TJX Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 No you cant single out Chauncey, this is a TEAM game. The TEAM lost the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Winnable game with the group of Zips on the court today. OSU is not a very good team and we were just as talented as they were. Very poor situation awareness late in OT and the Zips basically run the clock out on themselves. I know it's early, but BOTH of these teams did some really stupid things today. OSU has some young players and that is to be expected. Some of our veterans were not very smart today. If the standard is to take the program to another level, that has to change. We need to be smarter later in the game. The telecast was very good. I like listening to Dino Gaudio. He goes beyond the cliches we hear from color guys and explains details of the game to the audience. His critique of Zeke was spot on and I hope if Zeke hears it he takes it to heart. It's all the little things added up that make up an NBA player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 8. You can't miss that many foul shots and expect to win. How crucial does that Zeke free throw miss look now on that "And one" free throw attempt after that great up and under post move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Listen, if this was a one time thing, I wouldn't be singling out just Chauncey, but there was numerous games last year and then today, that he made not so smart decisions down the stretch in situations that we were winning and trying to close out games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It would hve been the game. But not just him...everyone missed foul shots. Not good. Either lack of conditioning or lack of concentration. Either way, it needs to be fixed sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The Zips continued shooting 3-point shots because they were hitting them at a higher percentage than their 2-point shots -- 8 of 26 3-pointers vs. 13 of 44 2-pointers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Also, not saying that Chauncey doesn't deserve to play. I just think you have to know what players can handle pressure situations and certain scenarios better than others. I just feel Gilliam isn't one of those players right now... Today definitely showed how we miss Diggs, Harney, and Treadwell. People say they have been bragging about Akron basketball since September. YOU SHOULD. We had those 3 players, we'd be 3-0 right now and looking Tennessee and most likely NC State right in the eye... It's a small step backwards now, but just win the MAC, and the team will be very polished by March Madness...Look for a VCU/George Mason type run if this team gets polished by March like they should... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjackson123 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Just to clarify my previous post, we're up 65-61 with a little over a minute left. Abreu passes it to Chauncey wide open in the corner. He had no one on him within several feet. He should of drove baseline and tried to draw a foul. Instead, he shoots a three, which isn't his strength compared to slashing, and OK State went on fast break and made a three. Zeke then fouls out, and then next defensive possession, Chauncey fouls the shooter who makes 3 free throws...all within 30 SECONDS... This sequence was beyond stupid, no words... I wouldn't want McNeese in his prime taking that 3 much less Chauncey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The Zips continued shooting 3-point shots because they were hitting them at a higher percentage than their 2-point shots -- 8 of 26 3-pointers vs. 13 of 44 2-pointers. WOW!!!! That's an amazing stat. Depressing on some levels as well. Today was such a winnable game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Tree and Harney are the Zips' two best inside scorers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The Zips continued shooting 3-point shots because they were hitting them at a higher percentage than their 2-point shots -- 8 of 26 3-pointers vs. 13 of 44 2-pointers. I respect your opinion on this site, DIG, but shooting 30% from 3 is no reason to keep chucking. Everybody knows that the closer you get to the basket, the more shot % goes up. For what its worth, the Zips ended up shooting 30.7% from 3s and 29.5% from 2. Hardly a disparity that constitutes chucking 3s rather than working the ball in the paint. Also, not saying that Chauncey doesn't deserve to play. I just think you have to know what players can handle pressure situations and certain scenarios better than others. I just feel Gilliam isn't one of those players right now... Today definitely showed how we miss Diggs, Harney, and Treadwell. People say they have been bragging about Akron basketball since September. YOU SHOULD. We had those 3 players, we'd be 3-0 right now and looking Tennessee and most likely NC State right in the eye... It's a small step backwards now, but just win the MAC, and the team will be very polished by March Madness...Look for a VCU/George Mason type run if this team gets polished by March like they should... Talking about Diggs is pointless really. He wont be back this season, so there is no reason to keep saying "if". We have to move on a some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 This sequence was beyond stupid, no words... I wouldn't want McNeese in his prime taking that 3 much less Chauncey Exactly. Drive to the hole & at the very least you'll likely draw a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Winnable game with the group of Zips on the court today. OSU is not a very good team and we were just as talented as they were.I thought the same thing. Very poor situation awareness late in OT and the Zips basically run the clock out on themselves.Especially coming out of time outs with the ball. I would like to know the percentage of how many times we come away with no points out of TOs. The telecast was very good. I like listening to Dino Gaudio. He goes beyond the cliches we hear from color guys and explains details of the game to the audience. His critique of Zeke was spot on and I hope if Zeke hears it he takes it to heart. It's all the little things added up that make up an NBA player.I enjoyed him too. I was listening to French and watching it early. French was so confused it's frustrating to the listener, so I turned the radio off. Glad I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Talking about Diggs is pointless really. He wont be back this season, so there is no reason to keep saying "if". We have to move on a some point. I have moved on. All I was doing was replying to someone saying that he was bragging Akron basketball to co-workers in September, and probably before that as well. Which on paper then, we were looking good for a major season... That's all i meant by if we had all three... It will be a successful season for Akron basketball in general. Women's basketball off to a great start at 2-0, and wouldn't be surprised if both Akron teams have #1 seeds going into MAC tourney... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Especially coming out of time outs with the ball. I would like to know the percentage of how many times we come away with no points out of TOs. Last week, I said it seems as if the program is a little stale. A lot of things could explain this. One major one is videotape. If we are always doing the same thing all the time, teams know what we are going to do because they see it on tape. Gaudio was talking about a website coaches use to watch video instead of trading film. Since they see multiple games from the past, they can better guess at what we are going to do. Since they know what we are going to do, they can put a strategy around defending what we do. After last year it would have been a good time to rotate out some assistants to freshen up the program a little. New ideas are good. What was McFadden doing giggling about something with a low level assistant on the perimeter of a timeout huddle late in the game? Giggle after the game, not during the game. From now on, no giggling in overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I respect your opinion on this site, DIG, but shooting 30% from 3 is no reason to keep chucking. Everybody knows that the closer you get to the basket, the more shot % goes up. For what its worth, the Zips ended up shooting 30.7% from 3s and 29.5% from 2. Hardly a disparity that constitutes chucking 3s rather than working the ball in the paint. ..... Theory is one thing and reality another. The Zips were hitting 2-pointers and 3-pointers at roughly the same percentage throughout the game. There's no reason to stop shooting 3-pointers when you have the same chance to make them and they're worth an extra point. In any case, only 37% of the Zips' field goal attempts today were 3-pointers, which is pretty close to average for all college teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumberjack Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I am VERY eager to read LumberJack's comments about this game. What do you want from me? Chauncey didn't look good today and probably played the the worst game I've ever seen. Two very bad plays down the stretch and probably cost UA the game. Funny thing no one will remember the big plays down the stretch before overtime or the first 4 minutes of OT or his knee injury affecting his shot for the last 30 days Nor will anyone remember that Tree and Nick didn't play, Zeke fouled out or Alex big missed layup down the stretch. So for the rest of UA's history and Chauncey's life will forever be remembered of these two major turnovers made to lose this game. Nor will you be around when he call crying frantically wishing that he could just get away. While consoling I have to tell him to endure and press forward remembering this is a long season. Chauncey plays to win and I know he is beating himself up inside and know that people like you hate him and me for being his biggest fan. I really feel for him...You feel better now? I have to love him through this while you add insult to injury...KD coached one of the best games in history and I take total blame for Chauncey being born and have to encounter days like this. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 What do you want from me? Chauncey didn't look good today and probably played the the worst game I've ever seen. Two very bad plays down the stretch and probably cost UA the game. Funny thing no one will remember the big plays down the stretch before overtime or the first 4 minutes of OT or his knee injury affecting his shot for the last 30 days Nor will anyone remember that Tree and Nick didn't play, Zeke fouled out or Alex big missed layup down the stretch. So for the rest of UA's history and Chauncey's life will forever be remembered of these two major turnovers made to lose this game. Nor will you be around when he call and crying wishing that he could just get away and I have to tell him to endure and press forward and remember this is a long season. Chauncey plays to win and I know he is beating himself up inside and knows that people like you hate him right now. I really feel for him...You feel better know? I have to love him trough this while you add insult to injury...KD coached one of the best games in history and I take total blame for Chauncey being born and have to encounter days like this. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!! Dont let those guys get to you man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Last week, I said it seems as if the program is a little stale. A lot of things could explain this. One major one is videotape. If we are always doing the same thing all the time, teams know what we are going to do because they see it on tape. Gaudio was talking about a website coaches use to watch video instead of trading film. Since they see multiple games from the past, they can better guess at what we are going to do. Since they know what we are going to do, they can put a strategy around defending what we do. After last year it would have been a good time to rotate out some assistants to freshen up the program a little. New ideas are good. What was McFadden doing giggling about something with a low level assistant on the perimeter of a timeout huddle late in the game? Giggle after the game, not during the game. From now on, no giggling in overtime. Our play is "someone hoist a 3 at the buzzer." Wonder if OSU guessed it would be Z hoisting our 3 at the buzzer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Theory is one thing and reality another. The Zips were hitting 2-pointers and 3-pointers at roughly the same percentage throughout the game. There's no reason to stop shooting 3-pointers when you have the same chance to make them and they're worth an extra point. In any case, only 37% of the Zips' field goal attempts today were 3-pointers, which is pretty close to average for all college teams. If there are enough data points to make measurements statistically relevant, this is true. One game is not enough data points to do that. I'm sure that thousands of data points would reveal that two point shots are more likely to go in that three point shots. I'm also pretty confident that who takes the shot from where on the floor is critical in looking at who should be shooting. For example, a center taking a three point shot would not have as good of odds as going in as a shooting guard. Same goes for a guard trying to post up a center. The odds of individual players making certain shots is more important than what the team average. After all, only one player at a time can shoot and it only matters what he can do at that point, not the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Our play is "someone hoist a 3 at the buzzer." Wonder if OSU guessed it would be Z hoisting our 3 at the buzzer? Probably not, but that's the whole idea. Take away what we want to do and replace it with what we don't want to do. That's what a good coach does. Two games in a row now the opposing coach has taken away what we want to do late and forced us to do something that isn't in our best interest. Maybe they both saw the same thing on tape.?.? If it happens a third time in a row, I think they call it a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Also, not saying that Chauncey doesn't deserve to play. I just think you have to know what players can handle pressure situations and certain scenarios better than others. I just feel Gilliam isn't one of those players right now... Today definitely showed how we miss Diggs, Harney, and Treadwell. People say they have been bragging about Akron basketball since September. YOU SHOULD. We had those 3 players, we'd be 3-0 right now and looking Tennessee and most likely NC State right in the eye... It's a small step backwards now, but just win the MAC, and the team will be very polished by March Madness...Look for a VCU/George Mason type run if this team gets polished by March like they should... Missing those guys is a moot point for the two losses thsu far. Stop making excuses and make some lay-ups and we win both easily, even without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Missing those guys is a moot point.... Stop making excuses and make some lay-ups and we win both easily, even without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 What do you want from me?I like to hear your input because you bring a unique perspective to ZN. Keep your head up, Go Zips! PS It's possible that is all Ada Zips was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumberjack Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I like to hear your input because you bring a unique perspective to ZN. Keep your head up, Go Zips! PS It's possible that is all Ada Zips was looking for. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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