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[GP1]

I love my Georgia Walmart rednecks.

I could just go hang out at Walmart and be entertained on a Saturday night.

The best southern crazies come from families that once had boatloads of money and are just well off now, but not rich. See family description above.

[LZIp]

Here is an interesting read I came across about SEC "dominance".

http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208...hompson-sec-bcs

Author was raised in Juneau, Alaska and went to Oregon..so he doesn't appear to be some B1G apologist.

[skip-zip]

I think this is what has happened to tosu fans. They worry so much about what other people think of their program and the Big Ten that they have trouble fully enjoying football. If they could just drop the self induced paranoia, they might be less of a bunch of a-holes. Maybe they would swear less often as well. Personally, I wish they would all just go away and worry about something else like the war on Christmas.

Excellent Post.

It's the typical mentality of OSWho fans. They want you to perceive them differently than reality, which is that they have only 1 title in the last 45 years. They want you to regard them as superior anyway, or they lash out. They have more excuses than Obama for everything that doesn't go their way. And the more the Big 10 diminishes in significance, the more they get angrily defensive. And it's fans of all ages, not just the young ones you'd expect. It's like they're all born with the "my daddy told me OSWho is the best....so they are the best" mentality, like mechanical talking robots.

[Buckzip]

Here is an interesting read I came across about SEC "dominance".

http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208...hompson-sec-bcs

Author was raised in Juneau, Alaska and went to Oregon..so he doesn't appear to be some B1G apologist.

That's been out for a while.

Their are different ways to look at what conference is the best.

If you look at only how many champs they have won, that is one way.

However, in Pro football, baseball, basketball, etc. if you have the winner of the Championship from the same conference 10 years in a row, does that mean that is the best conference or does it mean they have the best team that year.

Top to bottom, the secheats is not as great as some think.

1-secheats teams don't come north. They won't do home and home with northern schools.

2-Their OOC schedules suck every damn year. Their schedules are made in advance with weak teams.

3-They are the home team to the majority of Bowl Games.

Their is a myth that all of the teams are great and they always start ranked high. Then when they lose they don't drop much because they are losing to another team that is has an inflated ranking.

4-E$PiN is in bed with the secheats. They have billion $ contract coming up with them. They promote that conference non stop. Watching E$PiN talk about the secheats is like watching MSNBC talk about Obama. They non stop boost up the secheats teams and downgrade everyone else.

I get it if they want to pimp Bama. However, they just automatically pimp whomever is on top. Now Auburn is their favorite. Last year it was TAMU, next year it will be whomever is on top of the conference. If Auburn and Bama played 10 times, Bama would win 8. IMHO

Again, I still think the secheats is the best conference, it's just not as dominant as some feel it is.

I also think it is cyclical. Other conferences will start getting better.

Oklahoma State looks great yet they are ranked #9. Really? I guarandamntee you that if they were in the secheats, E$PiN would be pushing for them to be in the MNC game.

[Dave in Green]

A&M's 2011 class was #27 - that was before the announcement. They jumped to #15, then 11, and are now at the third overall class for class of 2014 recruits.

You're right. I went to all the trouble to look up the numbers and then misread them. Both A&M and Mizzou are trending up in the two recruiting classes following the SEC announcement. Mizzou remains pretty far behind the top SEC teams, so their record is even more impressive with lower-ranked recruiting classes.

[K92]

Here is an interesting read I came across about SEC "dominance".

http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208...hompson-sec-bcs

Author was raised in Juneau, Alaska and went to Oregon..so he doesn't appear to be some B1G apologist.

Nice article. Thanks for posting.

Skip, I have thought for years that the first College Football polls should come out around week 6. The preseason polls have proven to be highly inaccurate and seed every team based upon last year's results and conjecture. Very unfair. By the time Boise finally got a preseason ranking high enough to he in position to make a title run, they couldn't run the table.

As far as the whole SEC speed thing. . .that usually is part of the discussion when comparing defenses. While the SEC certainly displays a lot of team speed on defense, I think it is exaggerated when we watch because of the fantastic defensive line play. SEC D-linemen are head & shoulders ahead of any other league, IMO. Consistently controlling the line of scrimmage and being able to get good pressure on the qb without blitzing makes fast lbs and dbs look even faster, I think.

[Buckzip]

You're right. I went to all the trouble to look up the numbers and then misread them. Both A&M and Mizzou are trending up in the two recruiting classes following the SEC announcement. Mizzou remains pretty far behind the top SEC teams, so their record is even more impressive with lower-ranked recruiting classes.

Soooooo. Let me get this straight. Just because guys verbal after the announcement that means it was because of the announcement. Is that what you are saying?

Do you know of any that were going somewhere else and flipped as soon as they heard the announcement?

Recruiting is about relationships. They were going to Tamu regardless.

Maybe it's because Sumlin is a great coach and recruiter.

Naaah, it's because they joined the secheats.

[zippy5]

Nobody said that is the sole reason, and I'm sure Dave doesn't appreciate words being put in his mouth. Not gonna lie, I'm finding it a little hard to have a civil debate with someone that says secheats every time. The move definitely had an impact on recruiting. So did their recent success, Texas' downfall, if you will. There are a lot of factors.. Joining the SEC is definitely one, I'm sure Sumlin mentions that at some point in all of his "relationships."

[Buckzip]

Nobody said that is the sole reason, and I'm sure Dave doesn't appreciate words being put in his mouth. Not gonna lie, I'm finding it a little hard to have a civil debate with someone that says secheats every time. The move definitely had an impact on recruiting. So did their recent success, Texas' downfall, if you will. There are a lot of factors.. Joining the SEC is definitely one, I'm sure Sumlin mentions that at some point in all of his "relationships."

Sorry to offend, but I notice that you have no problem when others are talking crap and making up names.

Are you a hypocrite or just ok if it fits your agenda?

And yes, it was said earlier in this thread that tamu and Mizzo were succeeding in the secheats because they were in the conference and got better recruits. Even though those recruits would be freshman.

As for putting words on someone's mouth, my first sentence was a question asking if I understood it right.

[Buckzip]

Nobody said that is the sole reason, and I'm sure Dave doesn't appreciate words being put in his mouth. Not gonna lie, I'm finding it a little hard to have a civil debate with someone that says secheats every time. The move definitely had an impact on recruiting. So did their recent success, Texas' downfall, if you will. There are a lot of factors.. Joining the SEC is definitely one, I'm sure Sumlin mentions that at some point in all of his "relationships."

Sorry to offend, but I notice that you have no problem when others are talking crap and making up names.

Are you a hypocrite or just ok if it fits your agenda?

And yes, it was said earlier in this thread that tamu and Mizzo were succeeding in the secheats because they were in the conference and got better recruits. Even though those recruits would be freshman.

As for putting words on someone's mouth, my first sentence was a question asking if I understood it right.

[zippy5]

Sorry to offend, but I notice that you have no problem when others are talking crap and making up names.

Are you a hypocrite or just ok if it fits your agenda?

And yes, it was said earlier in this thread that tamu and Mizzo were succeeding in the secheats because they were in the conference and got better recruits. Even though those recruits would be freshman.

As for putting words on someone's mouth, my first sentence was a question asking if I understood it right.

I have no agenda sir. I was the one that said that, and never said it was THE reason for their success. To say it isn't a reason is pretty foolish, to put it lightly.

[Buckzip]

I have no agenda sir. I was the one that said that, and never said it was THE reason for their success. To say it isn't a reason is pretty foolish, to put it lightly.

You are missing the point.

Is it helping them? Yes.

But did it help them come in and immediately compete in what some say is the best conference? No.

Mizzo playing for the conf championship just shows that a middle of the road B12 team came into the Conference and in the second year played for the championship.

[Dave in Green]

How many teams in the SEC would be favored to beat Columbus State in a bowl game?

Breaking it down a little, tOSU now has a coach who won two national championships while in the SEC, so coaching shouldn't hold them back from beating SEC teams. Almost every season tOSU is ranked with a top 5 or top 10 recruiting class, so they should have player talent equivalent to the best SEC teams that also finish in the top 5 or 10 in recruiting.

The one area where tOSU appears to be most challenged is in experience playing against other top teams. The top SEC teams typically have higher SOS, so they've played against tougher opponents during the regular season. Maybe the top SEC teams only play one or two teams a season that are significantly better than anyone on tOSU's schedule. But those games would be the equivalent of being matched against a high-ranked team in a bowl. So the top SEC teams come into the bowl season with more big-game experience.

I think someone already posted that the oddsmakers would favor both Alabama and Missouri over tOSU, but would favor tOSU over Auburn. I think I'd give Auburn a small edge based on their big-game experience. The Michigan game was a big red flag. It was the biggest game of the season so far for tOSU, and they barely held on to beat a team that Zips fans know to be no powerhouse. Based on all of the above, I think that tOSU would need a lot of luck to beat any of the top 3 SEC teams.

[GP1]

Here is an interesting read I came across about SEC "dominance".

http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208...hompson-sec-bcs

Author was raised in Juneau, Alaska and went to Oregon..so he doesn't appear to be some B1G apologist.

Every tosu fan and their brother on Facebook has linked to this article. Without this article they would link to a war on Christmas article. Heck, the author probably took a break from his war on Christmas article to write this one.

Interesting stats. I've never been a fan of using bowl records to create a comparison as I think that is unfair because bowl are exhibition games many games don't take too seriously. What strikes me most of all isn't the head to head comparisons of each conference, but the little they play each other with the exception of the ACC. People can think what they want about the ACC, but at least those teams have the balls to play the sec a lot and they compete well. Here is what the stats also tell me. Every conference out there has had combined 158 regular season games against the SEC and not once have the Ohio State Paranoids played a single regular season game against them. Hmmmmm. Some teams have balls, others don't.

The complete stupidity within the story is ESPN is the cause of people's opinions because they are in bed with the sec. Can anyone tell me the network that televises the top sec games each week. Hint: It was the same network that televised the Alabama/Auburn game Saturday. It is the same network that will televise the SEC Championship this Saturday. ESPN is a heck of a promotional vehicle for a major competitor.

[Zipgrad01]

I had this gem emailed to me today by an OSU fan....

WHY AKRON ZIPS should pass Auburn in the BCS Standings.

· Akron beat Can't State

Can't State beat Liberty

Liberty beat Gardner Webb

Gardner Webb beat Furman

Furman beat Wofford

Wofford beat Georgia Southern

Georgia Southern beat Florida

Florida beat Tennessee

Tennessee beat South Carolina

South Carolina beat Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt beat Georgia

Georgia beat LSU

LSU beat Auburn

Auburn beat Alabama

In conclusion, Akron beat Auburn, Alabama, and ultimately went 14-0 in the SEC this year.

Akron altogether beat

#13 Clemson

#20 Duke

#10 Michigan State

#21 Wisconsin

#7 Stanford

#12 Oregon

#18 UCLA

#16 UCF

#19 Louisville

#3 Auburn

#4 Alabama

#5 Missouri

#8 South Carolina

#15 LSU

#22 Georgia

#24 Texas A&M

#25 Texas

#23 Fresno State

#6 Oklahoma State

#9 Baylor

#17 Oklahoma

#11 Arizona State

That's 22 wins over top 25 teams!

The Zips are currently on a 3 game winning streak! They are on fire! Who cares about their seven losses--they weren't playing Akron football! LOOK AT THE RESUME! They have a former SEC coach as their current coach! Akron is more DESERVING than Auburn, clearly. Akron just put up 296 transitive rushing yards on Alabama! Akron has the best transitive offense and defense in the nation! Losses don't matter anymore!

[Dave in Green]

@Buckzip, all I said was that both teams were trending up in recruiting class strength in the two classes following the announcement of them joining the SEC. As you point out, recruiting is a complex equation and the public is not privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. If you look at their recruiting classes over a period of years, they've trended up and down while remaining in the Big 12. Statistically speaking, two seasons of upward trend are not sufficient to establish a clear pattern. If they keep trending up over the next few years and remain at a higher level than their historic Big 12 levels, then you could reasonably conclude that the SEC is likely a factor in giving them a lasting recruiting boost over the Big 12.

[Buckzip]

Every tosu fan and their brother on Facebook has linked to this article. Without this article they would link to a war on Christmas article. Heck, the author probably took a break from his war on Christmas article to write this one.

Interesting stats. I've never been a fan of using bowl records to create a comparison as I think that is unfair because bowl are exhibition games many games don't take too seriously. What strikes me most of all isn't the head to head comparisons of each conference, but the little they play each other with the exception of the ACC. People can think what they want about the ACC, but at least those teams have the balls to play the sec a lot and they compete well. Here is what the stats also tell me. Every conference out there has had combined 158 regular season games against the SEC and not once have the Ohio State Paranoids played a single regular season game against them. Hmmmmm. Some teams have balls, others don't.

The complete stupidity within the story is ESPN is the cause of people's opinions because they are in bed with the sec. Can anyone tell me the network that televises the top sec games each week. Hint: It was the same network that televised the Alabama/Auburn game Saturday. It is the same network that will televise the SEC Championship this Saturday. ESPN is a heck of a promotional vehicle for a major competitor.

I will tell you right now why that highlighted part is a bunch of crap.

The secheats doesn't come north. Just as OSU doesn't play them, they don't play OSU. Interesting how you only attack one side of that equation. Hmmmmm

OSU had Vandy on the schedule this year and Vandy backed out.

OSU had Tenn on the schedule for 2015 and Tenn backed out.

OSU asked for a home and home with Bama, but Bama refused.

OSU will only schedule those teams for a home and home. The secheats teams only want a home game.

These are facts.

When was the last time Bama, LSU, UF, etc went to Texas, USC, Oklahoma or any major school?

You are really reaching here.

Sorry dude, I know a lot of posters here only follow Akron and not college football in general, and you can pull this stuff over on them. I know that some here would believe you if you said the OSU pregame meal consisted of babies and kittens too and give you a +1 or agree with you. But it doesn't work with everyone.

ACC. LOL. Clemson was exposed, Miami was exposed. FSU is the only team any good in that conference and they have been nothing this entire century until now.

Duke, the basketball school, is playing in their champ game. ROFLMAO.

BTW, why don't you look up which network has a major deal coming with the secheats?

Surprise, surprise.

[Buckzip]

I had this gem emailed to me today by an OSU fan....

WHY AKRON ZIPS should pass Auburn in the BCS Standings.

· Akron beat Can't State

Can't State beat Liberty

Liberty beat Gardner Webb

Gardner Webb beat Furman

Furman beat Wofford

Wofford beat Georgia Southern

Georgia Southern beat Florida

Florida beat Tennessee

Tennessee beat South Carolina

South Carolina beat Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt beat Georgia

Georgia beat LSU

LSU beat Auburn

Auburn beat Alabama

In conclusion, Akron beat Auburn, Alabama, and ultimately went 14-0 in the SEC this year.

Akron altogether beat

#13 Clemson

#20 Duke

#10 Michigan State

#21 Wisconsin

#7 Stanford

#12 Oregon

#18 UCLA

#16 UCF

#19 Louisville

#3 Auburn

#4 Alabama

#5 Missouri

#8 South Carolina

#15 LSU

#22 Georgia

#24 Texas A&M

#25 Texas

#23 Fresno State

#6 Oklahoma State

#9 Baylor

#17 Oklahoma

#11 Arizona State

That's 22 wins over top 25 teams!

The Zips are currently on a 3 game winning streak! They are on fire! Who cares about their seven losses--they weren't playing Akron football! LOOK AT THE RESUME! They have a former SEC coach as their current coach! Akron is more DESERVING than Auburn, clearly. Akron just put up 296 transitive rushing yards on Alabama! Akron has the best transitive offense and defense in the nation! Losses don't matter anymore!

There is 1 poster here, maybe more, that agrees 100% with that. LOL

[zippy5]

When was the last time Bama, LSU, UF, etc went to Texas, USC, Oklahoma or any major school?

Since you ask. Bama played at PSU 2 years ago. UF plays @ FSU and Miami every other year. SC plays @ Clemson every other year. Tennessee played at Oregon this year. Auburn played at Clemson two years ago.

[Zipgrad01]

Since you ask. Bama played at PSU 2 years ago. UF plays @ FSU and Miami every other year. SC plays @ Clemson every other year. Tennessee played at Oregon this year. Auburn played at Clemson two years ago.

Alabama played Michigan last year.

[skip-zip]

Every conference out there has had combined 158 regular season games against the SEC and not once have the Ohio State Paranoids played a single regular season game against them. Hmmmmm. Some teams have balls, others don't.

Because it doesn't fit into their formula of finding the easiest way to get themselves into national championship contention.

Wait until the new system puts a higher premium on SOS.

[zippy5]

Alabama played Michigan last year.

At home though. LSU also played at WVU 2 years ago, to add.

[Buckzip]

Since you ask. Bama played at PSU 2 years ago. UF plays @ FSU and Miami every other year. SC plays @ Clemson every other year. Tennessee played at Oregon this year. Auburn played at Clemson two years ago.

Other than Bama/PSU, what the hell do the others have to do with anything?

Of course those teams play, they are rivalry games. I guess you should include UGA GT too then.

[Buckzip]

At home though. LSU also played at WVU 2 years ago, to add.

WVU. LOL.

Again, no heavyweight.

They are afraid to come north for a real game.

Bama wouldn't go to Mi.

[zippy5]

So if it's a rivalry game it doesn't count as going to a major school? Noted. Disregard those, and we'll just count Bama @ PSU, LSU @WVU, Tenn @ Oregon, and Auburn @ Clemson. WVU was ranked #16, that isn't a major road game?