Suckeyes Tattoo Investigation

[skip-zip]

Rivals.com currently has recruiting class rankings going back to 2002. Given OSUs rankings their performance, in my opinion, exceeds what would be expected.

Year OSU Ranking

2002 5th

2003 41st

2004 9th

2005 12th

2006 12th

2007 15th

2008 4th

2009 3rd

2010 25th

Buckzip, if this data is correct, then I was wrong on the facts about their recruiting rankings.

It just seems to me like all of the OSWho fans I know tell me that they have one of the top recruiting classes every year. And that wouldn't surprise me that they're wrong since most of those people are your typical "the Buckeyes can do no wrong" type of fans.

[Dave in Green]

One of the more interesting aspects for me in the OSU-Arkansas game is the Razorback's QB. Ryan Mallett spent his freshman year at the University of Michigan, and was expected to be UM's next big NFL QB prospect. But he transferred to Arkansas after Rich Rodriguez took over at UM and began looking for running QBs. So this is the QB and more the type of offense OSU would have been facing in their games against UM if Rodriguez hadn't been brought in as head coach.

[Zipmeister]

I'm glad you can laugh at your 0-9 record against the SEC like the rest of the country does. Most Suckeye fans get their panties in a wad when you bring it up, it's a real sore subject apparently. I give you props for accepting reality and taking it with a smile .

First off, it's not my record. I don't know why anyone would get upset. It's a fact. I am sure these are the same friends you always use to try to make a point. You know, the friends that don't exist.

By the way, OSU is 7-11-2 VS the SEC. Get your facts straight. They are 0-9 in bowl games.

Your "facts" are incorrect.

The thing I find amusing about you and the others that think they can hurt my feelings when they say that stuff is because I don't care what you think. You are absolutely clueless about college football and you have no objectivity. You are consumed with jealousy and hate. Deny it all you want.

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

I predicted 3 losses this season. I am surprised at only 1. I have no idea if they will beat Arkansas.

I also find it funny that no matter what you say, you are just showing more SPS. Obviously it makes you feel better to attack OSU non stop. That is why you say Suckeyes, and OSwho. It's a defense mechanism that you use. I admit it , I used to do the same type of thing before I reached puberty.

I find it funny that you just happen to know their record vs the SEC. Do you know everyones record against every other conference or just the one you like to follow and hate?

I love how you have prepared yourself just in case OSU beats Arkansas. You say they are middle of the road in the SEC. Maybe historically they are, but not this season. We go by this season only since this is when they are playing.

Again, if OSU loses you and the others will be on here trying to attack me over it. If OSU wins, you will make an excuse for it and say they were lucky, bla, bla, bla. In case you never noticed, I don't come here after OSU games. I don't rub in a win or care what you have to say about a loss.

Let's face it, if OSU went 12-0 made it to the NC game and won it, you would find a reason to say they were lucky or give some other excuse as to why they won it.

Another poster here mentioned how OSU beat Oregon last year in the Rose bowl only because Kirk Herbstreit made it happen. ROFLMAO. Of course, Oregon was over rated. LOL

Perhaps you guys that are so enamored with the SEC can answer why they rarely if ever travel out of conference to road games. OSU has played USC, Texas, Miami, and have Miami and Colorado both next year.

Since you are so in love with the SEC, you should probably check out most of those teams OOC schedule. You will see it is as weak or weaker than OSU's. Of course that wouldn't fit your agenda.

Keep attacking, you only make yourself look foolish.

As for your buddy GP1. After I correct his BS information and lack of facts he never responds. He is like the big bully that isn't used to anyone standing up to him.

I know, If I don't care why do I make such long posts?

It's because I love pointing out how flawed and ridiculous your posts are.

Happy New Year. I am sure your wish is for OSU to lose every game.

I think you are happier with an OSU loss than a UA win.

My ideal college football weekend is when Akron wins, and OSU and ND lose.

[Dr Z]

I find it interesting that EVERY YEAR I hear of OSWho having one of the top couple of recruiting classes. Yet, they aren't winning national titles. Honestly, doesn't that leave you to question your coach? If they are indeed getting the best players, but aren't winning the titles, isn't that a no-brainer to classify that as an "underachieving" situation?

I have a friend who has always said, "Tressel is one bad pass interference call away from being John Cooper"

[GP1]

Bucknut...the SEC doesnt travel often to the BigTen because they would lose here in the cold in these crappy conditions (that football was meant to be played in). That's a fact.

OOC games are played in September. Hardly freezing cold in the north. Do northern teams not travel to the south in September because it is hot enough to rip you skin off?

Please sight to me where is says football was meant to be played in cold weather. It seems to me that cheerleaders have to cover up their bodies in cold weather. Fans want to see mini-skirts and skin so football was meant to be played in warm weather. That is a fact I can get behind.

[Buckzip]

Rivals.com currently has recruiting class rankings going back to 2002. Given OSUs rankings their performance, in my opinion, exceeds what would be expected.

Year OSU Ranking

2002 5th

2003 41st

2004 9th

2005 12th

2006 12th

2007 15th

2008 4th

2009 3rd

2010 25th

Buckzip, if this data is correct, then I was wrong on the facts about their recruiting rankings.

It just seems to me like all of the OSWho fans I know tell me that they have one of the top recruiting classes every year. And that wouldn't surprise me that they're wrong since most of those people are your typical "the Buckeyes can do no wrong" type of fans.

Skip, I don't know if those rankings are correct or not. I don't pay a lot of attention to it. I usually look at the current year and don't think much about past classes. Recruiting rankings are very flawed. Neither Oregon nor Auburn are usually in the top 5, but they are playing for the NC.

I will agree with you that there are fans that think OSU can do no wrong. You are 100% correct on that. If you were ever on an OSU board you would see myself and quite a few others arguing with them quite a bit too.

On the OSU board there are Debbie Downers(those that don't think OSU is the greatest team year in and year out) and Sunshine Pumpers(those that defend everything OSU and are homer to the core)

I "assume" every fan base has their share.

[Buckzip]

I find it interesting that EVERY YEAR I hear of OSWho having one of the top couple of recruiting classes. Yet, they aren't winning national titles. Honestly, doesn't that leave you to question your coach? If they are indeed getting the best players, but aren't winning the titles, isn't that a no-brainer to classify that as an "underachieving" situation?

I have a friend who has always said, "Tressel is one bad pass interference call away from being John Cooper"

Anyone that watched that game would know that is BS. I could give you video proof and pics but it wouldn't matter.

If it wasn't for a missed int call before that and a catch that was called out of bounds when every replay showed it inbounds that play wouldn't have happened.

As for the rest, Coop didn't have an 8-1 record vs UM. Coop didn't win multiple B10 titles.

To be honest, when people on an OSU board say what I just said, I remind them that UM was better when Coop was coach.

[GP1]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look.

Of course they have played in more BCS games than anyone else. If they don't, there is something really wrong with their program. Their conference is a cakewalk and they don't play anyone ooc so of course they are going to end up in a BCS game. Even if they come in second in the Big Ten, they are a darling of the pollsters and will have a high enough ranking to land in a BCS game...this year for example. It's smoke and mirrors.

They also do have a winning record in those games. The BCS started in 1998 and tOSU played and beat Texas A&M....sort of a big time program, but not really. In their next two BCS games, they beat Miami and K-State in 2002 and 2003.....Miami was once a big time program, but not now.....If they played in the Big Ten, Miami would probably be in the Legends Division as like the Big Ten they are living off of the past and the past is better than today. K-State had a good run, but not exactly a historically great program and would probably be in the Leaders Division.

In 2005, tOSU beat ND. ND has not been good in 15 years. This game does not count.

Now we move on to the really big boys. Florida, LSU and Texas.....loss, losss and loss.....SEC, SEC and Big 12. The SEC, Big 12 and PAC 10 are the top tier of conferences. tOSU really doesn't compete well against top tier teams. Throw in a 1-3 record against USC and Texas during this time period and the program looks even worse. They did do well against the MAC in the BCS years though going undefeated.

Oregon was the best BCS win tOSU had since beating K-State in 2003. Too bad it takes them six years between big wins in bowl games.

The analysis that a lot of people don't pay much attention to is the fact that Tressel has not been very good once his team was loaded with his players and not Cooper leftovers. He has been terrible in recent years. He is a smart guy though. You are an idiot if you thing Tressel is anything other than smart and savvy about how to schedule his games and how to make himself and the program look better than it really is. He knows the secret to his success is loading up the ooc schedule with MAC schools and teams from the Legends Divisions whose greatness has long passed....They play Miami next year. Miami hasn't been good for years, but everyone still thinks they are good. Tressel can't do anything about the Big Ten. It is what it is....the top second tier conference. That doesn't mean beating Big Ten teams shouldn't be laughed at though. It was once a leader, but now a legend of a conference.

The intellectual masturbation even an average tOSU fan can perform upon themselves is art. BuckZip is more than your average fan, he is a honk. His level of intellectual masturbation about the program could be sold in art galleries in Ohio.

I'll also say this. If tOSU doesn't beat Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl, there is really something wrong with tOSU. This is a second level SEC program they are playing. They didn't even win their division. Tressel has to be as nervous as the Wizard of Oz was when Dorthy et al were standing outside of the curtain. It will be interesting to see how tOSU responds to the recent events. My guess is it will not affect them as most of the players could really care less about off the field problems. If tOSU wins, fans around Ohio will be twitterpated. They won't understand it was no different than beating K-Stat or A&M, but who are we to throw cold water on anyone masturbating.

Anyhow, I'm going to Hilton Head for a couple of days. Have a nice week.

[Lee Adams]

Just saw a press conference where the OSU AD blamed it all on the lack of pocket money for athletes and suggested that a fund was needed in case an athlete needed to pay for gas or take his girl out for a nice dinner. What crap, these folks have their college education paid for on completely non-academic reasons but somehow it would help if they had a little pocket change for something like desperately needed tattoos? He also only used the word "he" so apparently it should only apply to those in revenue producing sports? Really get tired of the coddled college athlete image, its one of the reasons I love the Zips soccer team.

What if he has no access to any money? Have you ever not had a dime to your name and no chance to go out and make any? I'm not saying that is the case with him, but there are guys playing college football around the country who grew up in shacks and have zero money. Universities are making millions off of these players and they don't have enough money to take a girl out on a date. There is something wrong with that in my mind.

Yep you are right. There is something wrong. Until the NFL starts a farm system like baseball it will continue to use universities for that purpose. So you will continue to get kids of the type you describe going to school to devlope themselves for the NFL and not to obtain a degree. The NFL saves millions and the NCAA and universities make millions.

[FBJunkie]

It's amazing that a post about "The" Ohio State football team generates 8 pages of responses on an Akron Zips sport forum. Guess not much to discuss about the Zips, huh?

[skip-zip]

I find it interesting that EVERY YEAR I hear of OSWho having one of the top couple of recruiting classes. Yet, they aren't winning national titles. Honestly, doesn't that leave you to question your coach? If they are indeed getting the best players, but aren't winning the titles, isn't that a no-brainer to classify that as an "underachieving" situation?

I have a friend who has always said, "Tressel is one bad pass interference call away from being John Cooper"

I actually know a lot of people who say this. And it's pretty easy to take this point of view when you consider their recent record against high-ranked teams, and in those national championship games.

[Yahtzee]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look.

Of course they have played in more BCS games than anyone else. If they don't, there is something really wrong with their program. Their conference is a cakewalk and they don't play anyone ooc so of course they are going to end up in a BCS game. Even if they come in second in the Big Ten, they are a darling of the pollsters and will have a high enough ranking to land in a BCS game...this year for example. It's smoke and mirrors.

They also do have a winning record in those games. The BCS started in 1998 and tOSU played and beat Texas A&M....sort of a big time program, but not really. In their next two BCS games, they beat Miami and K-State in 2002 and 2003.....Miami was once a big time program, but not now.....If they played in the Big Ten, Miami would probably be in the Legends Division as like the Big Ten they are living off of the past and the past is better than today. K-State had a good run, but not exactly a historically great program and would probably be in the Leaders Division.

In 2005, tOSU beat ND. ND has not been good in 15 years. This game does not count.

Now we move on to the really big boys. Florida, LSU and Texas.....loss, losss and loss.....SEC, SEC and Big 12. The SEC, Big 12 and PAC 10 are the top tier of conferences. tOSU really doesn't compete well against top tier teams. Throw in a 1-3 record against USC and Texas during this time period and the program looks even worse. They did do well against the MAC in the BCS years though going undefeated.

Oregon was the best BCS win tOSU had since beating K-State in 2003. Too bad it takes them six years between big wins in bowl games.

The analysis that a lot of people don't pay much attention to is the fact that Tressel has not been very good once his team was loaded with his players and not Cooper leftovers. He has been terrible in recent years. He is a smart guy though. You are an idiot if you thing Tressel is anything other than smart and savvy about how to schedule his games and how to make himself and the program look better than it really is. He knows the secret to his success is loading up the ooc schedule with MAC schools and teams from the Legends Divisions whose greatness has long passed....They play Miami next year. Miami hasn't been good for years, but everyone still thinks they are good. Tressel can't do anything about the Big Ten. It is what it is....the top second tier conference. That doesn't mean beating Big Ten teams shouldn't be laughed at though. It was once a leader, but now a legend of a conference.

The intellectual masturbation even an average tOSU fan can perform upon themselves is art. BuckZip is more than your average fan, he is a honk. His level of intellectual masturbation about the program could be sold in art galleries in Ohio.

I'll also say this. If tOSU doesn't beat Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl, there is really something wrong with tOSU. This is a second level SEC program they are playing. They didn't even win their division. Tressel has to be as nervous as the Wizard of Oz was when Dorthy et al were standing outside of the curtain. It will be interesting to see how tOSU responds to the recent events. My guess is it will not affect them as most of the players could really care less about off the field problems. If tOSU wins, fans around Ohio will be twitterpated. They won't understand it was no different than beating K-Stat or A&M, but who are we to throw cold water on anyone masturbating.

Anyhow, I'm going to Hilton Head for a couple of days. Have a nice week.

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

[InTheZone]

Perhaps you guys that are so enamored with the SEC can answer why they rarely if ever travel out of conference to road games. OSU has played USC, Texas, Miami, and have Miami and Colorado both next year.

Since you are so in love with the SEC, you should probably check out most of those teams OOC schedule. You will see it is as weak or weaker than OSU's. Of course that wouldn't fit your agenda.

Hmmm... perhaps the reason no one says anything about SEC teams out of conference schedules, is because those teams actually play someone IN CONFERENCE.

Are you seriously going to try to sit here and dog the SEC when they've won FOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW, and are about to make it FIVE, and its been done by FOUR different teams?? Wow, you're dumber than I thought.

0-10 baby. I don't hate OSU. I just hate the OSU fan who is delusional enough to think you're one of the elite national programs . And those guys who get their panties in a wad... well... I guess you are one of them after all, evidenced by that chapter you wrote as a response

[ZachTheZip]

[Z.I.P.]

That is my sentiment exactly.

[RootforRoo44]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

[InTheZone]

WAKE UP! This isn't a soccer game!

[Buckzip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

[skip-zip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

[Buckzip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types",which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

[Dave in Green]

My experience with OSU fans is that they are pretty typical sports fans. Some show class and others act like jerks. Debating whether they are all classy or all jerky is futile.

[skip-zip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron.

[Buckzip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron.

I see none. I can guarantee you that I know many, many, many more OSU people than you do.

I can also point you to sites to prove it. All you have is your supposed friends that act that way.

I also would bet that you started most of the crap with your supposed friends.

This remeinds me of Cincy last year. Most OSU fans were happy that Cincy was doing well. Then the Concy fans started coming to OSU sites and saying they were the best in Ohio and OSU wanted no part of them and being complete jerks. Then of coruse the OSU fans changed their tune. I feel this is you.

I have stated many times that there are bad apples everywhere. When you have as big of a fanbase as OSU does there are going to be a decent amount of jerks..

However, your thoughts that most or many are that way is completely incorrect.

[skip-zip]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron.

I see none. I can guarantee you that I know many, many, many more OSU people than you do.

I can also point you to sites to prove it. All you have is your supposed friends that act that way.

I also would bet that you started most of the crap with your supposed friends.

This remeinds me of Cincy last year. Most OSU fans were happy that Cincy was doing well. Then the Concy fans started coming to OSU sites and saying they were the best in Ohio and OSU wanted no part of them and being complete jerks. Then of coruse the OSU fans changed their tune. I feel this is you.

I have stated many times that there are bad apples everywhere. When you have as big of a fanbase as OSU does there are going to be a decent amount of jerks..

However, your thoughts that most or many are that way is completely incorrect.

Again, you indicated that hatred does not exist from OSWho's side. And you'd be incredibly naive if you think that is true.

We could debate the magnitude of the hatred all day long and not accomplish anything. That wasn't part of my response.

[Yahtzee]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron.

I see none. I can guarantee you that I know many, many, many more OSU people than you do.

I can also point you to sites to prove it. All you have is your supposed friends that act that way.

I also would bet that you started most of the crap with your supposed friends.

This remeinds me of Cincy last year. Most OSU fans were happy that Cincy was doing well. Then the Concy fans started coming to OSU sites and saying they were the best in Ohio and OSU wanted no part of them and being complete jerks. Then of coruse the OSU fans changed their tune. I feel this is you.

I have stated many times that there are bad apples everywhere. When you have as big of a fanbase as OSU does there are going to be a decent amount of jerks..

However, your thoughts that most or many are that way is completely incorrect.

Again, you indicated that hatred does not exist from OSWho's side. And you'd be incredibly naive if you think that is true.

We could debate the magnitude of the hatred all day long and not accomplish anything. That wasn't part of my response.

SkipZip,

I understand your point if you are interpreting Buckzips response EXACTLY as written in the one response above, but I think we can all agree, especially based on some of his follow up comments, that he agrees that just like all sports fanbases there are some good and bad amongst Ohio State followers. There seems no reason left to argue except for the sake of arguing, but I will say with my personal observations that the great majority of Ohio State fans I have met are just like the great majority of University of Akron fans I know, they support thier team and usually are supportive of other Ohio teams as long as they are not playing the one they support first. I also agree that other than a few obnoxious fans that say "soccer is not a real sport" the majority i know have been complimentery of the zips soccer success.

Lastly, the wording of the title of this thread alone certainly does not speak well of us Zips fans and also lends credibility to the argment that the reason some Ohio State fans get riled up and accusatory is partly in response to our actions as well.