jem101 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 If the rumor at the 7:30 point in this interview is true... I don't have the words. :puke: :puke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The Mark Madden story written 7 months ago. (from the above post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem101 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 If the rumor at the 7:30 point in this interview is true... I don't have the words. :puke: :puke: If you are unable to listen to the link, heres an article detailing what was said: Y! Sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I hope that the "pimp" rumor in the audio about what happened at The Second Mile is not true. The situation is already bad enough without that. But when something is covered up for this long, it's hard to predict how rotten it might turn out to be at the core.A closer examination of the timeline and consideration of other details indicate the potential of a deep and widespread scandal that goes beyond PSU football and PSU in general.The first documented case of Sandusky's criminal behavior on PSU's campus was the first shower room episode in 1998. It was investigated by the State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office. The results of those investigations almost certainly must have been shared with his employer, PSU, including the man for whom Sandusky worked, Joe Paterno.Within a year, Sandusky's surprise retirement announcement was made by PSU. Sandusky was only 55 years old, in the prime of his coaching career. He was named assistant coach of the year in 1986 and 1999, and was widely believed to be a leading candidate for a college head coaching job. No other school ever touched him after his premature retirement.Everyone at PSU who may have known of the 1998 investigations into Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with a youth on the PSU campus also knew that after his early retirement that Sandusky was devoting his full time to The Second Mile, working closely with troubled youths.In 2002 they were all reminded of Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with youths when he was caught in a PSU shower with yet another young boy. And they all still knew that Sandusky was devoting his full time to working with troubled youths at The Second Mile.Joe Paterno is listed by The Second Mile as a member of its honorary board of directors. In other words, Paterno lent the reputation of his name to be used by The Second Mile to make that organization more credible, which would have resulted in more youths being attracted to that organization. What did Paterno really know about Sandusky when he allowed the continued use of his name by the organization?But it goes beyond Paterno and PSU. The State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office knew that Sandusky had a problem with youths, yet apparently did nothing to investigate his activities with The Second Mile.Everyone remotely connected with this needs to be investigated thoroughly and in depth by a tough, credible law enforcement organization. If the State of Pennsylvania lives and dies with PSU football, then perhaps a federal investigation would be appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I was glad to see scrolling obnoxiously across the bottom of the screen last night during the Zips game that "Joe admits he should have done more." There was also a scroll that read something to the fact "I'll continue to do everything I can to help Penn State University." I would hope at some point and time that Joe does everything he can to help the victims, PSU doesn't need as much help as the victims do.+1 Well said. I don't think Paterno is a bad guy and will realize what a huge mistake he made. Hopefully he can spend the remainder of his life correcting this error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I hope that the "pimp" rumor in the audio about what happened at The Second Mile is not true. The situation is already bad enough without that. But when something is covered up for this long, it's hard to predict how rotten it might turn out to be at the core.A closer examination of the timeline and consideration of other details indicate the potential of a deep and widespread scandal that goes beyond PSU football and PSU in general.The first documented case of Sandusky's criminal behavior on PSU's campus was the first shower room episode in 1998. It was investigated by the State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office. The results of those investigations almost certainly must have been shared with his employer, PSU, including the man for whom Sandusky worked, Joe Paterno.Within a year, Sandusky's surprise retirement announcement was made by PSU. Sandusky was only 55 years old, in the prime of his coaching career. He was named assistant coach of the year in 1986 and 1999, and was widely believed to be a leading candidate for a college head coaching job. No other school ever touched him after his premature retirement.Everyone at PSU who may have known of the 1998 investigations into Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with a youth on the PSU campus also knew that after his early retirement that Sandusky was devoting his full time to The Second Mile, working closely with troubled youths.In 2002 they were all reminded of Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with youths when he was caught in a PSU shower with yet another young boy. And they all still knew that Sandusky was devoting his full time to working with troubled youths at The Second Mile.Joe Paterno is listed by The Second Mile as a member of its honorary board of directors. In other words, Paterno lent the reputation of his name to be used by The Second Mile to make that organization more credible, which would have resulted in more youths being attracted to that organization. What did Paterno really know about Sandusky when he allowed the continued use of his name by the organization?But it goes beyond Paterno and PSU. The State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office knew that Sandusky had a problem with youths, yet apparently did nothing to investigate his activities with The Second Mile.Everyone remotely connected with this needs to be investigated thoroughly and in depth by a tough, credible law enforcement organization. If the State of Pennsylvania lives and dies with PSU football, then perhaps a federal investigation would be appropriate.I agree with almost 100% of your post… but there are going to be people who it seems should have known but did nothing but were expected to look closer. When a squeaky clean guy like Paterno (and maybe even Sandusky)is involved and no accusations have ever come to light most are just going to trust that things are OK. So...we need to investigate but do it in a calm, rational manner rather than a lynch mob looking for the next victim on the tree. And...leave the Federal Government out of this. They have no jurisdiction here unless the boys are from out-of-state and that does not appear to be the case. They can't even investigate Holder or Solyndra professionally. It is the United STATES...I like it that way ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I hope that the "pimp" rumor in the audio about what happened at The Second Mile is not true. The situation is already bad enough without that. But when something is covered up for this long, it's hard to predict how rotten it might turn out to be at the core.A closer examination of the timeline and consideration of other details indicate the potential of a deep and widespread scandal that goes beyond PSU football and PSU in general.The first documented case of Sandusky's criminal behavior on PSU's campus was the first shower room episode in 1998. It was investigated by the State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office. The results of those investigations almost certainly must have been shared with his employer, PSU, including the man for whom Sandusky worked, Joe Paterno.Within a year, Sandusky's surprise retirement announcement was made by PSU. Sandusky was only 55 years old, in the prime of his coaching career. He was named assistant coach of the year in 1986 and 1999, and was widely believed to be a leading candidate for a college head coaching job. No other school ever touched him after his premature retirement.Everyone at PSU who may have known of the 1998 investigations into Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with a youth on the PSU campus also knew that after his early retirement that Sandusky was devoting his full time to The Second Mile, working closely with troubled youths.In 2002 they were all reminded of Sandusky's inappropriate behavior with youths when he was caught in a PSU shower with yet another young boy. And they all still knew that Sandusky was devoting his full time to working with troubled youths at The Second Mile.Joe Paterno is listed by The Second Mile as a member of its honorary board of directors. In other words, Paterno lent the reputation of his name to be used by The Second Mile to make that organization more credible, which would have resulted in more youths being attracted to that organization. What did Paterno really know about Sandusky when he allowed the continued use of his name by the organization?But it goes beyond Paterno and PSU. The State College Police Department, the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, and the Centre County District Attorney's office knew that Sandusky had a problem with youths, yet apparently did nothing to investigate his activities with The Second Mile.Everyone remotely connected with this needs to be investigated thoroughly and in depth by a tough, credible law enforcement organization. If the State of Pennsylvania lives and dies with PSU football, then perhaps a federal investigation would be appropriate.I agree with almost 100% of your post… but there are going to be people who it seems should have known but did nothing but were expected to look closer. When a squeaky clean guy like Paterno (and maybe even Sandusky)is involved and no accusations have ever come to light most are just going to trust that things are OK. So...we need to investigate but do it in a calm, rational manner rather than a lynch mob looking for the next victim on the tree. And...leave the Federal Government out of this. They have no jurisdiction here unless the boys are from out-of-state and that does not appear to be the case. They can't even investigate Holder or Solyndra professionally. It is the United STATES...I like it that way ;-)If there is a possibility that crimes were committed on trips out-of-state OR PSU is too strong of a brand name in PA for this situation to be investigated objectively (and it is, I live there), then the Federal Government needs to take over.I am a minimalistic about government intervention at all levels, but please spare me the lecture about state's rights. The Civil War settled that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I'm with you on the lynch mob mentality, Doug. Many innocent people have suffered and even lost their lives at the hands of lynch mobs who went off without a thorough and impartial investigation. That's why we have the rule of law in this country. I also agree that local and state law enforcement officials have the primary responsibility here. But we can be reasonably certain from the information available that more than one state law enforcement agency may have fallen short in not following through on investigating Sandusky's association with a local charitable organization that worked closely with troubled youth. We still do not know who all fell short in what areas, and who in positions of power may have been part of any coverup. I'm sure that there are many good people in the State of Pennsylvania who are capable of handling this investigation. But if there's any doubt that anyone is in any way trying to protect anyone else from full disclosure, the feds can be counted on to provide impartial investigative backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I'd say there's no way PA's U.S. (federal gov't) senators & reps won't have some input into and influence over the investigation and cleanup of this high-profile and far-reaching mess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Feds are already investigating possible violations of federal laws. Ed. Dept. investigating Penn State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 One of the victims' mothers is saying the police told her not to speak with reporters...this was in 98 i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I'd say there's no way PA's U.S. (federal gov't) senators & reps won't have some input into and influence over the investigation and cleanup of this high-profile and far-reaching mess.. And I don't think there's any way the U.S. Congress doesn't pass some new legislation in the aftermath to criminalize failure of an eyewitness to report such abuse directly to the police. One thing we're learning from this is that states should not have an option to be soft on pedophilia. All this makes me wonder what safeguards UA has in place for this kind of possibility. I'm sure every school in the country will be updating their policy manuals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Ironic how other colleges have riots when they fire the coach. Akron might have one if they don't. I heard somewhere JoPa comes from a different time and place (he's so dang old) and comes from a dn't ask don't tell culture in America's sometimes ugly past. Makesmore sense than a cover up. And would explain his seemingly misunderstanding of the severity of the crime now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I'm sure that there are many good people in the State of Pennsylvania who are capable of handling this investigation. I'm sure there are as well. But will they? The Paterno machine is alive and well in Pennsylvania. It has become cultlike (see riots to support Paterno). There aren't too many elected officials who want to risk their future elections on a complete investigation. The only solution at this point is Federal involvement. The Feds are already looking into the accuracy of reports submitted to them pertaining to this issue. My understanding is schools are required to submit to the Federal government reports on campus crime and this may have been covered up or not fully reported. I think this is just the tip of the ice and much more about Paterno and others is going to surface. Always remember my Zips friends, we never really know much about the people we see on TV. When you hear reports about what great people like Paterno and Tressel are, you should really question how well the people saying that know them. A lot of the time, they have things in their past that make the opposite true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Ironic how other colleges have riots when they fire the coach. Akron might have one if they don't. By the time these clowns are done, they won't have enough people who care to have a riot and then play a basketball game after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011...se-scandal.html Buzz Bissinger sums it up for us. I like writers who can paint a bigger picture of the issue. In this case, Buzz gets to the entire culture of college athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I'm sure that there are many good people in the State of Pennsylvania who are capable of handling this investigation. I'm sure there are as well. But will they? The Paterno machine is alive and well in Pennsylvania. It has become cultlike (see riots to support Paterno). There aren't too many elected officials who want to risk their future elections on a complete investigation. The only solution at this point is Federal involvement. The Feds are already looking into the accuracy of reports submitted to them pertaining to this issue. My understanding is schools are required to submit to the Federal government reports on campus crime and this may have been covered up or not fully reported. I think this is just the tip of the ice and much more about Paterno and others is going to surface. Always remember my Zips friends, we never really know much about the people we see on TV. When you hear reports about what great people like Paterno and Tressel are, you should really question how well the people saying that know them. A lot of the time, they have things in their past that make the opposite true. Just curious, is there a reason that you had to use a guy that enabled a child rapist to do his thing and a guy that covered up that his players were selling there own stuff for tats in the same sentence? I take it that in your world those things are similar. I remember a couple months ago you were bragging how awesome JoePa was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Is it getting deeper everyday. According to Jimmy Church, a missing D.A.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 This is not breaking news about the missing DA. This has been included in some of the stories earlier this week. But it's only been mentioned as an aside. In reality, the fact that the DA who made the decision not to prosecute Sandusky in 1998 went missing in 2005 and his body was never found, is a huge sign that this case is going to explode far beyond Joe Paterno, PSU football and PSU as an institution. This whole thing stinks at a level that will cause us all to be holding our noses for a long time. Here's how the Brits see it: UK Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 More details on the DA's disappearance in this story. Very mysterious about the cigarette ashes found in his abandoned car since he didn't smoke and didn't allow others to smoke in his car. Also mysterious how the DA's laptop hard drive was destroyed, and investigators found evidence on the DA's home computer that someone had used that computer to search for information on how to destroy a computer hard drive. Gricar's 2005 disappearance only one of many mysteries in PSU scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 This SI story by sports law professor Michael McCann discusses legal aspects of the PSU case, and is well worth reading by everyone for a different perspective from all the other news stories: Sandusky grand jury presentment doesn't tell the whole story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
you am i Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 This SI story by sports law professor Michael McCann discusses legal aspects of the PSU case, and is well worth reading by everyone for a different perspective from all the other news stories: Sandusky grand jury presentment doesn't tell the whole story At this point, Paterno's lawyers have to be telling him not to say another word about this to anyone. I am trying to imagine Joe Paterno being called as a witness and asserting his 5th Amendment right not to incriminate himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I really like this SI story that gets to the heart of the problem created when there's no system of checks and balances in place. It also correctly points out how we fans are partly responsible for helping create an atmosphere where a coach can do no wrong as long as he's winning and doesn't get caught up in something so bad that it can't be swept under the rug. Penn State tragedy shows danger of making coaches false idols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Just curious, is there a reason that you had to use a guy that enabled a child rapist to do his thing and a guy that covered up that his players were selling there own stuff for tats in the same sentence? I take it that in your world those things are similar. I remember a couple months ago you were bragging how awesome JoePa was. Doesn't have anything to do with a comparing the two so you are taking it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'm not a fan of either program, but I'm pretty sure only one of those 2 should spend a bunch of time in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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