winner Getsy. The Browns win nothing until Frye is sent packing to Seattle (to be the #3 of all positions) and the Browns go 10-5 in their last 15....Winner DA.

There is a pile of evidence showing Frye is a loser and NONE showing he can win anything....winner, everyone but Frye.

[GP1]

but I don't think the facts support you in saying that Luke was the better QB.

I won't say one was better than the other, but I will say if these two are the best we can do, we are in deep poop.