Who would you "Deep Six?"

[lance99]

I got the idea of this because of of all the conferences adding/ losing teams. If the Zips are to stay in the MAC, something has to be done.

Make you choice and give a reason why.

[skip-zip]

EMU.....I just don't think they can keep going like this. They keep losing, and keep losing fans. Being right next door to Ann Arbor doesn't give them much of a chance to begin with.

Funny Story...I went to a game in Ypsilanti back in the early 80s while I was a student at Akron. The place was PACKED. The Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders were there that night. The people around there told me that they had been running some big-time promotions, and were seeing a dramatic boost in attendance. Maybe that was short-lived, or maybe those kinds of promotions really have no long term effect.

[ZachTheZip]

I voted EMU because BGSU wasn't an option. They easily have the lowest athletic budget in the MAC, they have contemplated moving to D-II, and aside from women's basketball they don't consistently compete in any sport.

[ditchrider1]

EMU...move BG to the West.

[mes102]

I voted for EMU...then, I would move BGSU to MAC West so that they can play their rivals Toledo twice a year like we do with Can't State...Third, I would ask Temple to move permanently to the MAC East. If not, these are schools I would put in place by location and level of play in all aspects of their athletics:

1) Temple

2) Marshall University

3) Cleveland State, with Temple staying as football only

4) College of Charleston, with Temple staying as football only

5) Niagara, with Temple staying as football only

6) Western Kentucky, with Temple staying as football only

What's your thoughts on this list? Feel free to tear it apart...

[InTheZone]

I voted for EMU...then, I would move BGSU to MAC West so that they can play their rivals Toledo twice a year like we do with Can't State...Third, I would ask Temple to move permanently to the MAC East. If not, these are schools I would put in place by location and level of play in all aspects of their athletics:

1) Temple

2) Marshall University

3) Cleveland State, with Temple staying as football only

4) College of Charleston, with Temple staying as football only

5) Niagara, with Temple staying as football only

6) Western Kentucky, with Temple staying as football only

What's your thoughts on this list? Feel free to tear it apart...

if Cleveland State adds football like they've talked about, it would be in our best interest for them to be FCS. Right now, if we could ever get this ship heading in the right direction, we would have a monopoly on big time NEO college football. We don't need to start competing with CSU. Can't will always be a joke in football.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I would get rid of Akron.

[johnnyzip84]

I would get rid of Akron.

Wow. These Lot 9 wounds are deeper than I thought

I picked CMU because nobody else had so far and I thought Dan LeFevour might be upset with that the next time he stops by.

[Spin]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

[MaxZIP]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

[InTheZone]

Definitely not a "dead" issue. The new prez wants a team on the field by 2012.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/csu/index...._cleveland.html

[skip-zip]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

[johnnyzip84]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have many hurdles, but getting a place to play probably isn't the largest of them. Ask Pitt.

[MDZip]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have many hurdles, but getting a place to play probably isn't the largest of them. Ask Pitt.

Or USF. Or Temple, whom I voted for because I do think its upsets the scheduling too much to have 13 teams, they should be in for all sports. They have a decent soccer team so that would help too. I understand why its helpful to have them around to help raise the MAC football profile a little, but that is only a recent occurrence, and as soon as they get good enough consistently enough, the MAC will have just been a stepping stone for them. I was going to vote for CMU, but then realized it wasn't to bring Carnegie Mellon into the league. I think we could beat them.

[johnnyzip84]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have many hurdles, but getting a place to play probably isn't the largest of them. Ask Pitt.

Or USF. Or Temple, whom I voted for because I do think its upsets the scheduling too much to have 13 teams, they should be in for all sports. They have a decent soccer team so that would help too. I understand why its helpful to have them around to help raise the MAC football profile a little, but that is only a recent occurrence, and as soon as they get good enough consistently enough, the MAC will have just been a stepping stone for them. I was going to vote for CMU, but then realized it wasn't to bring Carnegie Mellon into the league. I think we could beat them.

It might be sweet to lay a heavy whipping on those Tartans

[MDZip]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

I'm not saying they wouldn't have many hurdles, but getting a place to play probably isn't the largest of them. Ask Pitt.

Or USF. Or Temple, whom I voted for because I do think its upsets the scheduling too much to have 13 teams, they should be in for all sports. They have a decent soccer team so that would help too. I understand why its helpful to have them around to help raise the MAC football profile a little, but that is only a recent occurrence, and as soon as they get good enough consistently enough, the MAC will have just been a stepping stone for them. I was going to vote for CMU, but then realized it wasn't to bring Carnegie Mellon into the league. I think we could beat them.

It might be sweet to lay a heavy whipping on those Tartans

That may be the dirtiest completely innocent comment I have ever seen on here.

[Z.I.P.]

Lance, I wont be drawn into yet again, but I'd start by "deep-six"-ing anyone who writes: "Dosen't matter!" (See top) Spelling does matter.

[ksu sucks]

It's all about money and football. Hence,

Can't State

- 2nd lowest overall athletic/football budget.

- Worst football facilities in the MAC(or at least close)

- A president who could care less about Division 1 football(this is according to the Can't bbs board....so who really knows)

- It's Can't state for crying out loud. Their most popular major is fashion design. Do you really think that they can build a culture of rabid football fans?

- Abysmal fan support*

- crappy football team*

- no recent history of success in football*

*Note: If Ianello is another flop then Akron will be in the same boat as Can't. A crappy football program with no history. Fortunately, Akron has a few things that Can't doesn't; a brand new stadium/IPF and a president who sees the significance of FBS football.

[ZippyforPresident]

I voted EMU because BGSU wasn't an option. They easily have the lowest athletic budget in the MAC, they have contemplated moving to D-II, and aside from women's basketball they don't consistently compete in any sport.

I voted for EMU, but if all of the "directional michigan schools" were an option I would have voted for that. To me they just seem like very generic schools that scream MAC complacency. I believe they are some of the longer/longest tenured schools in the MAC and it seems to me that a school like EMU just kind of thinks, "oh well, we have our up years and our down years. So goes this roller coaster of the Mid American Conference."

As far as BGSU goes, I would think they would be one of the last schools to have a reason to take a step down from the MAC. Like you said, they do have a great women's basketball team, but I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they don't consistently compete in any sport. Their men's basketball team has had its ups and downs (looking forward to checking out the new Stroh center when Coach Dambrot's squad heads up there for the 2011-2012 season), but their football team has actually been pretty consistent, and I don't mean at losing.

I think they've had one sub .500 season in the past 8 seasons. Not to mention a few bowl appearances in that time and wins over Missouri, Kansas, Purdue, Northwestern, Memphis, Minnesota, and Pittsburgh. As well as that shootout with Idaho in the Humanitarian Bowl last year, which was a really fun game to watch. If they have the lowest athletic budget in the MAC and are getting those kinds of results, then what has Zips football been doing wrong, because staring up from 3-9 a 7-6 record looks pretty darn good.

BG actually has a loyal and solid following of fans, most of whom seem to be pretty knowledgeable and hospitable.

All of my siblings attended BGSU, and for all of the games that I've attended out there in Wood Co., it was a pretty good experience, even when rooting against them and decked out in Zips apparel.

Well, that's all, any more about BG and I'd probably be getting a phone call beginning with ay ziggy zoombah...

[Spin]

Dump Temple, and move Toledo to the East. Then Ohio schools face each other (almost) every year, and home-and-home in basketball.

[Zip Watcher]

I would get rid of Akron.

+1

[scottditzen]

CSU football is dead. The outgoing president wanted to start it as a legacy, nobody else thought it was a good idea, and it fell apart.

Right now they're focused on losing the "community college" stigma they will probably always have.

Would an upstart FCS team help them to lose the status?

The question for me is: Would anyone go to their games?

Plenty of vacant property on the East side to build a stadium, but who would want to venture into that part of town? But what do you do? Build another football stadium right in Browns Town? Try competing for fan interest in the Browns back yard. And talk about a "commuter school".

I'm trying to find reasons why this would work. And I can't find any.

Hey Skip, lots of people- over a million- visit right in the vicinity of the CSU campus each year!

http://www.playhousesquare.org/default.asp...PlayhouseSquare

I think with all the investment that is going on, that in ten years CSU will be looking pretty good.

p.s. I voted EMU off the island. When they changed from the "Hurons" (COOL) to "Eagles" (ULTRA-GENERIC) I just could no longer appreciate their school, their program or their awful "E" helmets.

[ksu sucks]

I think with all the investment that is going on, that in ten years CSU will be looking pretty good.

I agree, but they won't be able to match what other urban schools have become/are becoming. Akron/Toledo/Ohio State/UC have room for thousands of students to live on campus(Ohio State obviously has a lot more being the largest university in the country..). Meanwhile Cleveland State has rooms for a few hundreds of students, not thousands.

Once again, I agree. CSU is on an upswing, but they won't be able to match the atmosphere that other urban Ohio schools have growing.

[lance99]

I think with all the investment that is going on, that in ten years CSU will be looking pretty good.

I agree, but they won't be able to match what other urban schools have become/are becoming. Akron/Toledo/Ohio State/UC have room for thousands of students to live on campus(Ohio State obviously has a lot more being the largest university in the country..). Meanwhile Cleveland State has rooms for a few hundreds of students, not thousands.

Once again, I agree. CSU is on an upswing, but they won't be able to match the atmosphere that other urban Ohio schools have growing.

Cleveland State WILL NOT have a football team. Does anyone understands how hard it is to start one at any level? They don't even have a place to have games(and if anyone thinks that Browns Stadium is an option, you will see 50-60,000 orange seats and I am being nice!).

Getting rid of dead weight, then adding it back makes no sense. It is the "directional schools" mentality that will not fix the conference.

[scottditzen]

I never said CSU was getting a football team....we're just talking about their campus environment.

I think with all the investment that is going on, that in ten years CSU will be looking pretty good.

I agree, but they won't be able to match what other urban schools have become/are becoming. Akron/Toledo/Ohio State/UC have room for thousands of students to live on campus(Ohio State obviously has a lot more being the largest university in the country..). Meanwhile Cleveland State has rooms for a few hundreds of students, not thousands.

Once again, I agree. CSU is on an upswing, but they won't be able to match the atmosphere that other urban Ohio schools have growing.

Cleveland State WILL NOT have a football team. Does anyone understands how hard it is to start one at any level? They don't even have a place to have games(and if anyone thinks that Browns Stadium is an option, you will see 50-60,000 orange seats and I am being nice!).

Getting rid of dead weight, then adding it back makes no sense. It is the "directional schools" mentality that will not fix the conference.