Zipmeister Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? I remember Temple was one of the few "bigger time" schools that would come to the Rubber Bowl as Akron was transitioning to Division I. I always appreciated that and, therefore, have no problem assisting them in keeping their football program going until they can get into a better conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? I remember Temple was one of the few "bigger time" schools that would come to the Rubber Bowl as Akron was transitioning to Division I. I always appreciated that and, therefore, have no problem assisting them in keeping their football program going until they can get into a better conference. They helped us and we help them? I say, thanks for nothing. 20+ years and this program is still a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I still think the MAC should make Temple join as a full member or kick them out. Then add Southern Illinois and/or Western Kentucky. That may make sense, but I hate the idea of more "directional" schools!!!! Southern Illinois would have killed Akron, Cant State, and most teams in the MAC last year they were that good. I expect them to beat Illinois this year, they are that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 They were 10-1 in the regular season. Their only loss was on the road to Marshall 31-28. http://siusalukis.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl...sched-2009.html Western Kentucky is just horrible. SIU just built a new stadium, but it will seat only 11,000 or 12,000 so they won't be moving up either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I'm sorry, but they wouldn't have "killed" anyone in the MAC last year. They would've competed, but lost their fair share of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 SIU could be as good as an NFL team and nobody would care because they're FCS. They probably would have given Akron problems last season, given our laughably bad coaching. But nobody cares because they're FCS. If they beat Illinois, it doesn't get them mroe than a day or two of publicity, because they're FCS and will be forgotten while Illinois gets remembered for losing to some team they shouldn't have. Right now, Illinois State is contemplating joining the MAC. They would grow in reputation, and SIU would remain just another FCS school, regardless of how strong the teams actually are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? Temple football was 9-4 overall last season. They beat Navy. They were 6-1 in the MAC, losing only @ Athens. They were up 21-7 vs UCLA in the 3rd quarter of their bowl game. They ran out of gas, but they had a good showing. The cost to travel to/from Philly vs. any other place the Zips would travel is negligible. No opponent helps the attendance of any MAC program. MAC attendance blows regardless of the opponent. No opponent helps us get a better TV contract... and who the hell wants to watch MAC football on the TV anyhow? The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. What "rivals" do you want to see play in lieu of Temple? Would you have rather watched a crappy Miami OH team play the Zips in 2009 than a quality Temple program? I liked watching Temple kick our ass last year (56-17). They thoroughly out-classed us at every position. It gives me hope that we can do the same (in the MAC) one day soon. Temple was no better than us a couple years ago. It doesn't matter what Temple has done, overall, in MAC football since they became a member. What matters is the direction they are headed. And since they have joined the MAC, they have headed one direction -- up. Playing in an NFL stadium is a plus, not a negative. That stadium is awesome. Didn't they schedule a home game with Penn State? That beats the hell out of Gardner Webb. People on the MACbbs board are, for the most part, idiots. You will figure that out one day. Temple is a top MAC football program. They are talented and fun to watch. They are one of only a thimble full of MAC football programs who can not only escape embarrassment when stepping up in competition, but actually have a shot at winning. And the fact that they give the MAC 5 basketball games per year is a gift from the Gods. It allows MAC fans to see Top 25 programs in their own venue. That would never happen otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Temple football was 9-4 overall last season. They beat Navy. They were 6-1 in the MAC, losing only @ Athens. They were up 21-7 vs UCLA in the 3rd quarter of their bowl game. They ran out of gas, but they had a good showing. The cost to travel to/from Philly vs. any other place the Zips would travel is negligible. No opponent helps the attendance of any MAC program. MAC attendance blows regardless of the opponent. No opponent helps us get a better TV contract... and who the hell wants to watch MAC football on the TV anyhow? The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. What "rivals" do you want to see play in lieu of Temple? Would you have rather watched a crappy Miami OH team play the Zips in 2009 than a quality Temple program? I liked watching Temple kick our ass last year (56-17). They thoroughly out-classed us at every position. It gives me hope that we can do the same (in the MAC) one day soon. Temple was no better than us a couple years ago. It doesn't matter what Temple has done, overall, in MAC football since they became a member. What matters is the direction they are headed. And since they have joined the MAC, they have headed one direction -- up. Playing in an NFL stadium is a plus, not a negative. That stadium is awesome. Didn't they schedule a home game with Penn State? That beats the hell out of Gardner Webb. People on the MACbbs board are, for the most part, idiots. You will figure that out one day. Temple is a top MAC football program. They are talented and fun to watch. They are one of only a thimble full of MAC football programs who can not only escape embarrassment when stepping up in competition, but actually have a shot at winning. And the fact that they give the MAC 5 basketball games per year is a gift from the Gods. It allows MAC fans to see Top 25 programs in their own venue. That would never happen otherwise. Captain, think about what you just said. "Temple is a top MAC football program." Have the come a long way? Yes they have. But to follow Temple's lead for the success of MAC football. If they were still in the Big East, the would be mabye .500 and that is being nice. There are pluses like you said (NFL stadium, 5 Mac basketball games). Mabye I should reverse my thinking of "we did temple a favor" and start saying "the Big East did us a favor." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I have yet to hear anything official from Illinois State that would make it appear they are considering jumping to the FBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? Temple football was 9-4 overall last season. They beat Navy. They were 6-1 in the MAC, losing only @ Athens. They were up 21-7 vs UCLA in the 3rd quarter of their bowl game. They ran out of gas, but they had a good showing. The cost to travel to/from Philly vs. any other place the Zips would travel is negligible. No opponent helps the attendance of any MAC program. MAC attendance blows regardless of the opponent. No opponent helps us get a better TV contract... and who the hell wants to watch MAC football on the TV anyhow? The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. What "rivals" do you want to see play in lieu of Temple? Would you have rather watched a crappy Miami OH team play the Zips in 2009 than a quality Temple program? I liked watching Temple kick our ass last year (56-17). They thoroughly out-classed us at every position. It gives me hope that we can do the same (in the MAC) one day soon. Temple was no better than us a couple years ago. It doesn't matter what Temple has done, overall, in MAC football since they became a member. What matters is the direction they are headed. And since they have joined the MAC, they have headed one direction -- up. Playing in an NFL stadium is a plus, not a negative. That stadium is awesome. Didn't they schedule a home game with Penn State? That beats the hell out of Gardner Webb. People on the MACbbs board are, for the most part, idiots. You will figure that out one day. Temple is a top MAC football program. They are talented and fun to watch. They are one of only a thimble full of MAC football programs who can not only escape embarrassment when stepping up in competition, but actually have a shot at winning. And the fact that they give the MAC 5 basketball games per year is a gift from the Gods. It allows MAC fans to see Top 25 programs in their own venue. That would never happen otherwise. I told you guys two years ago Temple was a top MAC team. Everyone laughed. They ARE a top MAC team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodthts Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? Temple football was 9-4 overall last season. They beat Navy. They were 6-1 in the MAC, losing only @ Athens. They were up 21-7 vs UCLA in the 3rd quarter of their bowl game. They ran out of gas, but they had a good showing. The cost to travel to/from Philly vs. any other place the Zips would travel is negligible. No opponent helps the attendance of any MAC program. MAC attendance blows regardless of the opponent. No opponent helps us get a better TV contract... and who the hell wants to watch MAC football on the TV anyhow? The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. What "rivals" do you want to see play in lieu of Temple? Would you have rather watched a crappy Miami OH team play the Zips in 2009 than a quality Temple program? I liked watching Temple kick our ass last year (56-17). They thoroughly out-classed us at every position. It gives me hope that we can do the same (in the MAC) one day soon. Temple was no better than us a couple years ago. It doesn't matter what Temple has done, overall, in MAC football since they became a member. What matters is the direction they are headed. And since they have joined the MAC, they have headed one direction -- up. Playing in an NFL stadium is a plus, not a negative. That stadium is awesome. Didn't they schedule a home game with Penn State? That beats the hell out of Gardner Webb. People on the MACbbs board are, for the most part, idiots. You will figure that out one day. Temple is a top MAC football program. They are talented and fun to watch. They are one of only a thimble full of MAC football programs who can not only escape embarrassment when stepping up in competition, but actually have a shot at winning. And the fact that they give the MAC 5 basketball games per year is a gift from the Gods. It allows MAC fans to see Top 25 programs in their own venue. That would never happen otherwise. +1 Cap'n. Temple is in no way "leeching" off of the MAC. How can they be? They are already a successful football program within the conference, their basketball team has great history and their location is in a primetime media area. How can they be leeching off us? There is no tradition-rich or traditionally winning program in the MAC. Who or what exactly is Temple gaining other than having Akron, Can't, Miami, the Michigans to beat up on? I for one welcome the competition. Maybe Akron can attain Temple's win-loss record within the next several seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The MAC needs to keep Temple at whatever cost. They are our best football program. I disagree on both counts. The MAC needs to dump Temple at whatever cost (there is no cost, they don't bring in anything that improves the MAC's finances or reputation). They are not worth the money spent feeding another mouth or travelling to and from Philly. They don't help attendance when MAC schools play them at home, they don't get us a better TV contract, and they screw up our scheduling so we can't play rivals that people actually care about seeing us play. And how can they be our best program? They haven't even won their own division, let alone the conference, since joining. They don't even have enough support to have their own football stadium, instead they have to rent one from the NFL. There is so little support for football that their fans are willing to go independant or drop down to 1-AA, or drop football altogether, instead of bringing their hoops program to the MAC. If football was important to them, they would bring hoops instead of risking getting kicked out. Why should the MAC allow them to continue to leech off us with nothing in return but a few token basketball games? Temple football was 9-4 overall last season. They beat Navy. They were 6-1 in the MAC, losing only @ Athens. They were up 21-7 vs UCLA in the 3rd quarter of their bowl game. They ran out of gas, but they had a good showing. The cost to travel to/from Philly vs. any other place the Zips would travel is negligible. No opponent helps the attendance of any MAC program. MAC attendance blows regardless of the opponent. No opponent helps us get a better TV contract... and who the hell wants to watch MAC football on the TV anyhow? The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. What "rivals" do you want to see play in lieu of Temple? Would you have rather watched a crappy Miami OH team play the Zips in 2009 than a quality Temple program? I liked watching Temple kick our ass last year (56-17). They thoroughly out-classed us at every position. It gives me hope that we can do the same (in the MAC) one day soon. Temple was no better than us a couple years ago. It doesn't matter what Temple has done, overall, in MAC football since they became a member. What matters is the direction they are headed. And since they have joined the MAC, they have headed one direction -- up. Playing in an NFL stadium is a plus, not a negative. That stadium is awesome. Didn't they schedule a home game with Penn State? That beats the hell out of Gardner Webb. People on the MACbbs board are, for the most part, idiots. You will figure that out one day. Temple is a top MAC football program. They are talented and fun to watch. They are one of only a thimble full of MAC football programs who can not only escape embarrassment when stepping up in competition, but actually have a shot at winning. And the fact that they give the MAC 5 basketball games per year is a gift from the Gods. It allows MAC fans to see Top 25 programs in their own venue. That would never happen otherwise. +1 Cap'n. Temple is in no way "leeching" off of the MAC. How can they be? They are already a successful football program within the conference, their basketball team has great history and their location is in a primetime media area. How can they be leeching off us? There is no tradition-rich or traditionally winning program in the MAC. Who or what exactly is Temple gaining other than having Akron, Can't, Miami, the Michigans to beat up on? I for one welcome the competition. Maybe Akron can attain Temple's win-loss record within the next several seasons. Temple definitely improved as the year went on. Their 9-4 record definitely made people forget about their week 1 loss to cross town "rival" Villanova: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/reca...015&prov=ap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The support for Temple football grows at the program experiences success. That's not unique to Temple. You'd see the Zips attendance rise if we'd go 9-4 for a few seasons. Interesting you bring this up. I have a friend who lives in the Philadelphia area. Temple is selling a "family pack" type deal UofA sells. Four tickets for $100 for the season. He didn't go to Temple but bought them because the team was good and $100 isn't much money. He said that even if he goes to one game it was worth the purchase. Temple could be the next Marshall if they stick around. After they leave the MAC, the could still be the next Marshall....a team that dominates the MAC but flounders outside of the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 When was the last time a Division 1-A Zips program won 9 games in a season? How long has Temple been in the MAC? How long has Akron been in the MAC? Temple has passed the Zips. And most other MAC football programs. And, in a ridiculously short time period. It shows you how easy being a top-level MAC football program is to accomplish, if you have the right leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 When was the last time a Division 1-A Zips program won 9 games in a season? How long has Temple been in the MAC? How long has Akron been in the MAC? Temple has passed the Zips. And most other MAC football programs. And, in a ridiculously short time period. It shows you how easy being a top-level MAC football program is to accomplish, if you have the right leadership. Answer 1: Never. In fact, we could add up the wins from the past two seasons and not get there. Answer 2: Long enough to get good, which doesn't take very long if you really want to. Answer 3: Long enough to have given me permanent damage in my esophagus from the acid reflux. Temple did pass up the MAC in a short period of time. Marshall was the on ly team to do it faster because the MAC gave the farm away to get them in the league. It takes more than a new stadium to be good. It takes the will to win. We have never had the will to win. Look at Temple's schedule if you have time to search. Three home games to start out the season and all three can be won (they will lose to UCONN however). They will lose at PSU, but so what...they got a sold out home game against PSU last year. It takes us three home games to draw as many people as they can to one game. Worst case, they will be 3-2 going into the meat of the MAC schedule. Only one time do they play two or more road games in a row (we play three). Temple is focused on winning football games and competing well in a basketball conference that is much better than the MAC. We are focused on "building" things. They are smart, we are stupid. Let's see how next year goes. I'm not even demanding we dominate the league. How about a minimum seven wins a season in a down year? I don't think that is asking too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 They were 10-1 in the regular season. Their only loss was on the road to Marshall 31-28. http://siusalukis.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl...sched-2009.html Western Kentucky is just horrible. SIU just built a new stadium, but it will seat only 11,000 or 12,000 so they won't be moving up either. What Western Kentucky lacks in football, they more than make up for in basketball having made the tourney regularly and actually having made a run or two. The MACC has not even won a game (since Ohio this year) in 5+ years. We'd be lucky to have them. SIU is solid academically and in both football and basketball. I like the natural rivalry with NIU too. We'd be lucky to have them as well. Both schools would give this conference a boost. Temple on the other hand makes this conference look bad. They are using us as a very temporary stepping stone to a better conference after being banished from the Big East. If the on-field performance doesn't establish conference hierarchy, accepting another conference's reject certainly does. It's like admitting that we suck. No commissioner should have permitted Temple to join without becoming a full member. Think about it, if Temple was given that ultimatum, what choice would they have had with football?...That's right, join the MAC as a full member or drop football to I-AA. All or nothing! Not only that, but they screw up the football scheduling. As a result, they have prevented us from playing (and likely getting rare wins) against one of our biggest rivals in Miami in recent years. Get rid of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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