Wayne State vs. Winston-Salem live on ESPN3

[Lee Adams]

I'm not unimpressed with D-II football as much as I am unimpressed with the idea of catapulting a guy up two levels to coach at my alma mater. Especially a guy that I am personally unimpresed with, am unimpressed with his coaching record, and unimpressed with what he and his fellow leaders did to this football program the last time around.

For me, that's not the guy you go out on a limb for and give him a two-level leap. And up to this point, it doesn't appear that any of the other 119 D-1A programs have been willing to do it either.

You're unimpressed with the #6 offense in the country. OK

You point to one school in D2 and act like that's the accurate represenation of D2 football. Wayne State plays in the GLIAC, which includes teams like Grand Valley State, which average more people per game than we do (in people actually in the seats, not the tickets sold to sponsers trying to keep our D1 status afloat). There are a lot of great coaches that have come out of the GLIAC, including Brian Kelly, who worked a miracle at CMU and Cinci. There are many more, do some research and get back to me. I don't know who in the heck you think we're going to get to come here who is more qualified than Paul Winters, but your constant bashing and ignorance is getting old.

[Zipgrad01]

Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.

You can't translate how guys will work out at different levels. Lee Owens did nothing here and he is running a very successful program at the D2 level. While Winters has done a great job turning around Wayne State, I have no idea how he will translate into a D1 coaching job.

[g-mann17]

Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.

You can't translate how guys will work out at different levels. Lee Owens did nothing here and he is running a very successful program at the D2 level. While Winters has done a great job turning around Wayne State, I have no idea how he will translate into a D1 coaching job.

Nothing is guaranteed ever. But skip is discounting success because the level despite others doing less with more and then finding success at the FBS level.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Winters' group posted some very respectable offensive numbers on many D1, BCS teams during his time under Owens. It was always the defense that prevented the Zips from pulling off the big upsets. That, and my one big gripe about Winters/Owens offenses -- they often disappeared in the last 2 minutes of tight games.

I have no concern with Winters' ability to compete with D1 programs. Especially the MAC schools. At Wayne State, he appears to have become a better coach. He has built a solid defense. He's winning tight games.

Hopefully within the next several weeks we'll learn if he's got the job.

[skip-zip]

Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.

If you are saying that this is true, then you must know who they are.

Would you kindly share the schools with us?

[g-mann17]

Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.

If you are saying that this is true, then you must know who they are.

Would you kindly share the schools with us?

Toledo, Akron, Arkansas St., and he was a long shot for some of the bigger schools (probably because of equal opportunity), plus there are FCS schools that have given him a look. His name is not mentioned as much because he's so rooted in the Akron job.

[skip-zip]

Skip, let me get this straight. Brian Kelly takes a very decent Geand Valley St wins national championships goes to CMU and wins. Winters has taken Lake Erie (that is what Wayne was equivalent to when he got there) and has them playing in the national championship. Winters knows how to get it done, stop with this "so what it's D2" BS. Chip Kelly went from FCS to BCS, so did Tressel. Those schools and their supporters had the same problems. Winters is getting interest from 4 or 5 schools at our level, get over yourself.

If you are saying that this is true, then you must know who they are.

Would you kindly share the schools with us?

Toledo, Akron, Arkansas St., and he was a long shot for some of the bigger schools (probably because of equal opportunity), plus there are FCS schools that have given him a look. His name is not mentioned as much because he's so rooted in the Akron job.

Where did you hear anything about Arkansas State or Toledo, or any "bigger schools"? Other than the fan on the Toledo fan website who said he would like to see his school look at Winters? And a number of candidates have been mentioned in connection with the Arkasnsas State job, and he is not one of them.

Seriously. Don't make such a bold claim just to try to win an argument. I've said all along (and I will stick to my word) that I would possibly think differently about Winters as a candidate if other D-1A programs were competing with us to lure him as a head coach. And an article that someone recently posted here said that he has been contacted for a few assistant jobs, but has stayed at Wayve because he wanted to remain a head coach. If that's changed, please tell me where.

Do you not expect to be called out on here when you tell someone they are wrong, and to "get over themselves" when you state something as fact, and cannot substatiate your claim ?

[g-mann17]

Where did you hear anything about Arkansas State or Toledo, or any "bigger schools"? Other than the fan on the Toledo fan website who said he would like to see his school look at Winters? And a number of candidates have been mentioned in connection with the Arkasnsas State job, and he is not one of them.

Seriously. Don't make such a bold claim just to try to win an argument. I've said all along (and I will stick to my word) that I would possibly think differently about Winters as a candidate if other D-1A programs were competing with us to lure him as a head coach. And an article that someone recently posted here said that he has been contacted for a few assistant jobs, but has stayed at Wayve because he wanted to remain a head coach. If that's changed, please tell me where.

Do you not expect to be called out on here when you tell someone they are wrong, and to "get over themselves" when you state something as fact, and cannot substatiate your claim ?

Skip, so you're calling me out? LOL I guess because your belief that D-II is too low for a coach to be "significant" was blown out of the water by me and everyone else.

I don't need to substantiate anything because all coaching changes are "rumors" until they are official. You look on certain boards and you talk to certain people offline and offrecord and you can find out who has asked Wayne St for permission to talk to him this year.

I'm tired of certain elements making up reasons why Winters is somehow not qualified or "below" us. None of you want to face what reality is. Reality is that their our 30-40 coaches in levels below FBS and FCS that are great coaches, outstanding coaches that would succeed at our level with no problem at all, but they are overlooked. The real question is why are they overlooked. Is it because they only have to recruit 38 people instead of 85? Is it because they have to find a way to win with budgets that are less than what our soccer team operates on? Or is because this group of coaches shares something in common with Mr. Winters that seems to be a near automatic disqualifier for FBS football? You guys figure it out.

[skip-zip]

Where did you hear anything about Arkansas State or Toledo, or any "bigger schools"? Other than the fan on the Toledo fan website who said he would like to see his school look at Winters? And a number of candidates have been mentioned in connection with the Arkasnsas State job, and he is not one of them.

Seriously. Don't make such a bold claim just to try to win an argument. I've said all along (and I will stick to my word) that I would possibly think differently about Winters as a candidate if other D-1A programs were competing with us to lure him as a head coach. And an article that someone recently posted here said that he has been contacted for a few assistant jobs, but has stayed at Wayve because he wanted to remain a head coach. If that's changed, please tell me where.

Do you not expect to be called out on here when you tell someone they are wrong, and to "get over themselves" when you state something as fact, and cannot substatiate your claim ?

Skip, so you're calling me out? LOL I guess because your belief that D-II is too low for a coach to be "significant" was blown out of the water by me and everyone else.

I don't need to substantiate anything because all coaching changes are "rumors" until they are official. You look on certain boards and you talk to certain people offline and offrecord and you can find out who has asked Wayne St for permission to talk to him this year.

I'm tired of certain elements making up reasons why Winters is somehow not qualified or "below" us. None of you want to face what reality is. Reality is that their our 30-40 coaches in levels below FBS and FCS that are great coaches, outstanding coaches that would succeed at our level with no problem at all, but they are overlooked. The real question is why are they overlooked. Is it because they only have to recruit 38 people instead of 85? Is it because they have to find a way to win with budgets that are less than what our soccer team operates on? Or is because this group of coaches shares something in common with Mr. Winters that seems to be a near automatic disqualifier for FBS football? You guys figure it out.

g-mann. Let me end this right here, since you keep getting off track challenging my beliefs about D-II football over and over again.

You state that 4 or 5 schools have shown interest in Winters as a fact. Including Arkansas State, Toledo, and some "bigger schools". Where did you see this or hear this?

I must be out of the loop since I don't have your "Off Record" and "Offline" sources. Even if it is indeed just a "rumor". It's better than what I see being mentioned anywhere right now, which is nothing.