Hazell To Can't

[Buckzip]

Can't gets the OSU WR coach/associate HC.

Ouch for us. He's a good coach and can recruit.

[zipseuph]

Can't gets the OSU WR coach/associate HC.

Ouch for us. He's a good coach and can recruit.

whats his arrest record?

[Big Zip]

To quote the myriad of posters on this board....why would this guy want to come to the MAC? He'd have to take a pay cut. I know this is a different OSU coach but same assistant HC title right or was this guy not paid as well?

[ZachTheZip]

Let's see... WR coach, assistant HC, no playcalling or coordinator experience but is a great recruiter...

I think we've seen what happens in this scenario.

[Valpo Zip]

Nooooo!!!! But this Razzle Dazzle (or whatever his name is) comes from OSU...so we have to bow down to him and be scared.

See, here at zipsnation, we hate anything related to OSU and we keep talking about them being cheaters and suckeyes and other names but on the other end, we want our AD fired because he didn't get us an OSU coach. Talk about inferority complex.

This guy (Hazell) was a good recruiter at OSU, but so was Ianello at ND. This guy is starting with his team from scratch, Ianello has known the team by now. This guy has no coaching experience, Ianello has a year under his belt. This guy has no field house, no new stadium, and a hippy campus in the woods. Why would anyone believe that he should be more successful than Ianello?

Oh right, because he comes from OSU

[ZipRoo]

This guy (Hazell) was a good recruiter at OSU, but so was Ianello at ND. This guy is starting with his team from scratch, Ianello has known the team by now. This guy has no coaching experience, Ianello has a year under his belt. This guy has no field house, no new stadium, and a hippy campus in the woods. Why would anyone believe that he should be more successful than Ianello?

You didn't seriously ask that question, did you? Take the blinders off and check the records; K-S-U's program is in much better shape.

And at least K-S-U had the sense to stick with an OHIO guy, not a ND carpetbagger.

[GP1]

I'm not worried about this guy. He's a nobody and probably way down on the list of candidates they were REALLY interested in. Can't is a terrible program (like ours for that matter) with little to offer (ours has a lot to offer). There is WAY more upside at Akron than Can't. The fact the guy coached at OSU does not impress me because I think what they have going on in Columbus is smoke and mirrors. Let's see how this guy does when he has little going for his program. The fact that this guy is from Ohio does not impress me and I'm not sure why it should impress me or anyone else for that matter.

[Captain Kangaroo]

To quote the myriad of posters on this board....why would this guy want to come to the MAC? He'd have to take a pay cut. I know this is a different OSU coach but same assistant HC title right or was this guy not paid as well?

Hmmm....why would he want to be a head coach in the MAC....boy, that's a tough one....

Maybe he wants to parlay one great season into a Big East gig, like one at Pitt (like Haywood just did)?

Maybe he wants to parlay his MAC success into a sweet gig at a school like Miami Florida (like Al Golden just did)?

Maybe he aspires to move from a HC job in the MAC to being a head coach in the Big 10 (like Jerry Kill just did)?

Maybe he wants a head coaching job in the Big 12, and feels the MAC is a good place to ascend (worked pretty good for Turner Gill)?

Where's Central Michigan's Butch Jones right now? Answer - Cincinnati

That's FIVE MAC coaches that have landed lucrative BCS jobs in the past two seasons?! Why the hell wouldn't a BCS position coach want to be a head coach in the MAC?

By comparison, if you do a bang-up job as Jim Tressels' WR coach for 3 years, what are your chances of landing a BCS HC position?

Answer: Z-E-R-O.

[GP1]

And at least K-S-U had the sense to stick with an OHIO guy

This guy just won the MAC. Texas high school graduate. ND graduate. No Ohio ties other than a short time as an assistant.

In the 21st Century, Ohio schools have won the MAC four times. Only Toledo had an Ohio guy coaching their team. Miamioh had Hoepner...Indiana guy (sp?) and Haywood (sp?) Texas/ND guy. Akron had JD...Colorado guy. It is fantasy to believe it matters whether or not a guy is from Ohio. The facts just don't support it.

[GP1]

Maybe he wants to parlay one great season into a Big East gig, like one at Pitt (like Haywood just did)?

Maybe he wants to parlay his MAC success into a sweet gig at a school like Miami Florida (like Al Golden just did)?

Maybe he aspires to move from a HC job in the MAC to being a head coach in the Big 10 (like Jerry Kill just did)?

Maybe he wants a head coaching job in the Big 12, and feels the MAC is a good place to ascend (worked pretty good for Turner Gill)?

Where's Central Michigan's Butch Jones right now? Answer - Cincinnati

All good points.

The real question is, can you do that from Can't? I say no. I also say UofA is a great opportunity for a coach looking to do exactly what all of the coaches above did. It has everything a program would need to be successful. All Coach I has to do is turn a losing mentality into a winning mentality and they can go all the way.

Fans sometimes confuse a coach who goes from a MAC school to a BCS school as a great coach. Most coaches, and people working in college athletics, are opportunists. I don't blame them for making the moves they do, but I also don't confuse the moves they make as proof they are great at what they do. (For those of you who think you have to pay a coach a ton of money to get a good one need to have the fact pointed out to them that Haywood was the lowest paid coach in the MAC last year.) I have no problem with guys like Kill, Gill and Jones duping low level BCS schools into paying them a lot of money. They all have families to support and a million dollars at a BCS school goes a lot further than $200,000 at a MAC school. Most of these guys want to do great at their schools and then cash in even more like the greatest opportunist of the first decade of the 21st Century did, Brian Kelly. Kelly took short bursts of success at various schools and used it to cash in at the easiest to dupe school, Notre Dame...they hired Faust for crying out loud.

Here is what I want to happen at UofA. I want Coach I to go 9-3 next year, win the MAC and dupe a BCS level school to throw a bunch of money at him. It sure would beat the losing we have watched for the past 20+ years.

[MaxZIP]

Maybe he wants to parlay one great season into a Big East gig, like one at Pitt (like Haywood just did)?

Maybe he wants to parlay his MAC success into a sweet gig at a school like Miami Florida (like Al Golden just did)?

Maybe he aspires to move from a HC job in the MAC to being a head coach in the Big 10 (like Jerry Kill just did)?

Maybe he wants a head coaching job in the Big 12, and feels the MAC is a good place to ascend (worked pretty good for Turner Gill)?

Where's Central Michigan's Butch Jones right now? Answer - Cincinnati

All good points.

The real question is, can you do that from Can't? I say no. I also say UofA is a great opportunity for a coach looking to do exactly what all of the coaches above did. It has everything a program would need to be successful. All Coach I has to do is turn a losing mentality into a winning mentality and they can go all the way.

Fans sometimes confuse a coach who goes from a MAC school to a BCS school as a great coach. Most coaches, and people working in college athletics, are opportunists. I don't blame them for making the moves they do, but I also don't confuse the moves they make as proof they are great at what they do. (For those of you who think you have to pay a coach a ton of money to get a good one need to have the fact pointed out to them that Haywood was the lowest paid coach in the MAC last year.) I have no problem with guys like Kill, Gill and Jones duping low level BCS schools into paying them a lot of money. They all have families to support and a million dollars at a BCS school goes a lot further than $200,000 at a MAC school. Most of these guys want to do great at their schools and then cash in even more like the greatest opportunist of the first decade of the 21st Century did, Brian Kelly. Kelly took short bursts of success at various schools and used it to cash in at the easiest to dupe school, Notre Dame...they hired Faust for crying out loud.

Here is what I want to happen at UofA. I want Coach I to go 9-3 next year, win the MAC and dupe a BCS level school to throw a bunch of money at him. It sure would beat the losing we have watched for the past 20+ years.

Dean Pees did pretty well from Can't. He replaced Mangini at DC for the Pats. Pees left Michigan State for a HC position with Can't and I would say it worked out for him in the long run.

[GP1]

Dean Pees did pretty well from Can't. He replaced Mangini at DC for the Pats. Pees left Michigan State for a HC position with Can't and I would say it worked out for him in the long run.

I agree. However, he didn't get to New England because of his great coaching record at Can't. He got there because of his personal/professional relationship with the head coach.

[Quickzips]

Why would anyone believe that he should be more successful than Ianello?

Because to this point it is nearly impossible to be LESS successful than Ianello.

[MaxZIP]

Dean Pees did pretty well from Can't. He replaced Mangini at DC for the Pats. Pees left Michigan State for a HC position with Can't and I would say it worked out for him in the long run.

I agree. However, he didn't get to New England because of his great coaching record at Can't. He got there because of his personal/professional relationship with the head coach.

Being a HC at Can't didn't hurt his career.

[GP1]

Dean Pees did pretty well from Can't. He replaced Mangini at DC for the Pats. Pees left Michigan State for a HC position with Can't and I would say it worked out for him in the long run.

I agree. However, he didn't get to New England because of his great coaching record at Can't. He got there because of his personal/professional relationship with the head coach.

Being a HC at Can't didn't hurt his career.

It depends on what his career aspirations were. If they were to go to Can't and have losing season, one after another, then go to coach at New England, I would agree with you 100%. If he wanted the Can't job in order to parlay success into a BCS job, it hurt his aspirations.

[Buckzip]

Why would anyone believe that he should be more successful than Ianello?

Because to this point it is nearly impossible to be LESS successful than Ianello.

My thoughts exactly.

[skip-zip]

Why would anyone believe that he should be more successful than Ianello?

Because to this point it is nearly impossible to be LESS successful than Ianello.

[Z.I.P.]

Dean Pees did pretty well from Can't. He replaced Mangini at DC for the Pats. Pees left Michigan State for a HC position with Can't and I would say it worked out for him in the long run.

I agree. However, he didn't get to New England because of his great coaching record at Can't. He got there because of his personal/professional relationship with the head coach.

Being a HC at Can't didn't hurt his career.

It depends on what his career aspirations were. If they were to go to Can't and have losing season, one after another, then go to coach at New England, I would agree with you 100%. If he wanted the Can't job in order to parlay success into a BCS job, it hurt his aspirations.

Well, history shows that if you have at least one winning season at K-ent, you can have a long BCS career. Ask Don James and Glenn Mason. The trouble is gaining that one winning season. (at K-ent!) Not many are willing to take a chance on it.

[GP1]

Well, history shows that if you have at least one winning season at K-ent, you can have a long BCS career. Ask Don James and Glenn Mason. The trouble is gaining that one winning season. (at K-ent!) Not many are willing to take a chance on it.

I agree. You just described almost every MAC school. Unfortunately, we are in somewhat of the same position Can't is in. The trouble with Akron is gaining that one winning season as well, and not a 6-6 record. Akron is in a good postion to turn things around if they could just turn a bunch of guys who don't believe they can win into a group of guys who believe they can win. There's a lot more to that, but in general, there is more up-side at Akron than any other floundering MAC school.

[skip-zip]

Well, history shows that if you have at least one winning season at K-ent, you can have a long BCS career. Ask Don James and Glenn Mason. The trouble is gaining that one winning season. (at K-ent!) Not many are willing to take a chance on it.

I agree. You just described almost every MAC school. Unfortunately, we are in somewhat of the same position Can't is in. The trouble with Akron is gaining that one winning season as well, and not a 6-6 record. Akron is in a good postion to turn things around if they could just turn a bunch of guys who don't believe they can win into a group of guys who believe they can win. There's a lot more to that, but in general, there is more up-side at Akron than any other floundering MAC school.

I wonder if JD wishes he had left after his 2nd year.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Well, history shows that if you have at least one winning season at K-ent, you can have a long BCS career. Ask Don James and Glenn Mason. The trouble is gaining that one winning season. (at K-ent!) Not many are willing to take a chance on it.

I agree. You just described almost every MAC school. Unfortunately, we are in somewhat of the same position Can't is in. The trouble with Akron is gaining that one winning season as well, and not a 6-6 record. Akron is in a good postion to turn things around if they could just turn a bunch of guys who don't believe they can win into a group of guys who believe they can win. There's a lot more to that, but in general, there is more up-side at Akron than any other floundering MAC school.

I wonder if JD wishes he had left after his 2nd year.

Probably not. He got paid $250k to sit on his couch and be "Mr. Mom" for 12 months last year. Now he's got a $300k+/yr job back in his home state coaching college football.

[Sergeant Zip]

Can't gets the OSU WR coach/associate HC.

Ouch for us. He's a good coach and can recruit.

Quick read from the Cleveland Fan. One quote that I think I've heard before, "Can't returns a ton of talent from a team that severely underachieved last season, so the good times at Dix Stadium might be coming sooner than everyone thinks."

[Blue & Gold]

Marla's take on Hazell.