Hire Paul Winters Now.

[g-mann17]

Perhaps a better comparison would have been, does Summa hire a Dr. that runs a clinic in Moosehead to run City Hospital?

I like that analogy better than my own.

I thought the football team budget management question was related to comparing the experience of the various candidates for the UA head coaching position.

Which of the current candidates has more experience as a head coach at any level managing a team budget of any level?

A director of football operations.

That is who handles the team budget. A Head coach rarely touches that, its up to the AD and the operations personnel. He may say he wants to spend on things, but he isn't in charge of the money.

[Zipgrad01]

Awful lot of people assuming that Paul Winters is the one getting hired.

I am.

I certainly could be wrong, but the 440V line dropping in the bathtub describes the level of shock I'd receive if it's anyone else.

That is about the level of shocked I would be as well. If they wait until Monday to introduce any of the other candidates, it will have been a huge time management blunder. Everything, and I mean everything is pointed directly at Winters being hired.

[Zip Watcher]

Whoever we hire, it should have been at least a week ago. If we wait until sunday to announce the coach will not be able to recruit at all, because the recruiting "dead period" where coaches can no longer have contact with prospects starts on Monday.

If Winters really wanted the job, we could have leveraged to get him to earlier or else we would need to move on. The fact that we are waiting is horrendous for the wellbeing of the football program. I don't care about your stupid D-II playoffs that draw less than high school games. Either you want to be our coach and will come here on our terms, or you don't really want the job.

It's excruciating to me that we're intentionally crippling the program in order to get this guy. It's also a disturbing sign that we really had no other plan but to hire Winters, even as better options were knocking on the door.

This is disgusting and Wistrcill should be fired for this B.S.

No one will ever accuse Zach of not being opinionated.

or reasoned.

or objective.

[Dave in Green]

Guys are *really* asking why a school would go after Terry Bowden? Come on, you're better than that. Name aside, I'd think you're familiar with his record and success. And if you truly don't believe that his hiring at UA would be welcomed tenfold locally, over PW, then you were probably among those calling for a two-point conversion instead of overtime.

I've looked at TB's record pretty closely. So has every losing FBS program in the country. Even the most desperate losing FBS programs looking for a winning coach to turn their programs around have all passed on him. Why? You'd think at least one of them would be "better than that."

TB on Wikipedia

[Dave in Green]

A director of football operations.

That is who handles the team budget. A Head coach rarely touches that, its up to the AD and the operations personnel. He may say he wants to spend on things, but he isn't in charge of the money.

So you're saying the budget management question isn't applicable to Winters or any of the other candidates? Then there's no need for further discussion of the budget management point. No one appears to have an advantage or disadvantage on this point when it comes to comparing the various candidates.

On to the next point.

[g-mann17]

That is about the level of shocked I would be as well. If they wait until Monday to introduce any of the other candidates, it will have been a huge time management blunder. Everything, and I mean everything is pointed directly at Winters being hired.

I don't see it being a "time management" issue if they go in a different direction. What would the time have accomplished on a recruiting stand point? We barely have in-roads on anyone anyway.

The fact that everything is pointing towards Winters is why I doubt it will be him, it's logical, our program has been anything but logical for as long as I can remember.

I won't be upset if it is Winters, it would be a good choice. But I won't be shocked at all if it isn't.

[Zipmeister]

Awful lot of people assuming that Paul Winters is the one getting hired.

I am.

I certainly could be wrong, but the 440V line dropping in the bathtub describes the level of shock I'd receive if it's anyone else.

I too would be shocked if a live 440V line dropped in the bathtub. For this to occur either the line or the tub had to be terribly located.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_277_and...20_single_phase

[Dave in Green]

The latest take from CFCoachingNews.com:

Mike Johnson is a former Akron quarterback that has spent most of his coaching career in NFL. He has worked for some of the best coaches in the business, but is from the west coast and most of his coaching ties are there as well. Paul Winters has been the favorite to land the job since they fired Rob Ianello. He is currently preparing for the Division II national championship against D-II powerhouse Pittsburgh State. Most believe the reason the search has taken so long is due to the playoff run that Wayne State has been on, which will conclude on Saturday. Winters has spent the last eight years as head coach at Wayne State compiling a record of 48-42. He is 12-3 this season, had one 9 win season, and one 8 win season. Winters is from Akron, he played at Akron, and coached at Akron before landing this job. He wants the job and he would excite the fan base that wants a coach that is a proven head coach. Mike Stoops, Pat Narduzzi, and Ed Warriner appear to be secondary candidates at this point, but you never know what will happen in college football today.

CFCoachingNews.com

[Dr Z]

CFCoachingNews.com

Sounds like the writer thinks MJ would be the man, but won't take the job. I've read something like that somewhere else, hmmm....

[johnnyzip84]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

[g-mann17]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

[xu9697]

Right on, g-mann. That quote says EVERYTHING.

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple," Winters said.

Boy, are we living that nightmare.

[GP1]

Right on, g-mann. That quote says EVERYTHING.

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple," Winters said.

Boy, are we living that nightmare.

We sure did. I said that all last year. We don't have the base athletic talent to even compete in the MAC. A guy can be the greatest coach in the world, but if he doesn't have talent, he is doomed to failure. Everything starts with talent.

This team is in order for a harsh house cleaning this off season.

[Blue & Gold]

My grandfather was a high school football HC & used to say, "You can't plow the field without the horses."

[you am i]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

When other MAC teams were beating Akron senseless the past two years, it looked to me like it was a coaching issue as well as a talent issue.

[skip-zip]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

When other MAC teams were beating Akron senseless the past two years, it looked to me like it was a coaching issue as well as a talent issue.

I think you're right. It was some combination of both. I know some people like to bash on ICoach, but I believe he was seriously lacking in adequate personnel in a number of areas. He may have been a bad coach, but no coach can win with bad players.

[UAZipster0305]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

When other MAC teams were beating Akron senseless the past two years, it looked to me like it was a coaching issue as well as a talent issue.

I think you're right. It was some combination of both. I know some people like to bash on ICoach, but I believe he was seriously lacking in adequate personnel in a number of areas. He may have been a bad coach, but no coach can win with bad players.

I thought when you have a great recruiter, getting good players is not an issue?

[Zipgrad01]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

When other MAC teams were beating Akron senseless the past two years, it looked to me like it was a coaching issue as well as a talent issue.

I think you're right. It was some combination of both. I know some people like to bash on ICoach, but I believe he was seriously lacking in adequate personnel in a number of areas. He may have been a bad coach, but no coach can win with bad players.

I thought when you have a great recruiter, getting good players is not an issue?

He only really had one class. The first class was only partially his. He wasn't a good coach, but I don't think his first class is that bad considering the state of the program.

[hiroad1]

I am not delusional, and clearly realize that we are not stacked with top talent. Still, I wonder if we don't have some capable guys that can perform better under different leadership.

Now, don't get me wrong, I saw plenty of mistakes by our players, but I question two things:

1. Were the coaches failing to get the players into a position where they had a realistic chance to succeed?

2. Might the players have consciously or unconsciously not been pushing themselves to their max as the losing continued and they began to lose faith in the coach?

Our roster may not have the talent to win the MAC next year, but I am hoping the new coach is able to get more out of these guys than what we have seen in the past two seasons.

Confidence and a positive environment can really change performance. I believe a new coach can instill both and get the kids to buy in. Then it is a matter of keeping the kids bought in by continuing to display coaching leadership - win or lose. Most young kids will fight pretty hard for someone they believe in.

Even losing, this team could be a lot more fun to watch if they are cohesive, determined and maintain the will to fight. I hope the new coach can at least accomplish that in the first year.

BTW... I should not be calling the guys kids. I recognize they are men.

[Dave in Green]

Zips football problems of the last two seasons were neither entirely the fault of the players nor the coaching staff. I don't doubt that the right coaching staff could get more out of the current players. But it will take a higher level of ability from both the new coaching staff and future recruits to turn the Zips into consistent MAC championship contenders.

[Doug Snyder]

A report from EA of the OD.

This summarizes a lot of what has already been cited here regarding PW's turnaround at Wayne State. It does mention a little about his ability to recruit in NE Ohio.

Interesting quote in there....

"When teams in your own league are beating you by 40, 50 and 60 points, it's a talent issue, pure and simple,"

When other MAC teams were beating Akron senseless the past two years, it looked to me like it was a coaching issue as well as a talent issue.

I think you're right. It was some combination of both. I know some people like to bash on ICoach, but I believe he was seriously lacking in adequate personnel in a number of areas. He may have been a bad coach, but no coach can win with bad players.

I thought when you have a great recruiter, getting good players is not an issue?

He only really had one class. The first class was only partially his. He wasn't a good coach, but I don't think his first class is that bad considering the state of the program.

+1 I think he probably is a good coach...just not a good HC. He appears like a bright guy and I was hoping he would figure it out. Our best and most cost effective option would have been for Ianello to figure it out and be successful. He wasn't...time to more on. Time will tell the quality level of the recruits he brought in. I think there is more talent than people here think. For sure...next year will be difficult. Hopefully we can be competitive and win 3 games.

[RACER]

i think our rb postion is in good hand.we have a great fb,and a pretty good tb.i think our wr our good enough to win games in the mac.qb is a big question mark, but at least the new coach has two guys that have playing experience.i am not saying either of them our great qb,but it's hard to tell with our ol.the line needs to be completely rebuilt.the new coach needs to find some quality OL that can start within a year or two.our entire defense is a mess.i hate to say it but next year could really be ugly on the defense side of the ball.i just don't see more than three guys who our legit d-1 players on defense.hopefully the new coach can come in and get the guys we have to play better defense,but good luck.

[ZipRoo]

RE: "I think he probably is a good coach...just not a good HC. He appears like a bright guy...

Doug, it's much too early on a Friday to be this tipsy. Ianello...a "good" coach? "Appears like a bright guy?"

Is this new material for your comedy routine, or are you in the first stages of dementia?

[Dave in Green]

I have to say that I put a lot of weight on the prediction below in thinking that Winters was likely to get an offer and likely to accept.

If the stories coming out today are true that he was offered and didn't accept, then I'd be interested in knowing where ITZ thinks things went wrong.

If there's still an active relationship, maybe ITZ will have a chance someday to get an honest answer from Winters.

If today's story is true, it's highly unlikely that Winters would ever be considered by UA again.

I still have an active relationship with Coach Winters, and I can say this with certainty: Coach Winters absolutely positively 100 percent wants this job. After Owens was fired in '03 he campaigned HARD for it, interviewed, but Mike Thomas was set on going outside the program (which set the program back in my opinion, as we would've had MAC titles in '04 and '05 with Winters at the helm, and would've avoided the recruiting diasters of a man who didn't know how to recruit for this level, but that's a topic for another day). He went hard after it again in '09 when Ianello was hired. Some of you may think that maybe after two rejections he became bitter and doesn't want the job anymore, but that's just not the case. He understood that though he had started from scratch with one of the worst programs in America, he was still coming off a 6-5 record at a D2 school and hadn't accomplished what he wanted to accomplish at WSU. He's obviously in a much better position this year to be a much more attractive candidate. Coach Winters loves Akron, wants this program to be elite, and, even with the state of the program now, there is no job in the country he would rather have. There is no other candidate in this process that we could say that about. This guy bleeds Blue and Gold, and it came across every single day in practice when he was my OC.

Others have adequately explained his recent denial that he's coming here.. He wants the job, but he also wants a National Championship, and he has to kill any speculation that distracts his team from that goal until it is achieved. TW is waiting on him to finish out his season, and he will then be our next head football coach. Take it to the bank.