ZipperRoo44 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 If what was written in another thread is true and only TW went to meet with PW in Detroit then there is only one person and one person alone to blame for this search going on for another stretch of misery. Dr Proenza. Winter's was already on record in the Detroit newspaper as to having serious issues with Akron and the 2009 search. This was an obvious sign that if PW was the guy that he was going to want to feel like he was really the guy this time. If the guy you want is an alum, like PW, you take all of the above and the head of the Alumni Association. Instead of doing this we continue the keystone cops routine, dragging out the nation's longest coaching search and getting dissed nationwide by an Akron Alum/D2 coach and a MAC coordinator who is a native of NE Ohio. I would love to know who is on this committee, who is the chairman of the committee, and who from the University Administration is actually making sure that TW is doing the job that he was hired to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Or you never intended to hire Winters anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Or you never intended to hire Winters anyway. This is my thought. That TW never really wanted PW and would make a half ass presentation, so that he could say that he did make the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 You make some good points, but how is this connected to the Towson Tigers? Perhaps this "slip" is a clue in itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Or you never intended to hire Winters anyway. This is my thought. That TW never really wanted PW and would make a half ass presentation, so that he could say that he did make the effort. But if this were the case, wouldn't TW have had his #1 guy ready to go as soon as PW "turned down" the low-ball offer? And how does this have anything to do with Towson football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 You may be on to something there, which means that TW is really running this show with no one watching his moves or caring what damage is done. Why wait until after the D2 title game to make this show if you do not have someone on the hook from the $25,000 search firm? What is the involvement of the firm if they cannot bring real candidates to the table? If no one is named by the end of the day on Friday it could be after the new year until a new coach is named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What does Towson Football have to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What does Towson Football have to do with anything? Their coach has been mentioned in several threads as being someone we should be looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What seems like an oversight might have been calculated. Maybe Dr. P knew that if Winters was going to be able to work at Akron that he and TW would have to develop a relationship that would enable them to work together, and he felt a private meeting might best facilitate taht. Maybe he further felt that it would be strategically bad precedent to ahve Paul feeling that the authority of the AD was undermined by having the president of the university appear to take over. Or, maybe they didn't think of any of that and just didn't give it enough thought. I doubt we'll ever know. Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 More than one representative of UA went to Detroit. Any speculation that TW went solo is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 More than one representative of UA went to Detroit. Any speculation that TW went solo is incorrect. Thanks for clearing that up ZW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 More than one representative of UA went to Detroit. Any speculation that TW went solo is incorrect. I hear that is true. In fact, I hear TW didn't go at all? I hear only two members of the 12-person search committee met with Winters. No Proenza or TW. Just scuttlebutt...but it certainly adds up. 12-person search committee? Boy does that speak volumes for UA's faith in our AD's capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. I feel UA is the one with the chip on it's shoulder. If we really wanted to earn Winters favor, we would have sent Proenza. We would have shown him we were dead serious. Especially after dissing the guy twice before. But we didn't. The Wayne State AD and President showed the guy some love instead. And we still have no football coach. And it is December 22nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. I feel UA is the one with the chip on it's shoulder. If we really wanted to earn Winters favor, we would have sent Proenza. We would have shown him we were dead serious. Especially after dissing the guy twice before. But we didn't. The Wayne State AD and President showed the guy some love instead. And we still have no football coach. And it is December 22nd. For a guy who did not want Winters...I would think you would be happy. I think it would have been inappropriate to have Proenza travel to Detroit on the first meeting. The first meeting should have been as soon as possible after Winters season ended to guage his interest. Since TW and at least one other search member made the trip...it should have signaled to Paul that we were serious. I was told that a contract was definitely not offered...just parameters of a deal. Who knows who to believe. One thing for certain...the negative honks on this site will hammer whoever is available. It appears TW nd Dr. P handled this correctly. Hopefully Paul will send out a clarification because all this speculation is not good for him or the UofA. He did not take any shots at anyone in his letter to the football alumni...but so many read into what was not said. He did not say that he was not running for President either...so maybe we will have a new candidate soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. I feel UA is the one with the chip on it's shoulder. If we really wanted to earn Winters favor, we would have sent Proenza. We would have shown him we were dead serious. Especially after dissing the guy twice before. But we didn't. The Wayne State AD and President showed the guy some love instead. And we still have no football coach. And it is December 22nd. For a guy who did not want Winters...I would think you would be happy. Don't lie about me on this board. I never said I did not want Winters. In fact I said he was an excellent candidate. Here. I have no time to deal with liars. The next time you reply to one of my posts, any post, you will be banned permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. I feel UA is the one with the chip on it's shoulder. If we really wanted to earn Winters favor, we would have sent Proenza. We would have shown him we were dead serious. Especially after dissing the guy twice before. But we didn't. The Wayne State AD and President showed the guy some love instead. And we still have no football coach. And it is December 22nd. For a guy who did not want Winters...I would think you would be happy. Don't lie about me on this board. I never said I did not want Winters. In fact I said he was an excellent candidate. Here. I have no time to deal with liars. The next time you reply to one of my posts, any post, you will be banned permanently. Have at it...ban me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Have at it...ban me. Well, Gooo-ooo-ooo-lly Andy, we sure are gettin' thin-skinned arond here diss-cussin' Akron Football in the middle of the night! So, someone tell me again...How exactly did we kill Towson football? Is TW contagious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Nice! Doug annoys me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still, it is beginning to appear to me that Paul Winters, perhaps justifiably, may have come into this with a chip on his shoulder too. Maybe there was just too much negativity to overcome. If we really wanted to earn Winters favor, we would have sent Proenza. We would have shown him we were dead serious. Especially after dissing the guy twice before. 1 - Expecting Proenza to go on a 6 hour round trip drive to only meet someone who MAY be the coach is absolutely preposterous. It will never happen, not even if Nick Saban was considering the job. It never happened before and should not happen in the future. 2 - When you have a job opening, you have multiple applicants, you can only select one. That does NOT mean you're dissing the others. The guy got a scholarship here, had a job here for 10 years, and did not get a job that he was not qualified for. No dissing involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 CK, I hope you don't permanently ban Doug Snyder. I appreciate his dialogue here as he really makes ZNO a more interesting place. If you feel that you have to do something, maybe a temporary ban, ala GoZips? I just think everyone's on edge & aggravated right now over this prolonged coaching search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 1 - Expecting Proenza to go on a 6 hour round trip drive to only meet someone who MAY be the coach is absolutely preposterous. It will never happen, not even if Nick Saban was considering the job. It never happened before and should not happen in the future. I guess it is expecting too much for the guy to make a 6 hour round trip to secure a coach who was his #1 choice, to save a 70 million dollar white elephant. Maybe he should have taken the 25 minute flight instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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