Sad or Angry?

[GP1]

Actually...I think you are blowing smoke. Show me proof that Meyer "excited" their fan base. iCoach desrves a chance.

"No. We needed someone who has proven that they know how to run a football program as a head coach" is really lame. EVERY great coach started with no experiance.

Here are more examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Miles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Saban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Petersen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Walker_...football_coach)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Alvarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Petrino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Barnett

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Alvarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Schembechler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayden_Fry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tiller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(coach)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Mangino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Stoops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Snyder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Friedgen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Pinkel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Pelini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Tuberville

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Schiano

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dantonio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Golden_(American_football)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Stoops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Erickson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Tedford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Neuheisel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Richt\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Hill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Davis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Edsall

All had no HC experiance prior to their first D1 HC job.

But...never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

You list 31 examples (and Barry Alvarez twice).

26 of those (Miles, Saban, Peterson, Walker, Alvarez, Smith, Petrino, Tiller, Leach, Mangino, Bob Stoops, Friedgen, Pinckel, Pelini, Tuberville, Jones, Schiano, Dantonio, Golden, Mike Stoops, Erickson, Tedford, Richt, Hill, Davis, Edsall) were at least offensive or defensive coordinators before becoming a HC. Something Ianello has never done.

9 of them (Miles, Saban, Petrino, Friedgen, Pelini, Schiano, Hill, Davis, Edsall) coached something in the NFL along with having coordinator experience.

2 of them (Barnett at Fort Lewis College, Davis at Tulsa Rodgers High School) coached as a HC at a lower level first.

Out of your list, only Shembechler, Fry, and Neuheisel started off going from a college position coach to a FBS head coach.

If you go back and look at the threads that were around during the coaching search, you would find that I was not opposed to hiring someone with coordinator experience but believed that head coaching experience would be the preferred option. At least coordinators deal with half of roster (40 or more players) and call plays in game situations instead of just coaching 8 or 9 guys as a position coach.

Ianello has never been more than a position coach. He can recruit for easy-to-recruit schools and he can sort of coach WRs. What he can't do is call plays or recruit for a school that doesn't sell itself.

I agree with you. This has to at least concern people that, not only has he not been a head coach, but also has not been a coordinator. But the thing that really bothers me is that Akron, one of only 120 or so D-1A schools, SHOULD be able to get a guy with HC experience, if they wanted one.

And someone else tried to make the "well...everyone needs to start somewhere" point. And that's fine, IF they are "starting somewhere" much earlier in their career. With the length of time he has been in coaching, you have to at least wonder why he has not at least been a OC or DC by this point. If he's been offered such jobs, and just has not taken them, then that would explain it for me. But, it just seems odd that he has not reached at least coordinator level with his lengthy tenure in coaching.

Time will tell. He's coaching football at a MAC school, not running General Electric.

I'm sure that for every success story you could point to where a guy with HC experiece did well, you could find 10 where he failed. Failure and getting fired is the nature of coaching.

Coach I has done nothing wrong (with the exception of the texting mishap, but that seems to be working out and was really a small thing). Most of what he has done seems to be good. He ran a difficult and spirited spring program and he seems to be working hard at getting ready for fall camp. His players, especially PN, seem to be buying into his program. You guys may not like not having a golf outing, but he put on a program to support breast cancer research...that's a good thing. He had a good recruiting class for his limited time and staffing at UofA.

With all "coachers", there is a search for points of reaffirmation about their idea. If a player fumbles, then we hear, "See, if the coach had HC experience, he wouldn't fumble." If an INT is thrown, same thing. And so on. It is the nature of being a "coacher". I say the PLAYERS need to get their asses in gear this season. There are enough returning starters (70%) to make a huge difference. They need to start playing.

At the end of this year we will know more. I expect some bumps with any new coach, but as long as we don't fly off of the tracks, we should be OK. I expect the team to win 4-6 games this season. Anything above six and below four would be shocking to me.

[ZachTheZip]

Remember Rasor's 6-month assessment of the coach?

he mentioned this:

"But back to the important interactions. Word among current players is that Ianello has not hid his desire to start a rebuilding process. That means that contributors from last year won't necessarily be contributors in 2010 if Ianello believes there is a younger guy with more upside. Sources have told me that at least two starters from last season have sought to redshirt over fears that their final season won't yield the playing time they hoped. (I'm not sure why redshirting would solve that problem.)"

That means that he won't necessarily be playing the most talented players this year, instead benching starting-material upperclassmen for younger players to get more experience for next season. He's already writing off this season as a rebuilding year, despite having enough talent on the team to challenge for the MAC East title. He's not playing to win, and that's a loser's attitude and something that will permeate through the program. What about the players, who are seeing this guy have the attitude of not caring whether they win or not for a whole season, essentially writing off a quarter of their college careers as a gigantic practice session?

[GP1]

Remember Rasor's 6-month assessment of the coach?

he mentioned this:

"But back to the important interactions. Word among current players is that Ianello has not hid his desire to start a rebuilding process. That means that contributors from last year won't necessarily be contributors in 2010 if Ianello believes there is a younger guy with more upside. Sources have told me that at least two starters from last season have sought to redshirt over fears that their final season won't yield the playing time they hoped. (I'm not sure why redshirting would solve that problem.)"

That means that he won't necessarily be playing the most talented players this year, instead benching starting-material upperclassmen for younger players to get more experience for next season. He's already writing off this season as a rebuilding year, despite having enough talent on the team to challenge for the MAC East title. He's not playing to win, and that's a loser's attitude and something that will permeate through the program. What about the players, who are seeing this guy have the attitude of not caring whether they win or not for a whole season, essentially writing off a quarter of their college careers as a gigantic practice session?

What makes Rasor's opinion or the players valid?

The players are college kids who aren't exactly experts at the big picture.

Rasor is a law student who writes a blog and has limited access to the program these days.

I could get posts from the AD and Coach I saying they expect to win next year. That doesn't sound like "writing off this season as a rebuilding year" to me.

I'm sure that in this age of the internet, there is a certain desire to start searching for any quote by anyone in the program that may have used the word "rebuild". Save yourself the time. High school debate club does not interest me. None of us really know what they are thinking because they have been so closed mouthed. I have no problem with that.

Patience. Let's see how they do on the field.

[Dave in Green]

Coaching analysis by the people at coacheshotseat.com

They rate Ianello as Mediocre/Unknown .....

It's hard to argue with the category in which coacheshotseat.com includes Ianello:

Mediocre or Unknown hire. We either think this hire is mediocre or we don't know enough about this coach to have a strong opinion either way.

Fact is, none of us knows anything about Ianello as a head coach because he's never been one before. So it's all down to pure guessing about how his non-head coaching experience will translate, though some are obviously more strongly opinionated about their guesses than others.

[jupitertoo]

Coaching analysis by the people at coacheshotseat.com

They rate Ianello as Mediocre/Unknown .....

It's hard to argue with the category in which coacheshotseat.com includes Ianello:

Mediocre or Unknown hire. We either think this hire is mediocre or we don't know enough about this coach to have a strong opinion either way.

Fact is, none of us knows anything about Ianello as a head coach because he's never been one before. So it's all down to pure guessing about how his non-head coaching experience will translate, though some are obviously more strongly opinionated about their guesses than others.

Jim Grobe had never been a head coach before he came to Ohio. He completely revitalized the program in 3 years.

[Lee Adams]

Like it or not we are in the MAC, we don't have that many good coaches to hire from. I think we got the best that was out there, and frankly I think we got some of the best assistants too.

Although I agree that RI deserves a chance, I disagree with believing "we got the best that was out there". IMHO, Wistrcill did not give due diligence to the search for a head coach. He took the easy way out and hired a former acquaintance. I don't like RI's qualifications (i.e., "lack thereof") and am not excited about football season. I did renew my season ticket, but I fully expect to just go and watch with little to get excited about. I'm certain there were numerous successful head coaches at FCS and lower division schools who would have taken the opportunity to move to FBS. Although nothing is guaranteed, a successful HC from a lower division would have given me more confidence in his abilities to "run" a football team.

wow...looks there are other realists out there...i understand optimism...we had it in '05 and '06 and i think maybe in '75 and '76 too...don't trash the guy personally...but please don't think that ianello was the best coach out there who would have come to akron...was not...the athletic department is not doing him or the team any favors though with this apparent lack of pub about the coach and the team....

[Zipmeister]

Coaching analysis by the people at coacheshotseat.com

They rate Ianello as Mediocre/Unknown

Rob Ianello for JD Brookhart – Alum Rob Ianello takes over at Akron and he must have realized that since he left the school over 20 years ago his alma mater has put up a record of 100 – 146 – 3 which can’t be a very comforting thought. Of course when you are talking about going back to the Jerry Faust days at Akron we are talking about a long time ago in the game of college football and it is the current perception of Akron as being a place that has a mediocre football program that will be one of Ianello’s biggest obstacles to success. Ianello’s immediate predecessor, JD Brookhart put up record of 30 – 42 in 6 seasons with 1 MAC divisional title and only 2 winning seasons. The task for Ianello is very clear, he must make Akron a perennial contender in the MAC conference and somehow get to Zips to a winning record every year which will open up postseason opportunities and more importantly drive-up interest in Akron football and the Zips athletic department. We don’t envy Rob Ianello in what he faces at Akron because it really will take a game-changing like coach and approach, like Urban Meyer delivered to Bowling Green many years ago, to turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone to whether he can deliver the things that it will take to win at Akron.

Ianello is an alumnus? Wow we really should pay attention to what these guys have to say. That is certainly a fact left out.

If by "a fact left out" you mean "a myth included," I'm with you 100%

[Darkwaters1122]

Actually...I think you are blowing smoke. Show me proof that Meyer "excited" their fan base. iCoach desrves a chance.

"No. We needed someone who has proven that they know how to run a football program as a head coach" is really lame. EVERY great coach started with no experiance.

Here are more examples:

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All had no HC experiance prior to their first D1 HC job.

But...never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

You list 31 examples (and Barry Alvarez twice).

26 of those (Miles, Saban, Peterson, Walker, Alvarez, Smith, Petrino, Tiller, Leach, Mangino, Bob Stoops, Friedgen, Pinckel, Pelini, Tuberville, Jones, Schiano, Dantonio, Golden, Mike Stoops, Erickson, Tedford, Richt, Hill, Davis, Edsall) were at least offensive or defensive coordinators before becoming a HC. Something Ianello has never done.

9 of them (Miles, Saban, Petrino, Friedgen, Pelini, Schiano, Hill, Davis, Edsall) coached something in the NFL along with having coordinator experience.

2 of them (Barnett at Fort Lewis College, Davis at Tulsa Rodgers High School) coached as a HC at a lower level first.

Out of your list, only Shembechler, Fry, and Neuheisel started off going from a college position coach to a FBS head coach.

If you go back and look at the threads that were around during the coaching search, you would find that I was not opposed to hiring someone with coordinator experience but believed that head coaching experience would be the preferred option. At least coordinators deal with half of roster (40 or more players) and call plays in game situations instead of just coaching 8 or 9 guys as a position coach.

Ianello has never been more than a position coach. He can recruit for easy-to-recruit schools and he can sort of coach WRs. What he can't do is call plays or recruit for a school that doesn't sell itself.

HS HC qualifies???? LOL You are killing me.

If you go back and look at my threads you will see that my comments are relevant. NOT. I am responding the comment in the post!!! Not what you said months or years ago. You are starting to scare me. Are you sure you do not go to a school with a lightning bolt on the helmet???

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

I remember there were guys critical of the Porter and Dambrot hires too. iCoach deserves a chance and I have yet to see anything he has done that is wrong...and some things that I like. Time will tell. But how you can be so adamant without any facts is laughable. You still have not shown me where BG was "excited" about Meyer. Words are easy...

Don Shula says iCoach was one of the most brilliant hires in college over the last 10 years.

Mike Holmgren thinks he is innovative and intelligent

Bill Parcells thinks he is a good hire.

Urban Meyer sees some of the same qualities that made him successful.

Jim Tressel believes Ianello will turn the Zips into a rival of Ohio State

Woody Hayes says his protege will take the Zips to a National Championship game!!

...without facts the debate gets much easier. Read Dave from Green and take notes.

[ZachTheZip]

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

1. Yes. I believe he will fail. Every Zips football coach since we left the FCS has failed. Ianello will be no different.

2. Akron is not a mediocre program. We're worse than that right now. And the quotes are about teh strentgth of teh coaching hire, not the program.

3. I don't believe that. The quoted source said that. But yes, the coach is responsible. If talent alone won games, we would have been in a bowl game last season.

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

6. He has alienated his team. One incident got published across the country. It was more than a mis-fired text, because it indicated that he talked behind his players' backs instead of addressing that player's concerns directly. That's not soemthign you only do once, it's a type of behavior.

As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. I can't because he was not the best coach available, and was chosen more due to his past connection with the AD more than his ability to lead a team. I can't because he's making the same mistakes that got Brookhart fired, and doesn't see a problem with it. I can't because all I see is five years of failure and another coaching search, history repeating.

[Zipmeister]

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

1. Yes. I believe he will fail. Every Zips football coach since we left the FCS has failed. Ianello will be no different.

2. Akron is not a mediocre program. We're worse than that right now. And the quotes are about teh strentgth of teh coaching hire, not the program.

3. I don't believe that. The quoted source said that. But yes, the coach is responsible. If talent alone won games, we would have been in a bowl game last season.

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

6. He has alienated his team. One incident got published across the country. It was more than a mis-fired text, because it indicated that he talked behind his players' backs instead of addressing that player's concerns directly. That's not soemthign you only do once, it's a type of behavior.

As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. I can't because he was not the best coach available, and was chosen more due to his past connection with the AD more than his ability to lead a team. I can't because he's making the same mistakes that got Brookhart fired, and doesn't see a problem with it. I can't because all I see is five years of failure and another coaching search, history repeating.

So, I'm going to mark UAkronkid down as "undecided" on will ICoach be successful at Akron.

[Darkwaters1122]

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

1. Yes. I believe he will fail. Every Zips football coach since we left the FCS has failed. Ianello will be no different.

2. Akron is not a mediocre program. We're worse than that right now. And the quotes are about teh strentgth of teh coaching hire, not the program.

3. I don't believe that. The quoted source said that. But yes, the coach is responsible. If talent alone won games, we would have been in a bowl game last season.

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

6. He has alienated his team. One incident got published across the country. It was more than a mis-fired text, because it indicated that he talked behind his players' backs instead of addressing that player's concerns directly. That's not soemthign you only do once, it's a type of behavior.

As for giving him a chance, I can't, I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. I can't because he was not the best coach available, and was chosen more due to his past connection with the AD more than his ability to lead a team. I can't because he's making the same mistakes that got Brookhart fired, and doesn't see a problem with it. I can't because all I see is five years of failure and another coaching search, history repeating.

Kid...I think you are a irrational and delusional. You and I won't be debating in the future.

[zen]

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

1. Yes. I believe he will fail. Every Zips football coach since we left the FCS has failed. Ianello will be no different.

2. Akron is not a mediocre program. We're worse than that right now. And the quotes are about teh strentgth of teh coaching hire, not the program.

3. I don't believe that. The quoted source said that. But yes, the coach is responsible. If talent alone won games, we would have been in a bowl game last season.

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

6. He has alienated his team. One incident got published across the country. It was more than a mis-fired text, because it indicated that he talked behind his players' backs instead of addressing that player's concerns directly. That's not soemthign you only do once, it's a type of behavior.

As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. I can't because he was not the best coach available, and was chosen more due to his past connection with the AD more than his ability to lead a team. I can't because he's making the same mistakes that got Brookhart fired, and doesn't see a problem with it. I can't because all I see is five years of failure and another coaching search, history repeating.

Son...I think you are a moron. Turn out the lights..no one is at home. You and I won't be debating in the future.

no reason to get so personal. I understand what you mean, but why call him a moron?

The part that seems contradictory to me is that if you have no hope, then why are you even here?

If you want to go on record and be bold and make a prediction about the coaching hire being bad, then you have my props. Let's see how it pans out. But you still need to have hope that you are wrong. If you can't handle a challenge, go root for the Yankees

[Darkwaters1122]

Look...you painted yourself into a corner. You believe:

1. iCoach will fail (and does not deserve a chance and we should work against him) because he does not have HC experience.

2. You believe Akron is a "mediocre football program" and support that with quotes from....somewhere.

3. You believe to "turn Akron into a winner and it is up to Ianello and Ianello alone". You are a "Coacher" and believe it is the coach who is a responsible.

4. you believe he has a weak staff.

5. You believe he has written off this year as a rebuilding year.

6. You believe he has alienated his team.

Conclusion....if he has no success you can sit in the bar and say "I told you so". Good for you. But if he has any success it will be all on him. But why do I have this feeling that you will find some way to take away the credit. "JD's guys" "fans intimidated oposing team" "lucky" "full moon" "yada yada yada"

He inherited a failed program. Look at our rankings over the last 3 years. I don't read anyone here claiming he is the savior and was a brilliant hire. But...most believe he deserves a chance. Why have you devoted so much time and so many words to try and deny him that??

1. Yes. I believe he will fail. Every Zips football coach since we left the FCS has failed. Ianello will be no different.

2. Akron is not a mediocre program. We're worse than that right now. And the quotes are about teh strentgth of teh coaching hire, not the program.

3. I don't believe that. The quoted source said that. But yes, the coach is responsible. If talent alone won games, we would have been in a bowl game last season.

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

6. He has alienated his team. One incident got published across the country. It was more than a mis-fired text, because it indicated that he talked behind his players' backs instead of addressing that player's concerns directly. That's not soemthign you only do once, it's a type of behavior.

As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. I can't because he was not the best coach available, and was chosen more due to his past connection with the AD more than his ability to lead a team. I can't because he's making the same mistakes that got Brookhart fired, and doesn't see a problem with it. I can't because all I see is five years of failure and another coaching search, history repeating.

Son...I think you are a moron. Turn out the lights..no one is at home. You and I won't be debating in the future.

no reason to get so personal. I understand what you mean, but why call him a moron?

The part that seems contradictory to me is that if you have no hope, then why are you even here?

If you want to go on record and be bold and make a prediction about the coaching hire being bad, then you have my props. Let's see how it pans out. But you still need to have hope that you are wrong. If you can't handle a challenge, go root for the Yankees

Sorry...maybe I went a tad bit overboard. But my point is...I will just ignore ZTZ in the future as I don't believe he is a rational fan. Hopfully I have better things to do.

[g-mann17]

As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart.

So many other things to address then this but...

Have the same outlook on everything kid?

"I already gave a girl like you a chance, so I can't give you one."

"I already gave Italian food a chance, so I can't give this restaurant one."

Fact is, even in your poorly thought out bias to the new hire, Ianello isn't like Brookhart. Brookhart was a coordinator before coming here, with NFL experience.

I know I'm not going to convince you, I'm doubtful the stadium groundskeeper could convince you, but here are some things you should think about.

Assuming that Wistrcill and Ianello are just using the University as "stepping stones", they have to have success. That means there isn't some grand "buddy" system of conspiracy that results in failure. You put too much into a brief passing of the two at Wisconsin.

If Ianello isn't what other coaches said he was would he have had so many jobs at so many schools far more notable than ours. Meaning he has a great football mind, he knows how to organize, he knows how to plan, and he knows how to convince talented to people to work for him.

Latina was OC at Ole Miss from 1994-2004, they had 7 bowl appearances and he had a chance to learn under Tommy Tubberville and David Cutcliffe. The guy coached Eli Manning, and Deuce Mccallister.

Ianello knows where he lacks experience and he found people to fill those voids. Give it a while.

[GP1]

4. Notre Dame fans had nothing good to say about the assistants Ianello brought with him. Illinois fans rejoiced when we took their DC. If you want to ignore their complaints with blind optimism, after they spent years watching those assistants, be my guest.

5. I believe it. Rasor believes it. Ianello says he has a multi-year plan to win. That usually means he has given himself, or the AD has given him, a few years before he has to win. He has no pressure, and will use this year to build towards his future plan at the expense of winning this year. If you don't believe that, you've already given him an excuse for losing.

What if ND fans, Illinois fans and Rasor are all morons?

Let's face it, time passed ND by years ago. I'm not sure what their fans expect. At this point, neither do they.

Illinois? Well, they are used to watching Illinois, which is a mid to low level Big Ten team. Zook is a bigger problem than their dc.

Rasor? Nice guy, but kind of caught up in the neo-conservative politics of the Republican Party. Most are mentally unstable. Only in towns like Stow could he get elected. Probably made a good intramural volleyball player, but that is about it. I don't take his opinions on football too seriously. He is a liberal waiting to happen. However, since he is a UofA graduate, I wish him luck as he progresses towards being a liberal like all neo-conservatives become. Actually, neo-conservatives are in fact former liberals....sort of comes full circle.

Be careful of what you read on the internet.

[Dave in Green]

..... Be careful of what you read on the internet.

Thanks for warning us about your posts here.

[Dave in Green]

..... As for giving him a chance, I can't. I can't because I already gave a coach just like this a chance, and his name was JD Brookhart. .....

I once knew a guy like you who asked me to consider his opinions as seriously credible. I gave him a chance, and he failed to offer anything but laughable opinions that were demonstrably flawed. So why should I give you a chance?

Seriously, we're all individuals, not obvious patterns that any sports forum nerd can pick out and call correctly more than 50 percent of the time. Flipping a coin will make you right 50 percent of the time. Anything above that takes exceptional luck or some real thoughtful intelligence.

Ianello has some qualities and experience that don't fit the usual pattern of an older first-time D1 head coach without coordinator experience. The data is out there for anyone with an open mind who's trying to objectively analyze the situation. I found it and I'm far from a genius.

[Dave in Green]

Sorry...maybe I want a tad bit overboard. But my point is I will just ignore ZTZ in the future as I don't believe he is a rational fan. Hopfully I have better things to do.

If you really regret saying something about someone on this forum, you can always go back and edit your original post. After all, it's just a sports forum. None of this really matters much in the overall history of the planet, which is less than a grain of sand in the perspective of the universe.

[Darkwaters1122]

Sorry...maybe I want a tad bit overboard. But my point is I will just ignore ZTZ in the future as I don't believe he is a rational fan. Hopfully I have better things to do.

If you really regret saying something about someone on this forum, you can always go back and edit your original post. After all, it's just a sports forum. None of this really matters much in the overall history of the planet, which is less than a grain of sand in the perspective of the universe.

You can edit a past post?? Cool. I will do that in the future. I think it may be a little late for that in this case. I was definitely a moron for doing something so rash and irrational.

Thanks for the tip.

[xu9697]

Just to comment on Mallory and Illinois:

the challenge of being relevant in the Big Ten at Illinois is probably much greater than being relevant in the MAC at Akron.

Couple other things:

I think Ianello has put together a really nice group of coaches. Now, whether those coaches can be as dedicated at Akron as they were in other places, whether they can mesh together, whether they can "deal with" a "lower level" talent base in the MAC....that remains to be seen.

Ianello made a big flub with the text. Lemon is back on the team, so there must have been SOME exchange of goodwill btwn coach and player. And hopefully, in private meetings, Ianello cleared the air with not only him but the rest of the team.

As for the "3 year" vs "win now"...our first indicator will be the first late summer depth chart. I don't think, with 16 starters back, we are going to see a MASSIVE overhaul to new starters. Maybe a freshmen back-up plays more than a senior/junior back-up to get us moving in a good direction for the future. Personally, I think that is where more of "the future" will be noticed= back-ups, special teams, etc.

[MDZip]

Sorry...maybe I want a tad bit overboard. But my point is I will just ignore ZTZ in the future as I don't believe he is a rational fan. Hopfully I have better things to do.

If you really regret saying something about someone on this forum, you can always go back and edit your original post. After all, it's just a sports forum. None of this really matters much in the overall history of the planet, which is less than a grain of sand in the perspective of the universe.

Plus we're a grain of sand in the D1-A football universe right now. I'm hoping to at least build up to a bucket this year. I use the edit feature to make my predictions more accurate as time goes by. The feature is in the bottom right corner of the posts that you make.