Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Give the SEC credit for selecting two new schools with teams that fit right into the SEC dominance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm not going to deny that the SEC is the best (at the top). But don't you think its a little interesting that A&M (6-6 their last year in the Big 12, also lost Tannehill) comes into the league and dominates their first year with a redshirt freshman? Or a middle of the pack Big 12 team is playing for the championship in their second year? Auburn and Missouri were a complete joke last year and were picked to finish 9th and 11th in conference this year. Note that Missouri and A&M are running the conference without SEC "talent". The only team I have real respect for in that conference is Bama. If the SEC wanted a rep in the national title game, they shouldn't have lost. Or wait, let's just make the SEC championship game the national championship and get rid of all the other 110+ teams that shouldn't have a right to play for anything Is it unusual that Mizzou and A&M have had early success? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's not merely coincidental. In the case of A&M, I think we can safely point to a special player as being the fuel. The Tigers are different. They have benefited greatly from a seasoned O-Line and the return to health of several key individuals. I agree Bama, though not as strong as in recent years, is probably still the best team in the conference. But how many seriously believe OSU would still be undefeated if they had played the schedule of Auburn or Mizzou (or Bama, for that matter)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 But how many seriously believe OSU would still be undefeated if they had played the schedule of Auburn or Mizzou (or Bama, for that matter)? Over the last couple of days, I think that has been the most compelling factor as to why Auburn should be in the NC Game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Give the SEC credit for selecting two new schools with teams that fit right into the SEC dominance. Neither was dominant before they joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Over the last couple of days, I think that has been the most compelling factor as to why Auburn should be in the NC Game. OSU probably wouldn't be undefeated..they might be because they would play in the "juggernaut" of the East, who knows. But then again Missouri is in the SEC East and they are the Western-most team in the conference. I guess they don't teach geography down there lol. But really, if you THINK OSU wouldn't be undefeated (which I am sure most do, including myself), why should Auburn get in ahead of them if they aren't undefeated as well? Fact: If Auburn, Bama, or any SEC team was undefeated, they would be in over an undefeated OSU team and rightfully so. But, if my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle. So I don't think anything about the argument is "compelling". Don't lose to a 3 loss LSU team and there is no argument. Can't wait for the playoff next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Is it unusual that Mizzou and A&M have had early success? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's not merely coincidental. In the case of A&M, I think we can safely point to a special player as being the fuel. The Tigers are different. They have benefited greatly from a seasoned O-Line and the return to health of several key individuals. I agree Bama, though not as strong as in recent years, is probably still the best team in the conference. But how many seriously believe OSU would still be undefeated if they had played the schedule of Auburn or Mizzou (or Bama, for that matter)? It is impossible to answer your question. Too many variables. They could be undefeated or have 4 losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 OSU probably wouldn't be undefeated..they might be because they would play in the "juggernaut" of the East, who knows. But then again Missouri is in the SEC East and they are the Western-most team in the conference. I guess they don't teach geography down there lol. But really, if you THINK OSU wouldn't be undefeated (which I am sure most do), why should Auburn get in ahead of them if they aren't undefeated as well? Fact: If Auburn, Bama, or any SEC team was undefeated, they would be in over an undefeated OSU team and rightfully so. But, if my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle. Can't wait for the playoff next season. True. The secheats will get the benefit of the doubt every time. E$PiN will make sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Speaking of bias. . . There was a conversation amongst Ohio State fans the other day about the possibility of Auburn leapfrogging the Buckeyes following the conference championship games if both teams won. One of the OSU fans said "there is no way Auburn should jump Ohio State because they won games against Georgia and Alabama on pure luck". At this point I had to interject, "kinda like that miracle pass to Michael Jenkins that Krenzel pulled out of his ass to beat Purdue and the interference call on Chris Gamble in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl". If looks could kill. That's beautiful !! I love to remind them about the Pass Interference call that was flagged as everyone was running onto the field. And just think, that's their only title in the last 45 years. You'd never guess it by the way they flaunt their supposed superiority. They also like to dig at other programs when they are being investigated for violations. It's a big source of laughter. The NCAA data on the top violators that was uncovered through public record by their own hometown newspaper a couple of years ago must have been quickly forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Neither was dominant before they joined. Give double credit to the SEC for their foresight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Give double credit to the SEC for their foresight. Yea. The secheats is so damn good that they predict the future ? Maybe, just maybe, the secheats isn't as great as everyone thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 If the measure of greatness in sports is winning, 7 straight national championships should be sufficient to remove all reasonable doubt. However, since sports fans are not reasonable, the debate will go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 If the measure of greatness in sports is winning, 7 straight national championships should be sufficient to remove all reasonable doubt. However, since sports fans are not reasonable, the debate will go on. If they've had 7 different teams that would be different. Each year is a different year. Winning 7 in a row may mean each year they have the best team. It doesn't mean that the conference is that great. The east is not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 If producing the national champion 7 straight seasons does not make a conference great, then what measure should be used? What conference has been greater over the last 7 seasons and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 If producing the national champion 7 straight seasons does not make a conference great, then what measure should be used? What conference has been greater over the last 7 seasons and why? Read up some. I said they are the best conference. I said they just aren't as great as many think. They usually have the top team but then have a big drop off. Wait until bowl season and see their record in bowl games. The acc has owned the secheats in non conf games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yea. The secheats is so damn good that they predict the future ? Maybe, just maybe, the secheats isn't as great as everyone thinks. Or maybe going to the SEC helped their recruiting a little bit. Nah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm sure the SEC is not as great as some think because some think they walk on water. As far as depth, they currently have 3 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 8 in the BCS standings. I'd bet on those top 4 against the top 4 from any other conference, and I'm not even a bettor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Or maybe going to the SEC helped their recruiting a little bit. Nah.. So, you think the TAMU team that beat Bama last year was all true freshman and the Mizzo team this year is all freshman and sophs? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 So, you think the TAMU team that beat Bama last year was all true freshman and the Mizzo team this year is all freshman and sophs? Lol. Yes that is exactly what I said. However one could make a good argument that yes, the SEC recruits beat Bama as Johnny Football and Mike Evans were Freshmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm sure the SEC is not as great as some think because some think they walk on water. As far as depth, they currently have 3 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 8 in the BCS standings. I'd bet on those top 4 against the top 4 from any other conference, and I'm not even a bettor. You do realize half of the secheats teams start in the top 15 and then don't drop much because they beat each other? Auburn is not that great. Mizzo will be exposed. I promise you. SC-bla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yes that is exactly what I said. Then I have nothing more to discuss with you. Have a nice evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I don't even understand what your point is. You admitted that they're the best conference. So.. They're like really good but not really really good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I don't even understand what your point is. You admitted that they're the best conference. So.. They're like really good but not really really good? I know you don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Way to stay mature. You do represent the OSU fanbase very well, I will say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Way to stay mature. You do represent the OSU fanbase very well, I will say. And boom. There is the personal attack and having to bring OSU into the conversation. Lmao. Typical. Did I say 1 thing about OSU? Yes or no? I would mention you as part of the wonderful Akron fan base, but that would be putting myself down as I am part of the same fanbase. All I said was I know you don't understand. I've already explained it and you missed it. I'm not doing it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Actually, I do think that Missouri might be a better overall team than Auburn. I think Auburn has caught a couple of really lucky breaks. Sometimes a team of destiny like that comes along and stays lucky right up through the end, and sometimes the coach turns into a pumpkin before midnight. I think this weekend's games are going to be really interesting. I also think the SEC will do well in the various bowls, but will not be invincible. We can revisit that in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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