74ZIP Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 uh folks..lets check the hyperbole here...as it stands...this game is meaningless on the positive side for the ZIPS...only 1 MAC team goes no matter what...the only things that can happen are bad...a loss...someone gets hurt...PEAY may or may not have a shot at-large...means more to them...doesn't mean they will win but this one is only for the money...by the way..ZIPS last 3 on the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 uh folks..lets check the hyperbole here...as it stands...this game is meaningless on the positive side for the ZIPS...only 1 MAC team goes no matter what...the only things that can happen are bad...a loss...someone gets hurt...PEAY may or may not have a shot at-large...means more to them...doesn't mean they will win but this one is only for the money...by the way..ZIPS last 3 on the road? I agree, almost. This game will not help us in any way to get into the NCAA tournament. That is obvious to everyone here, I hope. What it can do is drum up some excitement for the fans, and get us a bit of publicity. Also, on the basketball side, it can give the team some experience in playing teams with a different style. Playing in the MAC for a long time will get you into a sort of rut, where you only play against certain styles. This game, along with the game at Duquesne will help help prepare the team to play different ways and find new ways to win. Winning the MAC tournament is paramount, but it never hurts to have a little bit of experience playing all sorts of teams, because you never know what type of team you get paired with when the tounament rolls around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 PEAY may or may not have a shot at-large...means more to them... I don't see why would this game mean more to them. Their chances of getting an at-large are worse than ours. Our RPI is better then theirs.The importance of this game for both teams probably lies in the tournament ranking, if it happens. Hopefully both teams win their conferences and make it to the tourney, being ranked 10 and playing #6 VT, creighton, or Indiana is way easier than being ranked 15 and playing Texas A&M, UCLA, or teams from that caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Quade Milum is a very good and exciting player to watch. Even if he comes off the bench, he's a big part of this team. For him to be able to jump a 6'10 in high school, I wouldn't be surprised if he could beat that today. He could probably out jump some of the high jumpers on the track team. This year, Milum is my favorite Zip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 skhorbotly....you are right on the money.The OVC has nobody with a chance to get into the tournament if they do not win their conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 uh folks..lets check the hyperbole here...as it stands...this game is meaningless on the positive side for the ZIPS. I disagree. If we lose, it means we're worse than the top OVC team. That would suck.We need to beat the top OVC team on our own court to validate where we feel the MAC stands amongst the "mid-majors." A loss is a black eye on the MAC. A loss removes all hope for an at-large bid.A convincing win is a big help to our RPI and gives us a chance at an at-large bid should we falter in the MAC finals. It also goes a long way in getting a home NIT game for rounds 1 and maybe 2, should that be where we end up.You want to know where you stand in the mid-major "world," Zips fans? You will find out tomorrow night vs. a very good A-P team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAYNATION! Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 GOVS: 75ZIPS: 73Nice posts Peaynation. I have enjoyed learning about your team through your posts.Stop back here to zipsnation after the game. Always good to hear the "other side's" perspective.Hey, you should be able to place a nice bet on the money line if your final comes in. Hope your a betting man. Anybody want to guess what the spread is going to be? I'm guessing the money line is +350. I will definitely do that, Dr. Z, and promise to be gracious in either victory or defeat. Like I said, I do not know much about the Zips but it is safe to say they have an outstanding basketball team whether they win on Saturday or lose this one contest. This is but two teams passing in the night for a short rendezvous. Losing to Akron will not be a disgrace for Austin Peay if they should lose nor should Akron losing to Austin Peay be a disgrace if Akron should lose despite some of the rhetoric expounded thus far on this board. Austin Peay will be bringing a very good basketball team to Akron and the way they have been playing lately, sometimes downright scary. I'll stand by my pick with the hope that the Govs bring their best to Akron on Saturday.GOVS: 75ZIPS: 73 That homecourt winning stuff has to end sometime but I think it absolutely essential that the Govs come out playing on fire and taking it straight to the Zips on both ends of the court. The Govs cannot treat this Zips team with kid gloves or they will get cold-cocked in the mouth. Peay needs to come out VERY AGGRESSIVE and hope the refs are not MAC refs. I think Roberson, Fields, and Felder have done some great things with their time on the court but the Govs will need Reed and Lockett to stay out of foul trouble (which has not really been a problem for them this year). On the other side, I also think if the Zips come out acting as if the game itself is a foregone conclusion then the Govs will cold-cock them in the teeth. The Zips will also need to be aggressive both on the perimeter and inside. The Zips cannot leave Wright, Shipley, Channels and especially Babbington alone. The Govs shot something like 70% from threeland a few games ago and Wright was 5-5 from the field the other night. Inside, well, Drake Reed is a lot to handle. He's got moves and can take it to the hole or spot up and can score proficiently with either hand. Lockett is also shooting over 50% for the season. I think Lockett should shoot more than he does. What is also essential for the Governors is that they must limit the Zips opportunities to one shot and out. If the Zips controle the offensive boards then this game could get ugly for the Peay. The Zips are apparently good enough without giving them even more opportunity, you know? So, gotta keep the Zips off the glass and crash the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Peay needs to come out VERY AGGRESSIVE and hope the refs are not MAC refs.I think we all hope that. MAC refs are terrible.Here is a fine example for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 That article sounds typical of the refs these days, not only in the MAC and other college sporting events, but also at the youth and high school levels. Had a similar situation happen to my son's team. It's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APGrad Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The Govs have no chance at an at-large berth to th big dance, nor does any other OVC team that does not win the League Tournament, it just does not happen for us.The Peay is guarenteed a NIT bid now that we have won the regular season championship, a new rule/invite that the new NIT has created for schools that win the regular season crown, but do not win there league's tournament (perfect example: the 2004 Govs went 16-0 in the regular season, but lost in the Championship game, and did not make the big dance).As for predictions, I like my Govs chances, not as a homer, but in Match-ups. It all starts and ends for this team on the Defensive end. With Dials, Middleton, and Joyce, size-wise we match up, and I think the quickness advantage may go to the Zips, but there is just something about this team that they play great team defense, very active hands, help side when needed, sprining a double team out of no where at times, I like our chances out front.Front line scares me to death. The Zips have a size advatage with Travis, but if we can get him out of the paint to defend, I like our quickness advantage there. Reed and Lockett are both good off the dribble, and the both have something going for them that is almost lost in today's game, the mid range (12-17 feet) jump shot. In today's game, the big men will let others just take that shot, almost unguarded, and if you give that to them, they can wear you out!If the Govs can defend the big man, and rebound, I will take the Govs in a close one.APSU 71Akron 66Let's Go Peay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzijeff Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Well, if you put any faith in Sagrin rankings:Akron Rating: 81.01, Schedule rank 236Peay Rating: 72.84, Schedule rank 278Home team gets 4.07 point adanvatge.Thus:Akron 85Peay 73The JAR is good for at least 4 points advantage.After personally watching the Zips dismantle Ohio U and get jobbed by the WAC refs in the Nevada game, and watching Cedric drop 25 on Can't off the bench, I really can't see them losing at home. Tuesday, they could have beaten just about anybody at home, they played that good. No more giving up leads like they have. Akron did everything better than Nevada except FT shooting. And that was before Jeremiah Wood came into form. Sorry Peay, you're no Nevada. Akron wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAYNATION! Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 That article sounds typical of the refs these days, not only in the MAC and other college sporting events, but also at the youth and high school levels. Had a similar situation happen to my son's team. It's ridiculous. I think MAC refs must also work OVC games too then. One thing I will say about OVC officials is that they are at least consistently bad on both sides so it usually evens out. We always get to witness some really head scratching type calls though. I wouldn't be surprised to someday see an OVC basketball ref call 'off sides' and assess a five yard penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAYNATION! Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The Govs have no chance at an at-large berth to th big dance, nor does any other OVC team that does not win the League Tournament, it just does not happen for us.The Peay is guarenteed a NIT bid now that we have won the regular season championship, a new rule/invite that the new NIT has created for schools that win the regular season crown, but do not win there league's tournament (perfect example: the 2004 Govs went 16-0 in the regular season, but lost in the Championship game, and did not make the big dance).As for predictions, I like my Govs chances, not as a homer, but in Match-ups. It all starts and ends for this team on the Defensive end. With Dials, Middleton, and Joyce, size-wise we match up, and I think the quickness advantage may go to the Zips, but there is just something about this team that they play great team defense, very active hands, help side when needed, sprining a double team out of no where at times, I like our chances out front.Front line scares me to death. The Zips have a size advatage with Travis, but if we can get him out of the paint to defend, I like our quickness advantage there. Reed and Lockett are both good off the dribble, and the both have something going for them that is almost lost in today's game, the mid range (12-17 feet) jump shot. In today's game, the big men will let others just take that shot, almost unguarded, and if you give that to them, they can wear you out!If the Govs can defend the big man, and rebound, I will take the Govs in a close one.APSU 71Akron 66Let's Go Peay! That is a very nice assessment, APGrad and the line about double teams seemingly coming out of nowhere is quite true. I am reminded about the play-by-play during the TSU game where the P-team said several times that big boy, Clarence Matthews, was simply confounded when he got the ball. The govs doubled him down low and he had no idea from where it was coming or what to do with the ball. Not a bad job against a guy who went off on us last year in one game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA ALUM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think skip-zip was misunderstood... Quade is a 6'-7" F who can high jump 6'-10". There is a reason the Zips lead the conference in blocked shots (and it's not just Quade).As for quickness, Middleton will be blowing by your G on his way to the hoop for an easy layup.And Dru will NOT have the ball stripped as often as you think. He's a very smart PG who's assist/turnover ratio is one of the best. IT HAD to be mis-understood....a 6' 10 HIGH jumper ..means his feet cleared 6 ft 10 INCHES.....and THEN his body did...how far do you think HIS elbows would be OVER the rim when able to jum[ THAT high????AND....Quad is NOT the only leaper...or the ONLY blocker...OR the ONLY rebounder...HECK..he doesnt even start....he is either the 6th or 7th man depeneding on needs and fouls....Dru Joyce is a terriffic ball handler...dont quote me..but his steals to turnover ratio is something like 93 steals to something like 32 turnovers....PLEASE someone out there has that CORRECT stat....yet even with that Middleton is even quicker...when he decides he is going to the hoop...look out...lock up your babies and cover the ladies eyes because he WILL be streakin....and..he is also NOT even a starter....PEAY should worry about the CRUSH BROTHERS of WOODS and TRAVIS on the boards.....as for outside shotting there are aat least 5 steady 3 point shotters....Akron uses this to open up the inside game..and if PEAY doesnt comt out to gueard them...it will be raining 3's...if they DO come out...SLAM SLAM SLAM with the right hand...BUT...I know nothing about PEAY and would be pressed to make a prediction...I just find it hard to believe that Peay could beat us in AKRON...or ANYWHERE by simply knowing the conf. they play in. THAT would be my only guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA ALUM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Im sorry..i MEANT 93 assists to 32 turnovers OPPS...someone MUST have THAT stat around..WHAT is IT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 One part of Akron's game that worries me is getting pressed in the back court and turning the ball over.They have done a very poor job of that this year IMHO. Peay guys, does your team press well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdZip Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Per Gozips.com: Joyce maintains a team-best 4.5 apg (third in MAC) and 2.4 assist-turnover ratio (first in MAC) (108 assists compared to 45 turnovers). I agree on the pressing woes. We seem confused when that happens, and inevitably lob a weak pass that gets intercepted. And we do it two or three times in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzijeff Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 One part of Akron's game that worries me is getting pressed in the back court and turning the ball over.They have done a very poor job of that this year IMHO. Peay guys, does your team press well? Actually, in the OU game, they did a much better job at passing out of the press than previous efforts. Also, OU's attempts at a pick and roll game to generate open shots on the perimeter FAILED miserably against Middleton, Joyce and Dials. The UA gaurds just have too much court awareness and quickness to nailed by a pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAYNATION! Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 One part of Akron's game that worries me is getting pressed in the back court and turning the ball over.They have done a very poor job of that this year IMHO. Peay guys, does your team press well?Dr. Z, Perhaps one of the other Peay posters could answer this more accurately than I can but it does not seem that Austin Peay has utilized the press nearly as much as in year's past. This year's team is different in several respects both offensively and defensively. If the Zips have had trouble with the press then I'm sure it is in the scouting report and the Zips will probably see it but I have not really seen the press used to any great degree this year as opposed to year's past. I have seen them use it and with success such as the first meeting with Murray State. Defensively, the Govs like to play man to man and in year's past pressed quite a bit and played exclusively man in the halfcourt. This year we have seen more zone and mixing up of defensive schemes which has caused some problems for opposing teams. I am thinking the Govs will not use much zone (or any) in this contest knowing that the Zips have some really good shooters excepting maybe if the Zips are hurting the Govs in the paint. This defense can be outstanding and the defense has completely changed some ballgames around. "Mad dog defense" is how one Gov poster described it and when they rachet up the pressure then it is very aggressive and very intense. Yet, it is also very disciplined. The defense has gotten better as the season has progressed (well, everything has gotten better) and there has been a lapse or two along the way but, overall, it is mostly just a very good defensive unit that has not used that much backcourt pressure in comparison to year's past. But if the Zips have had trouble with it then they may press for 40 minutes if it brings results. Loos is a wiley he-devil and is apt to try all manner of poisons. The 03-04 team was arguably the best defensive team the Govs ever had or close to it but they could seemingly only score offensively in spurts. Every trip down court was a new adventure but they won games because the opponents scored so few points. This year's team is very balanced offensively and has weapons inside and outside. I like the fact that we have a good defense and can also score. The difference in offense from the beginning of the season to present is like night and day. Then again, it is not even the same starting lineup as Coach Loos found success starting a smaller lineup and found a good rotation. The Govs had a few games where they turned the ball over over 20 times early in the season but those types of errors have been cut drastically. DJ Wright has greatly matured as the floor General and is doing everything well - making good decisions, protecting the ball and knowing what to do with it.Here is a link to team and individual OVC stats for those who like numbers:OVC statistical leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Well...my guess of Akron (-12) was close...vegas line opens at Akron (-15). Anyone that thinks AP can win in the JAR and is willing to wager on it would get paid about 3.2:1 if betting the moneyline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unZIPped Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Can someone post the link again to Austin Peay's message board? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peayYman Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 www.peaymania.comcome visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAYNATION! Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Can someone post the link again to Austin Peay's message board? Thank you! Here is the gameday article about the game in today's Clarksville Leaf Chronicle. Uhm, nothing really revelatory or spectacular about the article but if you are interested then here it is:Govs/Zips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Can someone post the link again to Austin Peay's message board? Thank you!Here is the gameday article about the game in today's Clarksville Leaf Chronicle. Uhm, nothing really revelatory or spectacular about the article but if you are interested then here it is:Govs/ZipsI've never really thought of it yet this way, but the article does bring out the fact that the MAC and OVC can earn a little street cred by all of their teams doing well in the Bracketbuster.And likewise, we'll see how the MAC and OVC compare with the best of each conference playing each other....sorry Toledo and Can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaygolf89 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 GO PEAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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