GP1 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 And GP, the day Nicely throws for 3600 yards in a season, or the day a BCS coach says that Nicely is the best QB his team will see all season, then we'll start some comparisons. Until then, your comments look slightly foolish. Was a Charlie Frye led offense ever kept out of the endzone for entire game?? Since you asked - "Yes." In fact, wasn't it JD Brookhart's 1st season? Box Score I believe the immortal Charlie Frye threw for all of 78 yards (w/ a44% completion percentage), and a gaudy -38 yards on the ground? And with a hell of a lot better receivers than Nicely had on Saturday night, and with a veteran offensive line. The Frye & Nicely UVA/Syracuse games are eerily similar, in both circumstance and results: BCS game...first season under a new coach and system...beatdown It looks like Nicely actually performed better, since he threw the ball away (-4 rushing yards) instead of eating it like Charlie (-38 rushing yards). Oh, and Nicely - True Soph. Frye - 5th year Senior. They say "The only thing new is the history you don't know." You are all welcome for the hyperbole-free perspective, and the history lesson. People see what they want to see. I tend to see what actually happened. The book on Nicely is far from it's completion. This week he should throw for 300+ yards, and everyone will marvel at his arm strength, and his growth from game #1 to game #2. Then we'll lose at K.entucky, and everyone will clamor to see the hobbled, banjo-armed Matt Rodgers save the season. Which ain't gonna happen. Stick with Nicely, and you shall be rewarded. You want to compare 2004 Virginia, one of the BEST DEFENSES IN THE NATION, led by Ahmad Brooks and Chris Canty, to Syracuse???? There were about 8 draft picks on that Virginia defense. The Syracuse team we played yesterday would be lucky to have one!!! Apples to oranges Cap, you know better!! Here's a better comparison. Charlie Frye's sophomore year season opener. On the road. Against a GOOD Iowa team. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores102/1...WA------0nr.htm 21-29 for 230 yards. If Patrick Nicely had done that Saturday, I would like where we're going. Instead he laid an egg against a team that's a lot more akin to upper level MAC than a good BCS team. The best QB on the field that day only had nine pass attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Regardless of whether Frye sucked, Nicely certainly does. I've never said Frye sucks. He just isn't a winner. Facts are facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Frye also threw for 336 in his sophomore year against Virginia. Who's taking wagers that Nicely will throw for 300+ on either of our remaining 2 BCS opponents? You want in on that action Cap? I know GP doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Regardless of whether Frye sucked, Nicely certainly does. I've never said Frye sucks. He just isn't a winner. Facts are facts. And like I said before, you can't really blame a QB who's throwing for 300 yards a game and losing. We had some of the worst defenses in the history of college football. Facts are facts. And Frye still managed to win more games in his 4 years than any other 4 year span in our D1 history. The bottom line is, Nicely has more talent on this team than Frye ever thought about. If he's half as good as Cap claims he is, he should double Frye's victory total. I know if we'd had the defense in those days that the team does now, we'd have won a lot more games. 3 more in my senior year alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 The best QB on the field that day only had nine pass attempts. I practiced with both of them everyday, and just trust me when I say Nick Sparks was not on the same level as Charlie Frye. Sparks was very physically gifted but the guy didn't have it upstairs to be playing QB. He played out his career at the right position. But seriously, enough with the generational comparisons here. Back to Zip Football 2010. Nicely needs to get in the film room and get better. His accuracy is always going to be an issue. He doesn't have great recievers. But if he knows opposing schemes like the back of his hand going into games, he'll take us where we want to go. 70% of being a good QB is knowing where to go with the ball and going there with precise timing. Nicely looked lost Saturday. He not only was off on his throws, but he was throwing to the wrong places at the wrong times. 10% may be his receivers. 10% of that may be his accuracy. 10% of that can maybe be blamed on the coaching. 70% of it however can likely be blamed on the fact that PN didn't do his homework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Regardless of whether Frye sucked, Nicely certainly does. I've never said Frye sucks. He just isn't a winner. Facts are facts. And like I said before, you can't really blame a QB who's throwing for 300 yards a game and losing. We had some of the worst defenses in the history of college football. Facts are facts. And Frye still managed to win more games in his 4 years than any other 4 year span in our D1 history. The bottom line is, Nicely has more talent on this team than Frye ever thought about. If he's half as good as Cap claims he is, he should double Frye's victory total. I know if we'd had the defense in those days that the team does now, we'd have won a lot more games. 3 more in my senior year alone. But you didn't. Excuses....always excuses. Was there poor defenese? Yes. However, how many times after driving down the field fail to convert short fourth down plays? It happened time and again. Choke artists. Lots of teams move the ball well between the 20s...look at what Navy did today and they lost because they couldn't execute when it mattered. It isn't really a slap in the face of the player of that era so it is unfair for me to generalize for that era only. It has been going on for 20+ years now. Only once in the past 20+ years have we got the job done when it mattered and Frye wasn't on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akron football Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Here's my take on the game. the defense did a very good job and need to build on the success they had rushing the QB. The D-backs are suspect and need to address getting beat deep. The special teams still seem to be an issue that can kill us, the offense is a work in progress but will not be able to go forward without a solid line that can give Nicely time to develop the new offensive scheme. If we can't protect the QB we are in a world of hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 The best QB on the field that day only had nine pass attempts. I practiced with both of them everyday, and just trust me when I say Nick Sparks was not on the same level as Charlie Frye. Sparks was very physically gifted but the guy didn't have it upstairs to be playing QB. He played out his career at the right position. But seriously, enough with the generational comparisons here. Back to Zip Football 2010. Nicely needs to get in the film room and get better. His accuracy is always going to be an issue. He doesn't have great recievers. But if he knows opposing schemes like the back of his hand going into games, he'll take us where we want to go. 70% of being a good QB is knowing where to go with the ball and going there with precise timing. Nicely looked lost Saturday. He not only was off on his throws, but he was throwing to the wrong places at the wrong times. 10% may be his receivers. 10% of that may be his accuracy. 10% of that can maybe be blamed on the coaching. 70% of it however can likely be blamed on the fact that PN didn't do his homework. Don't expect some of these people to show an appreciation for good information about a player, team, or situation coming from an informed/experienced source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted September 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 And GP, the day Nicely throws for 3600 yards in a season, or the day a BCS coach says that Nicely is the best QB his team will see all season, then we'll start some comparisons. Until then, your comments look slightly foolish. Was a Charlie Frye led offense ever kept out of the endzone for entire game?? Since you asked - "Yes." In fact, wasn't it JD Brookhart's 1st season? Box Score I believe the immortal Charlie Frye threw for all of 78 yards (w/ a44% completion percentage), and a gaudy -38 yards on the ground? And with a hell of a lot better receivers than Nicely had on Saturday night, and with a veteran offensive line. The Frye & Nicely UVA/Syracuse games are eerily similar, in both circumstance and results: BCS game...first season under a new coach and system...beatdown It looks like Nicely actually performed better, since he threw the ball away (-4 rushing yards) instead of eating it like Charlie (-38 rushing yards). Oh, and Nicely - True Soph. Frye - 5th year Senior. They say "The only thing new is the history you don't know." You are all welcome for the hyperbole-free perspective, and the history lesson. People see what they want to see. I tend to see what actually happened. The book on Nicely is far from it's completion. This week he should throw for 300+ yards, and everyone will marvel at his arm strength, and his growth from game #1 to game #2. Then we'll lose at K.entucky, and everyone will clamor to see the hobbled, banjo-armed Matt Rodgers save the season. Which ain't gonna happen. Stick with Nicely, and you shall be rewarded. You want to compare 2004 Virginia, one of the BEST DEFENSES IN THE NATION, led by Ahmad Brooks and Chris Canty, to Syracuse???? There were about 8 draft picks on that Virginia defense. The Syracuse team we played yesterday would be lucky to have one!!! Apples to oranges Cap, you know better!! Here's a better comparison. Charlie Frye's sophomore year season opener. On the road. Against a GOOD Iowa team. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores102/1...WA------0nr.htm 21-29 for 230 yards. If Patrick Nicely had done that Saturday, I would like where we're going. Instead he laid an egg against a team that's a lot more akin to upper level MAC than a good BCS team. Seriously...did Zach steal ITZ's IP address? Must have, 'cuz no one else would post such a vapid response to cold hard facts. ITZ boasts that Frye was never held out of the endzone. A fallacy that anyone with 3 seconds of free time can easily debunk. ITZ boasts about some dominant Virginia defense that... well, they gave up 37 in a loss to Fresno State in the prestigious 2002 MPC Computers Bowl in Boise. Now...in his latest bizarre bit of selective memory... ITZ brags about a stellar Frye game (Iowa) where...get this...Frye was down 37-0...AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER!!! ITZ is stoked about Frye's mediocre stats where Iowa had Frye's Zips down 37-0 after 15 minutes!! DO YA THINK IOWA LET UP A LITTLE AND LET THE CUTE FUZZY HAPLESS LITTLE ZIPPERS GET SOME POSITIVE YARDS AFTER 37 - 0?? Gheez... I bet that 21-29 for 230 yards is a sweet memory for old #5. Dude...I can't debate QB Zips QB play with you until you elevate your level of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxZIP Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 The best QB on the field that day only had nine pass attempts. I practiced with both of them everyday, and just trust me when I say Nick Sparks was not on the same level as Charlie Frye. Sparks was very physically gifted but the guy didn't have it upstairs to be playing QB. He played out his career at the right position. But seriously, enough with the generational comparisons here. Back to Zip Football 2010. Nicely needs to get in the film room and get better. His accuracy is always going to be an issue. He doesn't have great recievers. But if he knows opposing schemes like the back of his hand going into games, he'll take us where we want to go. 70% of being a good QB is knowing where to go with the ball and going there with precise timing. Nicely looked lost Saturday. He not only was off on his throws, but he was throwing to the wrong places at the wrong times. 10% may be his receivers. 10% of that may be his accuracy. 10% of that can maybe be blamed on the coaching. 70% of it however can likely be blamed on the fact that PN didn't do his homework. I am glad that he didn't throw 3-4 picks because his recievers were just not getting open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Frye also threw for 336 in his sophomore year against Virginia. Who's taking wagers that Nicely will throw for 300+ on either of our remaining 2 BCS opponents?I wish I had magical powers. I would replay the Syracuse game with Frye, Joe Montana, and Michael Vick at QB, and post the box score for you guys. I think everybody that went to the game can predict it though. It would only surprise the people that weren't there. I hope our QB gets more chances to make plays in the air this Saturday. Get the TE out in the passing route, provide some check downs and hold on to the post plays down the middle (JC-step it up!). Can we play action pass on first down instead of second down? I'm guessing we won't see as many max protects this week, and we'll see more receivers (WR/TE/RB/FB) in routes. I'm encouraged by Austin Baily's one catch, he seems to have soft hands (if you can judge that from one catch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAZip Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Could someone on the coaching staff correct the punt team's illegal formation after the first, second or third penalty? All that time to practice and soooo many penalties for illegal procedure or formations. Simply poor coaching. Mid-way through the 3rd quarter, my son said, "maybe next week the Zips could erect a barn in Info to see if Nicely could hit it", I frankly had to agree. To Nicely's defense, the dropped pass by Carter early on and the penalties had to be frustrating. Protection was not good. Anyone ever hear of a quick slant? Anything to get the ball out on the perimeter, and I'm not talking about the WR screens thrown 3 yards behind them. Zips have needed someone to step up at RB for 15 years. Every series of the Zips downs should have started at 2nd and 8, first down play calling was predictable. Defense played well, especially DL and LBs. 4th and 1 or 2 on the 25 yards line - you play the games to win, not to be respectable a loss is a loss. GO FOR IT, successful you are down by 7 - unsuccessful, they have to go 75 yards for a score. I heard they are charging $20 for GA seats. Really? Are they 300% better than watching high school teams? They should "give the tickets away" until they fill the place up (hint: winning - look at the soccer team). A guy told me he spent $80 dollars for GA seats for his family to see the bands' butts and watch a poorly played game. He said he would not go back, too expensive. Sell them for $10, soak them for $5 for hotdog and pop. Easy math $20 time one game versus $15 less $0.75 for the pop and hot-dog times 6 games = $85 - all other costs are fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 I heard they are charging $20 for GA seats. Really? Are they 300% better than watching high school teams? They should "give the tickets away" until they fill the place up (hint: winning - look at the soccer team). A guy told me he spent $80 dollars for GA seats for his family to see the bands' butts and watch a poorly played game. He said he would not go back, too expensive. Sell them for $10, soak them for $5 for hotdog and pop. Easy math $20 time one game versus $15 less $0.75 for the pop and hot-dog times 6 games = $85 - all other costs are fixed.CPA? Certified Public Accountant, or Citizens' Police Academy? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 I heard they are charging $20 for GA seats. Really? Are they 300% better than watching high school teams? They should "give the tickets away" until they fill the place up (hint: winning - look at the soccer team). A guy told me he spent $80 dollars for GA seats for his family to see the bands' butts and watch a poorly played game. He said he would not go back, too expensive. Sell them for $10, soak them for $5 for hotdog and pop. Easy math $20 time one game versus $15 less $0.75 for the pop and hot-dog times 6 games = $85 - all other costs are fixed. look i understand akron needs to win to draw. that's a fact. however its posts like this that makes laugh out loud. can't have it both ways....we need to be big time....we need to give everything away for free. get over it!!!! the university has made it known they expect more from their athletics and have shown it monetarily. the only thing we can do as fans and alumni is to demand a better product on the field. stop the whining about how much stuff costs they are never going back to the acme game....they are never going back to everyone gets in free day.....they are better than that and as alumni and fans we should be above it. sorry, i promise to never go on another rant like that again on this board but it needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 GoZips hombre...the department of athletics expects more from their athletics program? Really....how is it that people on this board continue to point out how they are probably one of the most half assed organizations I've ever seen run? Look at companies that are tops in their field for customer service and creating an environment people want to be a part of it the compare it with Akron Athletics - especially the game day experience. FAIL! Why should we as fans have to pay while they continue to f*ck around and not get anything right with football. Shouldn't we expect them to put something on the field and the ask us to pay for it? I've been sold the same pile of shit with little to no results for 22 years. Now because YouTube Tom is selling it with Capt Personality Coach I running the show I'm supposed to buy it. Excuse me for not buying it. I've been posting on here with a some others since the blue board days....yes that is right I made a reference to something you have no clue what it is because you weren't around. I am expecting more from this program and the reason I get pissed off when I see crap like I saw Saturday night. The product they put on the field is worth about $5 yet they are charging $20 -- that is just a fact. Funny thing I was done posting about last Saturday until I read your post (among others) directing people to get a clue about paying $20 for a crap product. That kind of mentality will drive people away and I noticed it this year with all the empty seats around my season tickets. I expect many more next year if this shit keeps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAZip Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Go Zips - if you paid for tuition you should probably ask for a refund. Keep charging $20 for GA and putting crap on the field and you will be laughing out loud and no one will be there to hear you. I expect more from the U of A athletics too. The general public who aren't die hard fans will not become fans until they come to see a affordable, quality and entertaining product. I could go to any City Series High School game and see less illegal procedure calls on both teams. I have been as big a fan as anyone, traveling many miles to away games for both FB and MBB for 25+ years. The Zips always seem to lay an egg when they get opportunities to show their stuff. Like 5,000 white wearing Zip fans and one section of Can't State fans at a home basketball game and the Zips go out an play like it was their first week of practice. Morgan St was great for an opener and followed by Indiana and they come out flat. How was attendance the following week? Syacuse debacle will yield similar results, especially at $20 per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxZIP Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Go Zips - if you paid for tuition you should probably ask for a refund. Keep charging $20 for GA and putting crap on the field and you will be laughing out loud and no one will be there to hear you. I expect more from the U of A athletics too. The general public who aren't die hard fans will not become fans until they come to see a affordable, quality and entertaining product. I could go to any City Series High School game and see less illegal procedure calls on both teams. I have been as big a fan as anyone, traveling many miles to away games for both FB and MBB for 25+ years. The Zips always seem to lay an egg when they get opportunities to show their stuff. Like 5,000 white wearing Zip fans and one section of Can't State fans at a home basketball game and the Zips go out an play like it was their first week of practice. Morgan St was great for an opener and followed by Indiana and they come out flat. How was attendance the following week? Syacuse debacle will yield similar results, especially at $20 per. Problem solved...you can now pay $15 for the next five home games. Limited time special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted September 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Go Zips - if you paid for tuition you should probably ask for a refund. Keep charging $20 for GA and putting crap on the field and you will be laughing out loud and no one will be there to hear you. I expect more from the U of A athletics too. The general public who aren't die hard fans will not become fans until they come to see a affordable, quality and entertaining product. I could go to any City Series High School game and see less illegal procedure calls on both teams. I have been as big a fan as anyone, traveling many miles to away games for both FB and MBB for 25+ years. The Zips always seem to lay an egg when they get opportunities to show their stuff. Like 5,000 white wearing Zip fans and one section of Can't State fans at a home basketball game and the Zips go out an play like it was their first week of practice. Morgan St was great for an opener and followed by Indiana and they come out flat. How was attendance the following week? Syacuse debacle will yield similar results, especially at $20 per. Problem solved...you can now pay $15 for the next five home games. Limited time special Limited...until they drop to $10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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