Clayton Moore

[skip-zip]

GP1 nailed it earlier when he said that the kid has talent and wins. Virtually every college football QB was a winner at the HS level. But leading a team to a juco championship is a much stronger proof point than winning a HS championship.

I especially like that he has a chip on his shoulder to prove how good he is to those who don't believe in him. He believes that he belongs at a top BCS school. If he completely dedicates himself to proving all the top BCS schools wrong in passing on him, he could become a beast of a QB in the MAC. He also believes that he can make it in the NFL. With the success of previous MAC QBs in the NFL, he knows that if he performs at the highest level for UA that he has a chance of being drafted.

You never really know until it plays out on the field. But there's good reason to be optimistic about Moore.

I agree completely with your remarks. But, are you referring to a high school championship with our current QB? His team got completely blown out in the first round of the high school playoffs, and his offense didn't score a single point.

[Dave in Green]

Skip, no I wasn't referring to any HS QB in particular. I was speaking in general about leading a team to a juco championship being a much stronger proof point for a QB than performing well at the HS level, including winning a HS championship. Just recognizing that the level of competition gets increasingly stronger as a player moves up through the various levels of football, which makes a player's achievements more impressive at higher levels because they come against a higher level of competition. Quality juco QBs are not a common commodity, and I feel good about the Zips ability to land one like Moore. There are no guarantees. He could be a total bust even at the MAC level. But I think the odds of success are better for a QB who's proven himself to be a champion at the juco level.

[Zipmeister]

Is a proof point like a price point?

[ZachTheZip]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

[Zipmeister]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

[GP1]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

[K92]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

+1

Um, I think Nick Fairley was a juco as well. Huh. Of all things. The best two players on the national champion team were juco transfers. Wow, the things you learn.

[Dave in Green]

..... Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

Moore led Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College to the regular season championship in the Mississippi Association of Community & Junior Colleges.

He then led MGCCC to victory over #3 ranked Grand Rapids (Michigan) Community College in the Mississippi Bowl, 62-53.

MGCCC finished #3 in the final National Junior College Athletic Association national football rankings.

For the 12-game season, Moore was 155 of 257 (60%) for 2,395 yards, 23 TDs and 7 interceptions. While these stats made him only the 14th highest rated juco QB in the country (Zach Stoudt was ranked 12th), the important point is that he led his team to #3 in the country.

Moore is a proven winner at a higher level than HS.

[GoZips88]

the important point is that he led his team

Our soccer squad had LEADERS all over the field AND at the helm.

Rifle and track have also had their share of LEADERS.

I believe our two high-profile-sport teams (men's basketball and football) are sorely lacking in leadership. I was in the camp that preferred to see a coach brought in who has been there and won that. I see that in Clayton assuming he also takes care of business in the classroom and away from the football field. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what this guy can do at UA and in the MAC the next couple of years.

GO ZIPS!!!

[Zipmeister]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

[scottditzen]

Saying all JUCO players play there "for one reason" just sounds ridiculous.

Unless I'm missing something.

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

[GP1]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

Before going to a JUCO, Cam Newton had a scholarship and played at Florida.

Mike Johnson played at Arizona State before transfering to a JUCO and then later UofA.

[GJGood]

highlight reel

2010:

Watching this video I am wondering if we can recruit any of those offensive linemen too. Didn't see a lot of QB pressure or collapsing pockets on the video

[Zipmeister]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

Before going to a JUCO, Cam Newton had a scholarship and played at Florida.

Mike Johnson played at Arizona State before transfering to a JUCO and then later UofA.

Yep. Both went the JUCO route for the same reason as every other JUCO player.

[GP1]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

Before going to a JUCO, Cam Newton had a scholarship and played at Florida.

Mike Johnson played at Arizona State before transfering to a JUCO and then later UofA.

Yep. Both went the JUCO route for the same reason as every other JUCO player.

It's OK to admit you overstated your original point...... Both didn't go because they couldn't get scholarships. They did have scholarships and were at those schools on scholarship and played on the football teams while on scholarship. Would you like to clarify your point?

[Zipmeister]

In a JUCO league, you play against the "best of the rest". Players who couldn't get a D-I scholarship for whatever reason but were still good enough to make their JUCO team. So middle-to-upper high school talent that's a year or two older and stronger. Better than playing against solely high school teams and players, but it comes at the cost of time and less years of eligibility.

Did Moore win a league championship or something more? I'm not clear on what he won.

There's only one reason.

Tell that too Cam Newton.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. There are a lot of good players playing JUCO for a lot of reasons. Not all are D1 talent, but a lot are.

I beg to differ. I do know what I am talking about.

I agree there are a lot of good players that play JUCO ball, but they all play JUCO ball for one reason.

Before going to a JUCO, Cam Newton had a scholarship and played at Florida.

Mike Johnson played at Arizona State before transfering to a JUCO and then later UofA.

Yep. Both went the JUCO route for the same reason as every other JUCO player.

It's OK to admit you overstated your original point...... Both didn't go because they couldn't get scholarships. They did have scholarships and were at those schools on scholarship and played on the football teams while on scholarship. Would you like to clarify your point?

They ended up at a JUCO cause they screwed up, just like everyone else on the team.

[akronzips71]

Is he going to ride in on a white horse?

Will he be wearing a mask under his helmet?

Will his favorite receiver be Tonto?

Will they give him a silver football to throw?

And the biggest question of all:

CAN WE GET THE GUY HE WAS THROWING TO?

and

When he gets pissed off at iCoach is he going to leave the Stadium with a mighty

"HI HO SILVER AWAYYYYY"

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

[GP1]

They ended up at a JUCO cause they screwed up, just like everyone else on the team.

How did they screw up?

[johnnyzip84]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

[K92]

They ended up at a JUCO cause they screwed up, just like everyone else on the team.

How did they screw up?

Some go the juco route because nobody was interested in them coming out of high school, like Aaron Rodgers for example.

[K92]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

This guy probably never got teased at all.

[akronzips71]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

This guy probably never got teased at all.

But the writer did:

He had went to college at Arizona State University. At ASU, Fair lettered in track and football.

[Zipmeister]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

This guy probably never got teased at all.

But the writer did:

He had went to college at Arizona State University. At ASU, Fair lettered in track and football.

Corrected sentence:

He had went to college at Arizona State University where he done lettered in track and football.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

This guy probably never got teased at all.

But the writer did:

He had went to college at Arizona State University. At ASU, Fair lettered in track and football.

Corrected sentence:

He had went to college at Arizona State University where he done lettered in track and football.

2:23am and Zipmeister's still going strong.

[Zipmeister]

I mean really, his parents had some sense of humor. No wonder he is screwed up. Imagine enduring that your entire life. As bad as a boy names Sue.

Who knows, maybe an "unfortunate" name serves to toughen a player up? Perhaps Dick Butkus (one example) might not have been the quite the same LB without the teasing that no doubt came along the way.

This guy probably never got teased at all.

But the writer did:

He had went to college at Arizona State University. At ASU, Fair lettered in track and football.

Corrected sentence:

He had went to college at Arizona State University where he done lettered in track and football.

2:23am and Zipmeister's still going strong.

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