PD Reports that Winters is staying at Wayne State

[ZipRoo]

Suppose you're also a fan of Bernie Madoff and the Fair Finance swindlers.

Guess you missed the point, or are just stubbornly ignoring it. Luis is paid handsomely. He wants for nothing. And he does very little, save schmooze donors. When he makes a blunder as large as hiring Tom W. and rubber-stamping Ianello, costing his employer millions upon millions of dollars....then it is not out of line to say, we'll forego that exhorbitant "bonus" check this year, sir. What, do we just blindly reward incompetence now?

[bobbyake]

Suppose you're also a fan of Bernie Madoff and the Fair Finance swindlers.

Guess you missed the point, or are just stubbornly ignoring it. Luis is paid handsomely. He wants for nothing. And he does very little, save schmooze donors. When he makes a blunder as large as hiring Tom W. and rubber-stamping Ianello, costing his employer millions upon millions of dollars....then it is not out of line to say, we'll forego that exhorbitant "bonus" check this year, sir. What, do we just blindly reward incompetence now?

arguing with you is a waste of my time. No matter what you and your Can't State(HippieU)/Occupy Wall Street friends believe, things aren't going to change. Like I said before, things are better now than ever for anyone that applies their-self. Imagine if you lived during the Roman days and questioned your boss's pay

[hiroad1]

It's kind of odd that this has become a debate over Dr. Proenza, but, in the end, he is ultimately responsible for everything at the university. Athletics are one part of that.

As a lifelong resident of Akron, and a bit of a history buff, I believe Dr. P may go down as one of the most influential people in the history of Akron. Perhaps in the top one hundred of people who shaped the city.

What UA has evolved to under his leadership is a major factor in framing what greater Akron is for the twenty-first century.

For me, taking Dr. Proenza's body of work as whole is a positive that far outweighs any slips with the athletic department. Frankly, that he got the stadium on a significantly upgraded campus speaks pretty loudly to his commitment to athletics anyway.

That does not mean I would expect anythng less than his laser focus on this coaching search. But I can't believe anybody in Akron wants to get it right more than he does.

[Z-P]

Wha'd I tell ya?

Good for Paul. He's got maybe one good shot left (at his age). Why burn it over here when another more attractive offer could come forward..........

How'd we spin down into this mess...........

You can't just keep hiring and firing and expect to improve. "See Cleveland Browns" sic It's more often a recipe for where we now see ourselves IMHO..........

[johnnyzip84]

Wha'd I tell ya?

Good for Paul. He's got maybe one good shot left (at his age). Why burn it over here when another more attractive offer could come forward..........

How'd we spin down into this mess...........

You can't just keep hiring and firing and expect to improve. "See Cleveland Browns" sic It's more often a recipe for where we now see ourselves IMHO..........

This Detroit New columnist agrees with you.

[Z.I.P.]

Wayne State may not be the backwater everyone assumes it to be. This story shows the university affiliations of the owners of all 122 of the big four professional sports teams. Wayne State is tied with Yale, Penn, Dartmouth and NYU for sixth place. There may be a lot deeper pockets and support there than you think. Dan Gilbert of the Cavaliers, Lily Tomlin, Casey Kasem and Hugh Downs are all Wayne State grads. Might add a little to the explanation of why he decided to stay.

Enrollment of +32,000 and an endowment of +$223 million is nothing to sneeze at. The football program has been in the toilet historically, but Wayne St has always had pretty decent academics. I think this is the result of a conscious decision to not put too much emphasis on sports, as evidenced by their leaving the MAC shortly after being one of its charter members.

It could have very easily happened that Wayne State and Akron U could have changed positions -- and I'm not saying that would be a positive or negative occurence. If Dr William Muse had not made the decision that Akron should be a larger player on the intercollegiate athletics front, we would likely still be looking at YSU, Northern Michigan and Wayne State as our equals (again, without any value statement) -- and in football, we basically ARE their equals today. I've known a number of Wayne State alumni myself, and they are all well educated and smart people, every bit as glamorous and marketable as a grad of Akron or K ent State.

And, to my friend Bobbyake (who I believe I spent good times with in Santa Barbara a year ago), when I was a student at the U of A, everyone looked at K ent as the yuppy, more conservative of our two brother institutions (notwithstanding the two sociology departments). The University of Akron has a history as deep in the history of America's working class as any university in America. We should all be as proud of that as we can be. It's what makes our university what it is -- part of our nation's story of working people struggling to improve themselves by fighting for opportunities (as OWS is doing today) and succeeding.

Merry Christmas to all.

[OZoner]

Not sure I can root for a guy who turned us down. Why don't you root for Can't to while you are at it.

False equivalency. Wayne State doesn't compete with Akron in any way.

[skip-zip]

I'm mindboggled by some of the comparisons. Wayne State was an unranked D-II team this year who made a cinderella-like playoff run. I wouldn't emphasize the "unranked D-II" so much, except that we now have people who seem to be taking this stretch of games, and allowing themselves to believe that this somehow now suddenly elevates them to the caliber of the lower tier of D-1A.

[Zipgrad01]

Not sure I can root for a guy who turned us down. Why don't you root for Can't to while you are at it.

False equivalency. Wayne State doesn't compete with Akron in any way.

Has your head been in the sand for the last 24 hours? We just competed for a head coach and they won.

[OZoner]

Not sure I can root for a guy who turned us down. Why don't you root for Can't to while you are at it.

False equivalency. Wayne State doesn't compete with Akron in any way.

Has your head been in the sand for the last 24 hours? We just competed for a head coach and they won.

Not really what I meant, but I asked for it with the "any way" comment. But Akron and Wayne don't play each other, don't recruit against each other, don't even play on the same level. This very well may be the last time the two schools encounter one another.

[Captain Kangaroo]

This very well may be the last time the two schools encounter one another.

Yeah. I don't foresee interviewing Winters a 4th time.

[Valpo Zip]

CBS president Les Moonves made a salary this year of $3.5 million. Then he was lavished with a $27.5 million bonus, $23-million in stock option awards, pension money, and $2.5-million reimbursement for the taxes he had to pay.

Seriously, you think there's nothing wrong with CEO compensation? Then we live in two different worlds, and yours is bankrupting America, Ada.

Zip roo, we live in the same world. These numbers seem outrageous to me. However, it is not my money and I have to believe that the CBS board members are doing what's in the best interest of their company. I don't know what Les Moonves does exactly or how much profit he generated so I'll let those who know make those decisions.

[Dr Z]

Been out of contact for a week. Glad to read PW got a raise. Well played.

I hope he can now get that elusive Div II title he desires so much.

[fknbuflobo]

Wayne State may not be the backwater everyone assumes it to be. This story shows the university affiliations of the owners of all 122 of the big four professional sports teams. Wayne State is tied with Yale, Penn, Dartmouth and NYU for sixth place. There may be a lot deeper pockets and support there than you think. Dan Gilbert of the Cavaliers, Lily Tomlin, Casey Kasem and Hugh Downs are all Wayne State grads. Might add a little to the explanation of why he decided to stay.

Enrollment of +32,000 and an endowment of +$223 million is nothing to sneeze at. The football program has been in the toilet historically, but Wayne St has always had pretty decent academics. I think this is the result of a conscious decision to not put too much emphasis on sports, as evidenced by their leaving the MAC shortly after being one of its charter members.

It could have very easily happened that Wayne State and Akron U could have changed positions -- and I'm not saying that would be a positive or negative occurence. If Dr William Muse had not made the decision that Akron should be a larger player on the intercollegiate athletics front, we would likely still be looking at YSU, Northern Michigan and Wayne State as our equals (again, without any value statement) -- and in football, we basically ARE their equals today. I've known a number of Wayne State alumni myself, and they are all well educated and smart people, every bit as glamorous and marketable as a grad of Akron or K ent State.

And, to my friend Bobbyake (who I believe I spent good times with in Santa Barbara a year ago), when I was a student at the U of A, everyone looked at K ent as the yuppy, more conservative of our two brother institutions (notwithstanding the two sociology departments). The University of Akron has a history as deep in the history of America's working class as any university in America. We should all be as proud of that as we can be. It's what makes our university what it is -- part of our nation's story of working people struggling to improve themselves by fighting for opportunities (as OWS is doing today) and succeeding. Merry Christmas to all.

+99

Totally agree, Z.I.P.