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[Zipgrad01]

At home though. LSU also played at WVU 2 years ago, to add.

No. They played Michigan at Cowboys stadium in Dallas.

[zippy5]

I feel dirty sticking up for the SEC, but buckzip keeps moving the goalposts and it's kind of fun. Soon, the SEC will be afraid because they all don't play the preseason #1 @ their place every year.

[Buckzip]

So if it's a rivalry game it doesn't count as going to a major school? Noted. Disregard those, and we'll just count Bama @ PSU, LSU @WVU, Tenn @ Oregon, and Auburn @ Clemson. WVU was ranked #16, that isn't a major road game?

No it isn't.

Like I said, the secheats doesn't go north. When I say north, think Mason Dixon line, not north of where their school is.

Thanks for reminding me about Oregon/Tenn. You saw why the secheats doesn't travel north. LOL

[Buckzip]

I feel dirty sticking up for the SEC, but buckzip keeps moving the goalposts and it's kind of fun. Soon, the SEC will be afraid because they all don't play the preseason #1 @ their place every year.

Please explain how I'm moving the goal posts.

Bottom line. The secheats doesn't travel north. Noting a few exceptions over a few years means nothing.

I agree it is fun watching all you guys try to prove a point that you can't.

BTW, the Bama/MI game was in Dallas IIRC, because Bama didn't want a home and home.

[zippy5]

Like I said, the secheats doesn't go north. When I say north, think Mason Dixon line, not north of where their school is.

You did not say that. You said :

When was the last time Bama, LSU, UF, etc went to Texas, USC, Oklahoma or any major school?

So I found the answers for you.

[zippy5]

Please explain how I'm moving the goal posts.

Tennessee played @ Oregon. LSU @ WVU for whatever reason not yet actually explained isn't "going north," and PSU/Bama directly refutes your "Bama won't go north to play anyone" stance. LOL all you want, you're wrong.

[Dave in Green]

What's funny is those posters listed aren't eve the ones that start the crap. LOL. Some people are so clueless that it is absolutely hilarious.

Maybe that poster is the one who pushed Ohio to the top of the list of least courteous states that @Keener'92 posted in OT. I was taken aback when he first popped that line on me a few years ago. But the moderators said just to ignore him, which is really easy to do. Early last season he posted here that Notre Dame was no longer relevant in college football, and they ended up playing in the national championship game. So whatever he says, think the opposite.

[Buckzip]

You did not say that. You said :

So I found the answers for you.

You are correct. I guess I expected you to realize what I meant when I said north. My mistake.

Maybe next year Bama will get Maine Community College on their schedule and we can say they went north.

Or maybe they will play Northern Alabama, which is north of Tuscaloosa, and we can say they went north.

[zippy5]

You are correct. I guess I expected you to realize what I meant when I said north. My mistake.

Maybe next year Bama will get Maine Community College on their schedule and we can say they went north.

Or maybe they will play Northern Alabama, which is north of Tuscaloosa, and we can say they went north.

You're getting ridiculous. WVU was ranked #16, PSU was ranked #23, Oregon was top 5. All "north," all "major," and all great teams. But go on.

[Buckzip]

Maybe that poster is the one who pushed Ohio to the top of the list of least courteous states that @Keener'92 posted in OT. I was taken aback when he first popped that line on me a few years ago. But the moderators said just to ignore him, which is really easy to do. Early last season he posted here that Notre Dame was no longer relevant in college football, and they ended up playing in the national championship game. So whatever he says, think the opposite.

Sorry dude, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Buckzip]

You're getting ridiculous. WVU was ranked #16, PSU was ranked #23, Oregon was top 5. All "north," all "major," and all great teams. But go on.

This is getting more and more fun.

WVU historically sucks. Tenn is an secheats bottom feeder. Scheduling WVU I am sure was done when they sucked.

You know, kind of like how posters here attack OSU for their week schedule but ignore that when they scheduled a home and home with Cal, they were top 20 and SDSU was a good team too.

Bama going to PSU is the only one that is legit.

And by the way, you never did list them going to USC, Texas or OK. If you consider WVU a major school, we have differing opinions on that. So be it.

[zippy5]

This is getting more and more fun.

WVU historically sucks. Tenn is an secheats bottom feeder. Scheduling WVU I am sure was done when they sucked.

You know, kind of like how posters here attack OSU for their week schedule but ignore that when they scheduled a home and home with Cal, they were top 20 and SDSU was a good team too.

Bama going to PSU is the only one that is legit.

WVU was played in 2011. Assuming they scheduled around 2006 or 2007... Well WVU was en route to the Nat'l Championship when Pitt knocked them off in the "13-9" game in 2007. How is Tennessee @ #2 Oregon not legit?

[zippy5]

Back to my moving the goalposts comment. It started as "when was the last time an SEC went to a Major school?" ... turned into a "major school north that isn't a rival," and now when the game was scheduled and the history of the opponent is also a factor. I am done.

[Zipgrad01]

This is getting more and more fun.

WVU historically sucks. Tenn is an secheats bottom feeder. Scheduling WVU I am sure was done when they sucked.

You know, kind of like how posters here attack OSU for their week schedule but ignore that when they scheduled a home and home with Cal, they were top 20 and SDSU was a good team too.

Bama going to PSU is the only one that is legit.

And by the way, you never did list them going to USC, Texas or OK. If you consider WVU a major school, we have differing opinions on that. So be it.

Tennessee has been bad for a couple years, but they are a blue blood. How can you say that they are an SEC bottom feeder? They also currently have the #2 recruiting class in the nation according to rivals.

[Buckzip]

WVU was played in 2011. Assuming they scheduled around 2006 or 2007... Well WVU was en route to the Nat'l Championship when Pitt knocked them off in the "13-9" game in 2007. How is Tennessee @ #2 Oregon not legit?

Tenn is an SEC bottom feeder. I mentioned the top secheats schools. That is part of why I was so shocked that Vandy and Tenn both pulled out. They are the bottom of the secheats.

I don't consider 1 hit wonders to be top line schools. That's why I said USC, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

WVU doesn't belong in that conversation. At least not IMHO.

[Buckzip]

Tennessee has been bad for a couple years, but they are a blue blood. How can you say that they are an SEC bottom feeder? They also currently have the #2 recruiting class in the nation according to rivals.

Tenn has been down more than a few years. They were down when Kiffen took over for Fulmer and he is a disaster and made things worse.

[skip-zip]

This is getting so funny.

I can't count how many times I've heard the "SEC won't play in cold weather" argument from OSWho fans.

They may as well be saying, "If we can get them in the mud and snow and nobody can get footing or hold onto the ball, we might have a chance".

Bowl Games are played indoors or in good weather stadiums for many reasons. But, it's especially pleasing and comfortable for the fans, and it puts both teams on fair and equal conditions to succeed.

Let me add:

Did our resident OSWho Defender just call Tennessee a one-hit wonder? If so, I wonder where that puts the school that's won only 1 title between 1968 and 2013?

[Buckzip]

Back to my moving the goalposts comment. It started as "when was the last time an SEC went to a Major school?" ... turned into a "major school north that isn't a rival," and now when the game was scheduled and the history of the opponent is also a factor. I am done.

I'm glad you are done. Other than Bama/PSU, you never proved the point I asked for. I conceded Bama/PSU in case you didn't notice.

I name specific schools. You ignore them and bring in second tier schools. Then you say I am moving the goal posts.

Alrighty then. Have a pleasant evening.

[Dave in Green]

If everyone is going to use their own personal standards of which teams are strong and which are weak, this discussion is going nowhere. The various ranking services may be imperfect, but so are personal opinions. At least the national rankings provide a common measurement, so using them will make the discussion apples vs. apples rather than apples vs. oranges.

[Buckzip]

The problem is that many times the best team doesn't play for the NC. If you lose, it depends when you lose. If you lose early you can move back up, if you lose late, you are screwed. Unless you are Bama that is.

Everyone was all over Baylor as being so great and then Okie State wiped them out.

People think Auburn must be great because they beat Bama. Maybe Bama isn't that good or maybe Auburn played the game of their life that night.

Look at 2006. OSU and UM were #1 and #2. OSU beat UM 42-39.

Then OSU went on to get smoked in the NCG and UM went and got smoked in their bowl game.

ND got destroyed last year and they normally play a tougher schedule.

Rankings are more about perception than reality.

A 4 team playoff is better than what we have now, but I think we need a minimum of 8 teams to get a real feel for it.

[Dave in Green]

Right, good teams have bad days and bad teams have good days. Sometimes they come together and there's a big upset. What I meant by my previous post is that while the national rankings are flawed, they're flawed in a way that we're mostly familiar with. The example of losing early in the season being considered less damaging than losing late in the season is a good example of something that many consider as a flaw. But if the national championship is supposed to be about the two best teams playing at the end of the season, then it makes sense that the two strongest teams at the end of the season meet. A team that was strong early in the season can fall apart, and a team that started slowly could evolve into the best at the end of the season.

While the BCS standings have imperfections like any individual poll, at least the BCS standings have offsetting imperfections. One human poll is comprised of journalists, who have their own set of insights and biases. The other consists of coaches, who have another set of insights and biases. The computer programs are all over the map. Has anyone looked closely at how much variation there is in the six computer rankings? But averaging six of them probably results in a reasonably accurate picture from the computer perspective. Averaging the two human polls and six computer rankings probably comes as close to accurate as anything else out there.

I think that reasonable points can be made about moving various teams around a few positions here and there. But I don't think that any teams are grossly out of place in the BCS standings. Because each team is built differently with different strengths and weaknesses, they're going to match up differently against different teams. So it may be possible that the #5 team matches up better against the #1 team than the #2 team matches up against the #1 team. We don't really know before the game is played, and we don't really know after the game what would have happened if the matchup had been different. But it's fun and entertaining to discuss all the possibilities on sports forums as long as we stay focused and don't get distracted down blind alleys.

[GP1]

I had this gem emailed to me today by an OSU fan....

WHY AKRON ZIPS should pass Auburn in the BCS Standings.

· Akron beat Can't State

Can't State beat Liberty

Liberty beat Gardner Webb

Gardner Webb beat Furman

Furman beat Wofford

Wofford beat Georgia Southern

Georgia Southern beat Florida

Florida beat Tennessee

Tennessee beat South Carolina

South Carolina beat Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt beat Georgia

Georgia beat LSU

LSU beat Auburn

Auburn beat Alabama

In conclusion, Akron beat Auburn, Alabama, and ultimately went 14-0 in the SEC this year.

Was the e-mail address gfaust@faustlogic.com?

[LZIp]

I had this gem emailed to me today by an OSU fan....

WHY AKRON ZIPS should pass Auburn in the BCS Standings.

· Akron beat Can't State

Can't State beat Liberty

Liberty beat Gardner Webb

Gardner Webb beat Furman

Furman beat Wofford

Wofford beat Georgia Southern

Georgia Southern beat Florida

Florida beat Tennessee

Tennessee beat South Carolina

South Carolina beat Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt beat Georgia

Georgia beat LSU

LSU beat Auburn

Auburn beat Alabama

In conclusion, Akron beat Auburn, Alabama, and ultimately went 14-0 in the SEC this year.

Akron altogether beat

#13 Clemson

#20 Duke

#10 Michigan State

#21 Wisconsin

#7 Stanford

#12 Oregon

#18 UCLA

#16 UCF

#19 Louisville

#3 Auburn

#4 Alabama

#5 Missouri

#8 South Carolina

#15 LSU

#22 Georgia

#24 Texas A&M

#25 Texas

#23 Fresno State

#6 Oklahoma State

#9 Baylor

#17 Oklahoma

#11 Arizona State

That's 22 wins over top 25 teams!

The Zips are currently on a 3 game winning streak! They are on fire! Who cares about their seven losses--they weren't playing Akron football! LOOK AT THE RESUME! They have a former SEC coach as their current coach! Akron is more DESERVING than Auburn, clearly. Akron just put up 296 transitive rushing yards on Alabama! Akron has the best transitive offense and defense in the nation! Losses don't matter anymore!

that is actually pretty cool lol

[legendofzippy]

I started this thread asking why the MAC is considered a D1 conference even though we're not given the same opportunities as other D1 conferences. It was quickly hijacked by OSU haters, which is strange to me.

Look, the MAC doesn't get the same chances the Big Ten gets. So Akron does not compete with OSU. Let it go. Our rival is Can't State.

The vast majority of incoming freshman to Akron (that are college FB fans) are going to be OSU fans. At one point there were quite a few ND fans in this state, but that hasn't been the case for quite some time. If you want to get more people on-board with the Zips, you're going to have to reach out to OSU fans. Akron games have three things for northeast Ohio FB fans that OSU doesn't - more available tickets, more affordable tickets, and a short drive.

It's foolish to think you're going to get kids growing up as Akron fans instead of OSU fans. They have their own network and are on national tv pretty consistently. We have ESPN3.com and a channel on Time Warner, the worst cable provider in the area. Braxton Miller alone is currently getting his third SI cover. I can envision few scenarios where we'd get anyone on one.

Whatever hatred and jealousy you have, get over it. Conferences like the MAC are positioned by the NCAA as an alternative. That's why we get Tuesday night games.

My point is - why can't the alternative get their own champion? Why is our ultimate aspiration a BCS bowl against an opponent with far more financial resources?

[Buckzip]

I started this thread asking why the MAC is considered a D1 conference even though we're not given the same opportunities as other D1 conferences. It was quickly hijacked by OSU haters, which is strange to me.

Look, the MAC doesn't get the same chances the Big Ten gets. So Akron does not compete with OSU. Let it go. Our rival is Can't State.

The vast majority of incoming freshman to Akron (that are college FB fans) are going to be OSU fans. At one point there were quite a few ND fans in this state, but that hasn't been the case for quite some time. If you want to get more people on-board with the Zips, you're going to have to reach out to OSU fans. Akron games have three things for northeast Ohio FB fans that OSU doesn't - more available tickets, more affordable tickets, and a short drive.

It's foolish to think you're going to get kids growing up as Akron fans instead of OSU fans. They have their own network and are on national tv pretty consistently. We have ESPN3.com and a channel on Time Warner, the worst cable provider in the area. Braxton Miller alone is currently getting his third SI cover. I can envision few scenarios where we'd get anyone on one.

Whatever hatred and jealousy you have, get over it. Conferences like the MAC are positioned by the NCAA as an alternative. That's why we get Tuesday night games.

My point is - why can't the alternative get their own champion? Why is our ultimate aspiration a BCS bowl against an opponent with far more financial resources?

Well said. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears.

Some people just need a boogie man to hate and blame everything on. It makes them feel good about themselves.

The obsession over OSU with a few fans is embarrassing and makes them look like fools. Unfortunately, they are too foolish to see it.

This is an Akron site. It's pretty sad that the largest threads are usually threads bashing others.

We have a rivalry board, smack board, etc. Too bad the mods don't enforce their own rules.