kreed5120 Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Akron is looking to buyout 47% of its faculty. https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2019/03/19/big-buyouts-u-akron 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Cutting programs/enrollment can't be a positive thing for the Athletic Dept. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) It is absolutely unreal what is happening to our University! If all of this is enrollment related, why haven't other Ohio public universities been affected in a similar way? All of the associated negative attention only further perpetuates that UA is not a good place to go, so how could we expect that cutting academic programs and professors would improve the situation and enhance enrollment? If you are a high school junior or senior or their parents, why would you consider attending UA given these circumstances? I have zero confidence in UA's leadership right now. While we're at it, let's put this out there too: https://www.ohio.com/news/20190318/ua-losing-top-polymer-researcher-13-person-lab-to-duke-university Edited March 20, 2019 by UAZipster0305 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, UAZipster0305 said: While we're at it, let's put this out there too: https://www.ohio.com/news/20190318/ua-losing-top-polymer-researcher-13-person-lab-to-duke-university I cannot find the words to express how I feel without being banned from this forum. Our biggest claim to fame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip-O-matic Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) All the other state universities are being affected by this other than OSU, UC and Miami, and Miami is only holding on because they relentlessly recruit out of state students. It's hitting Akron the hardest because of years of Proenza's reckless spending binge followed by mediocre or worse leadership that only cared about getting to the next job. This is undoubtedly going to feed the element in state government that's long advocated consolidating programs and even campuses and instituting a much more rigid, structured system, and can you blame them? Proenza's building spree will be exhibit A in the argument to reign in "empire building" within the system. This is a system that funds more public law schools and the same number of public medical schools as California. It's been heading for this cliff for a long time. Edited March 21, 2019 by zip-O-matic 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, zip-O-matic said: All the other state universities are being affected by this other than OSU, UC and Miami, and Miami is only holding on because they relentlessly recruit out of state students. It's hitting Akron the hardest because of years of Proenza's reckless spending binge followed by mediocre or worse leadership that only cared about getting to the next job. This is undoubtedly going to feed the element in state government that's long advocated consolidating programs and even campuses and instituting a much more rigid, structured system, and can you blame them? Proenza's building spree will be exhibit A in the argument to reign in "empire building" within the system. This is a system that funds more public law schools and the same number of public medical schools as California. It's been heading for this cliff for a long time. There are a lot of things to not like about California politics, but I think it's hard to deny that they're ahead of the game when it comes to operating a functional public university system. Below are a list of public universities they have that are in the top 100 best public universities based upon US News and World Reports annual rankings. Akron, Kent, YSU, and Cleveland State should be working together to offer NEO residents the highest level education possible at the lowest cost. They shouldn't be competing to see which one of them can build the largest rock climbing wall. 1) UCLA 2) UC - Berkeley 5) UC - Santa Barbara 7) UC - Irvine 10) UC - Davis 11) UC - San Diego 26) UC - Santa Cruz 35) UC - Riverside 60) San Diego State University 67) UC - Merced https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip-O-matic Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: There are a lot of things to not like about California politics, but I think it's hard to deny that they're ahead of the game when it comes to operating a functional public university system. Below are a list of public universities they have that are in the top 100 best public universities based upon US News and World Reports annual rankings. Akron, Kent, YSU, and Cleveland State should be working together to offer NEO residents the highest level education possible at the lowest cost. They shouldn't be competing to see which one of them can build the largest rock climbing wall. 1) UCLA 2) UC - Berkeley 5) UC - Santa Barbara 7) UC - Irvine 10) UC - Davis 11) UC - San Diego 26) UC - Santa Cruz 35) UC - Riverside 60) San Diego State University 67) UC - Merced https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public The one thing that you have to accept with implementing a California type system is that not everybody gets to be Berkeley or even a UC campus. Schools play a role in an overall system that doesn't allow them to change lanes and start empire building to seek prestige. I don't know whether Ohio is capable of that. They can't even take the simple step of calling OSU the "flagship" when it's as plain as day on the ground and historically. And of course the great irony of that is that OSU hums along above the fray while the schools that have most strongly advocated the spread the peanut butter evenly and let every school determine its own course model are the ones heading off the cliff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, zip-O-matic said: The one thing that you have to accept with implementing a California type system is that not everybody gets to be Berkeley or even a UC campus. Schools play a role in an overall system that doesn't allow them to change lanes and start empire building to seek prestige. I don't know whether Ohio is capable of that. They can't even take the simple step of calling OSU the "flagship" when it's as plain as day on the ground and historically. And of course the great irony of that is that OSU hums along above the fray while the schools that have most strongly advocated the spread the peanut butter evenly and let every school determine its own course model are the ones heading off the cliff. I'm well aware that Akron would become the designated STEM school of NEO. That's fine with me personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip-O-matic Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I'm well aware that Akron would become the designated STEM school of NEO. That's fine with me personally. I think what you'd be looking at is a merger of Kent, Akron and NEO to create a Cincinnati type school. I don't buy into this notion that you can create a "STEM school" that is taken seriously as a national or even regional university. Even MIT and CalTech have respected history and economics departments. If you're truly talking about a California style system, then you're talking about OSU as the flagship of the system, then a tier below that of UC, Ohio U., UA/KSU/NEO and BGSU/UT with regulated grad/professional programs. These schools' role would not be to become OSU any more than it's UC Davis' role to challenge and compete with Berkeley. I'm not sure how you fit in Miami without more thought. The next tier down would be relatively easy admission, campuses with little or no grad programs (YSU, KSU, WSU) and beneath that the community college system. Schools would be funded differently based on their roles in the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Cleveland State is a neighbor, but being in a different athletic conference, it seems we know little about it. What programs are it notable for? How would it fit in with Akron/Kent/YSU/NEO in a more unified state college system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 As Zip-o-matic stated, some university has to serve the purpose of being the school with low admission standards. Perhaps the Akron/Kent school could house some satelite grad school programs there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip-O-matic Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 One aspect of instituting such a system relative to many campuses' enrollment issues, is that you could negotiate with OSU to--in exchange for their recognized flagship role and separate funding model--to put a cap on enrollment. I looked at their numbers for last Fall, and they enrolled 7900! freshman with an average ACT score of 30. On top of that, they're stockpiling hundreds of kids in the 24-27 range at their branch campuses. If they capped that at 6500, that's 1400 very well qualified students who would be looking elsewhere. Some would go out of state, but most I think would end up at another Ohio public. OSU probably doesn't want to do it voluntarily because the 1400 kids at the bottom of their class profile are probably paying full tuition as well as taking up a dorm bed for two years. There'd need to be some kind of incentive to make it work on their end. So they get their clearly designated flagship status and funding model, they get to ramp their selectivity up to Michigan levels, and the rest of the system gets an infusion of over a thousand well qualified kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, zip-O-matic said: One aspect of instituting such a system relative to many campuses' enrollment issues, is that you could negotiate with OSU to--in exchange for their recognized flagship role and separate funding model--to put a cap on enrollment. I looked at their numbers for last Fall, and they enrolled 7900! freshman with an average ACT score of 30. On top of that, they're stockpiling hundreds of kids in the 24-27 range at their branch campuses. If they capped that at 6500, that's 1400 very well qualified students who would be looking elsewhere. Some would go out of state, but most I think would end up at another Ohio public. OSU probably doesn't want to do it voluntarily because the 1400 kids at the bottom of their class profile are probably paying full tuition as well as taking up a dorm bed for two years. There'd need to be some kind of incentive to make it work on their end. So they get their clearly designated flagship status and funding model, they get to ramp their selectivity up to Michigan levels, and the rest of the system gets an infusion of over a thousand well qualified kids. Or just let them expand further and take over one or more of the NEO universities since they have the brand and the bucks. If they ever wanted to solidify their hold on Cleveland/Akron, the opportunity is before them now. Edited March 22, 2019 by ZippyRulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I thank all of you for this discussion. I am/have learned a lot, and it is being discussed in a very civil discourse. Thanks to all posters so far.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip-O-matic Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 10:17 AM, ZippyRulz said: Or just let them expand further and take over one or more of the NEO universities since they have the brand and the bucks. If they ever wanted to solidify their hold on Cleveland/Akron, the opportunity is before them now. I doubt they want to take on management of any of the other schools. Why add that hassle when they don't need to. They're doing fine financially, enrollment-wise, in selectivity and fundraising. Why upset the apple cart? I'd guess that they'd try to influence any reforms to the system to their liking but not take any responsibility to actually step in and save any of the schools....in fact, maybe even try to gain some kind of autonomy from the state for themselves in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesZipFan Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Wow-- this is so much like many of my posts of prior years (usually around this time of year when there's neither football nor BB). I have been a huge advocate for Kent and UA merging proactively before the state mandated it. It makes no sense for these 2 almost twin schools to exist 13 miles apart. None. UA and Kent should merge to create a NEO system, with almost 60K students, a handful of synergistic, world-class programs (liquid crystals and polymers), and a huge alumni base in NEO. And of course, one set of sports programs, administrations, etc, would immediately save more than Akron projected deficit. It's hard to make a comparison to the Cali system-- the UC schools are almost all 'better' than Ohio's best public school (though I think rankings are bunk in general). Ohio schools are more comparable to the Cal State schools. And "below" that is Cal Community College system, which is the largest post secondary ed system in the world by itself (over 2.6 million students on 113 campuses; Cal State, the largest 4 yr system in the US, has nearly 500K students across 31 locations, and UC with 240K students at 9 colleges making up the highest ranked public universities and system in the world). What's happened to UA is simply depressing. Hard to see how it's not in a downward spiral caused by incredibly poor leadership. Proenza was a fantastic president and gave UA a sense direction and movement. The 'Landscape for Learning' was a critical investment-- the campus was a total shithole eyesore and the investment in the campus at least made it passable. I can't even imagine where enrollment would be without that. UA spends over $30 million on athletics and saddles its students with over $1000 annually to support those programs. It's nuts. If the will to merge UA and Kent can't be found, they should at least become completely interconnected and federated, sharing programs and ideally fielding a single football program-- that alone would save nearly $10M a year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 10:42 AM, zip-O-matic said: This is undoubtedly going to feed the element in state government that's long advocated consolidating programs and even campuses and instituting a much more rigid, structured system, Unless that's been the plan all along. Board of Trustees members of public universities are appointed by the governor and approved by the senate. Board of Trustees members are in charge of overseeing administrations and picking new administrations. Anyone following politics in the state of Ohio in regards to public education will have seen this strategy at work. I'm personally split because I love my Akron Zips; however I'm also a huge advocate of significant lowering in the cost of attendance at public Universities for all college students in the state of Ohio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 https://www.crainscleveland.com/education/forty-one-faculty-members-take-early-retirement-university-akron?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 Sept. 18 looms large for faculty arbitration https://www.cleveland.com/education/2020/09/university-of-akron-faculty-union-file-briefs-in-arbitration-over-layoffs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted September 8, 2020 Report Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) On 9/8/2020 at 8:51 AM, ZippyRulz said: Sept. 18 looms large for faculty arbitration https://www.cleveland.com/education/2020/09/university-of-akron-faculty-union-file-briefs-in-arbitration-over-layoffs.html Wow, Scarborough was taken off the list! You'd think that UA would be doing everything they could to get rid of him. He must have BoT or political connections. And it is far past time for Proenza to voluntarily take a more modest salary. While some of his decisions as President have not played out well, I always respected him for being a good leader and having an ambition for UA. Some of those decisions with regard to specific buildings look far too over the top in hindsight, but at the time I don't think they were obviously wrong given the context of timing. For my respect of Proenza to continue, he will need to show continued leadership by sacrificing half or more of his current salary. Edited November 5, 2020 by UAZipster0305 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 The union gambled and lost. Say goodbye to $12,000 severance payments and free tuition for the kids. https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2020/09/18/university-akron-faculty-lose-arbitration-case-67-still-laid-off-union-aaup/5824384002/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 A welcomed change - the sky isn't completely falling for once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Good news: https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/02/10/university-akron-raising-wages-back-pre-pandemic-levels-amid-anticipated-surplus-higher-education/6704856002/?utm_source=morning-roundup&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210211&utm_content=article13-readmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I saw an article not too long ago that Akron is looking to sell or lease some of their building space as they no longer need all this square footage since enrollment is no longer pushing 30k. It seemed like a solid plan to get some of this debt off our books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 16 hours ago, kreed5120 said: I saw an article not too long ago that Akron is looking to sell or lease some of their building space as they no longer need all this square footage since enrollment is no longer pushing 30k. It seemed like a solid plan to get some of this debt off our books. Remember the big "Span the Tracks" push? For everything there is a season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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