Kyle Pohl 2015

[gozips19]

First time at attempting a poll so I hope I did this right.

I've waited all year to post this poll as I wanted to see how the year played out for Kyle and the Zips. I think it's fair to call Kyle and the Zips as a whole a disappointment. While there are holes on this team that has been talked about at length the one major hole this year was at QB. Kyle took a step back this year and it really hurt the offense. His decision making at times left you scratching your head and his accuracey is not good. Top it off with the fact that Kyle no longer runs so you lose the the option read and him possibly gaining a 1st down with his legs. I'm almost about to write this kid off but sometimes seniors come back with more focus and overachieve. I'm curious of your thoughts. Here are his stats for the year game by game for you to review.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/514617/kyle-pohl

[Kangaroo Craig]

Pohl has certainly been underwhelming indeed, but some of the blame has to go the O-Line. They have been pushed around all year. The few games that I watched on TV (Zip alum living in California), Pohl has been under constant pressure. I wasn't able to watch today, but based upon what I had heard from Frenchy, it was pretty much the same thing again today. Great game by Chisolm. I wander how he would do with consistent blocking in front of him all year. I still believe it might be time to replace the signal caller though. Pohl forces too many passes when under pressure. I get it, he's frustrated and trying to make a play, but I would much rather see him throw it out of bounds instead of making an ill advised pass.

[Zipgrad01]

I don't see Kyle transferring out, but I also don't see him as the starter next year. I hope he has a great offseason and proves me wrong.

[Balsy]

Pohl was 1-3 in his last 4 games. The Zips have been 5-7 twice with Pohl at the helm. We need to solve the offensive problems by fixing the QB position. Pohl has not taken care of the ball in crucial parts of the game. Penn St, Miami, Can't, BGSU...INTs in the Redzone are unacceptable when your offense has trouble moving the ball to get to he red zone in the first time.

I've seen very little growth in Pohl over the past two seasons. The problems he had last year, are the same problems he has this year: stares down receivers,does not adapt to the coverage, sticks to busted plays (the INT in the game today was an example of that, the WR wasn't open at all from my angle, and was a forced throw), doesn't command the offense and seems to lack confidence.

[Zipgrad01]

Pohl was 1-3 in his last 4 games. The Zips have been 5-7 twice with Pohl at the helm. We need to solve the offensive problems by fixing the QB position. Pohl has not taken care of the ball in crucial parts of the game. Penn St, Miami, Can't, BGSU...INTs in the Redzone are unacceptable when your offense has trouble moving the ball to get to he red zone in the first time.

I've seen very little growth in Pohl over the past two seasons. The problems he had last year, are the same problems he has this year: stares down receivers,does not adapt to the coverage, sticks to busted plays (the INT in the game today was an example of that, the WR wasn't open at all from my angle, and was a forced throw), doesn't command the offense and seems to lack confidence.

Pathetic play calling, lack of skill and talent at the wr position, lack of a consistent running game......

I am not taking all the blame off Pohl because he often threw lazy and inaccurate passes, but the only quarterback that would have been successful this year was a Braxton Miller type that could just create with their feet. Guys rarely got open.

[ZachTheZip]

I just don't see him being able to beat Chapman.

[Lee Adams]

I will echo what somebody said above. The responsibility is not all on Pohl. Bowden/Milwee have done very little consistently to put this offense in positions to perform at a high level with the talent they have. We have seen this 'round peg into a square hole' mindset too often in the last couple of years.

Pohl gets to compete for the job. But guess what; If he isn't the starter Bowden is starting all over with another unproven inexperienced QB. Good luck with that.

[GP1]

I will echo what somebody said above. The responsibility is not all on Pohl. Bowden/Milwee have done very little consistently to put this offense in positions to perform at a high level with the talent they have. We have seen this 'round peg into a square hole' mindset too often in the last couple of years.

Pohl gets to compete for the job. But guess what; If he isn't the starter Bowden is starting all over with another unproven inexperienced QB. Good luck with that.

Good luck indeed. It's like being a Browns fan. Not sure I can put any energy into that.

[Balsy]

I agree with Zach. And not to take anything away from what you said Zipgrad, but I've seen (all season) receivers open on plays that Pohl did not see, and instead forced the ball to an unopened WR. Today alone there were 3-4 plays he threw a Lazy ball and missed wide open receivers (there was one to Imani Davis that was for sure a TD), as was the missed pass to TE Anthony Ritossa, and there were also several plays where Pohl completely missed at least 1 open WR. I agree our WRs need to improve, but a QB who can hit open guy will make the WRs better.

As for the contention that this is the "Browns" mentality. The "Browns Mentality" is the correct one. If a guy isn't getting it done, get one who can in your system as quickly as possible. The Browns have a first year stating QB this year and he seems to be running a brand new offense (to him) with a brand new head coach, with a team who is also adjusting to a whole new scheme: quite well. Its also important to note that the Browns had that QB on their roster already last year, yet the last staff went with the BS notion that a first-round pick (Weeden) must be better without having a proper competition. There was clearly a better option on the bench.

I agree something has got to be done with the play calling I'm often left scratching my head, we need to get back to the 2012 style offense that we had. Kyle Pohl (however) is not the QB to lead it.

[LZIp]

Good luck indeed. It's like being a Browns fan. Not sure I can put any energy into that.

You aren't a Browns fan so you don't know what its like, and every elite QB was unproven at one point. I'd rather take my chances on a high ceiling QB than a topped out mediocre one who leads us to 5 win seasons with one of the worst offenses in the nation.

[Zipgrad01]

I agree with Zach. And not to take anything away from what you said Zipgrad, but I've seen (all season) receivers open on plays that Pohl did not see, and instead forced the ball to an unopened WR. Today alone there were 3-4 plays he threw a Lazy ball and missed wide open receivers (there was one to Imani Davis that was for sure a TD), as was the missed pass to TE Anthony Ritossa, and there were also several plays where Pohl completely missed at least 1 open WR. I agree our WRs need to improve, but a QB who can hit open guy will make the WRs better.

As for the contention that this is the "Browns" mentality. The "Browns Mentality" is the correct one. If a guy isn't getting it done, get one who can in your system as quickly as possible. The Browns have a first year stating QB this year and he seems to be running a brand new offense (to him) with a brand new head coach, with a team who is also adjusting to a whole new scheme: quite well. Its also important to note that the Browns had that QB on their roster already last year, yet the last staff went with the BS notion that a first-round pick (Weeden) must be better without having a proper competition. There was clearly a better option on the bench.

I agree something has got to be done with the play calling I'm often left scratching my head, we need to get back to the 2012 style offense that we had. Kyle Pohl (however) is not the QB to lead it.

Ritossa should have caught that ball.

[zippy5]

I quit reading when I saw "the Browns mentality is the right one."

[GP1]

You aren't a Browns fan so you don't know what its like, and every elite QB was unproven at one point. I'd rather take my chances on a high ceiling QB than a topped out mediocre one who leads us to 5 win seasons with one of the worst offenses in the nation.

Unless the high ceiling guy never pans out. Right BroBrowns fans?

[GP1]

I quit reading when I saw "the Browns mentality is the right one."

It's the opposite of the right one.

[zippy5]

It's the opposite of the right one.

Hence why I quit reading. Where's that pic of all the QBs since 98?

[LZIp]

Hence why I quit reading. Where's that pic of all the QBs since 98?

How many of the Browns QBs have gone on to be successful after they were done in Cleveland? Obviously they haven't made any wrong moves with cutting ties with them.

[zippy5]

How many of the Browns QBs have gone on to be successful after they were done in Cleveland? Obviously they haven't made any wrong moves with cutting ties with them.

They already ruined them by that point. You really think through 16 years they never had a good QB on the roster? They'll do it to Hoyer too. Every QB knows they're on a short leash, the fans turn on them their first bad game.. It's not a good environment to succeed and I don't want to see that at Akron.

[LZIp]

They already ruined them by that point. You really think through 16 years they never had a good QB on the roster? They'll do it to Hoyer too. Every QB knows they're on a short leash, the fans turn on them their first bad game.. It's not a good environment to succeed and I don't want to see that at Akron.

Hoyer is certainly better than Weeden, or anyone else they have thrown back there the past decade. But there's a reason he has been an NFL journeyman his entire career. I don't remember Hoyer's last "good" game, and nobody has turned on him yet (except the Manziel nuthuggers who never gave him a fair chance). Pohl has been in the system his entire career and has not progressed from day 1. You could make an argument he has regressed. This is nothing like what you are talking about. You play the best players. I dont care who you are or where you came from.

[MaxZIP]

Hoyer is certainly better than Weeden, or anyone else they have thrown back there the past decade. But there's a reason he has been an NFL journeyman his entire career. I don't remember Hoyer's last "good" game, and nobody has turned on him yet (except the Manziel nuthuggers who never gave him a fair chance). Pohl has been in the system his entire career and has not progressed from day 1. You could make an argument he has regressed. This is nothing like what you are talking about. You play the best players. I dont care who you are or where you came from.

The Browns would have been in a bowl game.

[zippy5]

Hoyer is certainly better than Weeden, or anyone else they have thrown back there the past decade. But there's a reason he has been an NFL journeyman his entire career. I don't remember Hoyer's last "good" game, and nobody has turned on him yet (except the Manziel nuthuggers who never gave him a fair chance). Pohl has been in the system his entire career and has not progressed from day 1. You could make an argument he has regressed. This is nothing like what you are talking about. You play the best players. I dont care who you are or where you came from.

You're missing the point. If there is a better QB on the roster, he'd be playing. The coaches see these guys more than us. I'm more than fine with a competition for the starting job next year.

[Balsy]

Why even post anything if most here are going to dance around the actual point? If you're going to make a comment such as "The Browns Mentality" than you should at least be open to a critique of that comment. And you really should be saying the "NFL Mentality" because just about every team in the NFL goes through the QB carosel until it works. Firing coaches is a better way to reach Browns level of inadequacy than getting rid of horrible QBs.

LZip, thanks for actually addressing the point made.

[LZIp]

You're missing the point. If there is a better QB on the roster, he'd be playing. The coaches see these guys more than us. I'm more than fine with a competition for the starting job next year.

One of those QBs is currently ineligible and it makes zero sense to burn a redshirt 3/4ths of the way through the season. Nobody is talking about this season at all. The thread is called "Kyle Pohl 2015". Thanks.

[Balsy]

You're missing the point. If there is a better QB on the roster, he'd be playing. The coaches see these guys more than us. I'm more than fine with a competition for the starting job next year.

Not true: we just showed how there is such a case where there is a better QB on the roster and wasn't playing. I believe that was also the case for Tom Brady? Oh...and some State Ohio University fans would say Barrett (and I'd agree with them). Coaches seem to favor experience over athleticism, until the athleticism proves it can hold under pressure. IMO TW13 has more athleticism and ability than Pohl; but he cracked under pressure.

We do have other QBs on the roster too...hopefull (for our sake) much better than Pohl.

[LZIp]

The Browns would have been in a bowl game.

But the Browns suck and are in a playoff race and beat the hell out of Pitt and Cinci this season and just ditched their horrible 2012 draft pick after only two seasons!! They clearly arent doing it right! But lets just talk about the loser owners and GMs and coaches before them like it still matters!

[skip-zip]

You're missing the point. If there is a better QB on the roster, he'd be playing. The coaches see these guys more than us.

I've mentioned this to someone already. That's the real problem. THIS is the best we have found/developed at the QB position after 3 seasons of the Bowden regime being in town?

The only real problem I had with the play calling was that we adopted the loser mentality of running the ball and punting on 3rd and long on more than one occasion. This could have actually tied into the same issue....no confidence in the guy you have playing QB to make the play...who is playing by default because you have nobody better.

But for the most part, the play calling has involved multiple routes being run by a number of receivers. The QB then needs to make a good choice and deliver a good pass. That's not happening with this guy. When 6 or 7 guys are rushing, how can you be trying to throw to a guy who is double covered? Someone else HAS to be a better option. The INT in the end zone was also simply a late, lazy throw to the sideline.

I've said this all along about Pohl. He doesn't make enough good throws in enough situations to sustain drives and lead to scores. Just too many 5 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 5 that are behind receivers or in the ground. Too many downfield passes into coverage that get knocked away. Forget the play calling, for the most part. When 4 or 5 guys are running routes on nearly every down, there's makeable plays out there somewhere, if you make the right choice and throw a good enough pass.