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What are you talking about?I didn't see anything in his post and his generalizations about liberals that I would disagree with. It's the reason why I, a libertarian, sometimes find neo-cons the lesser of two evils, which is really really odd, but in this day and age, many so-called liberals really are big-government socialists!But he didn't call liberals mama's ugly. He was speaking in a non-personal way.If you chose to take it personal by association, that's your problem, because you don't need to. If you disagree with his generalizations, just say so. I don't see the need to accuse him of foul play. I disagree that there is.Wow, where to begin? You lambast Bow Down for denigrating Dr Proeza, with a severe reprimand about having no respect for anyone other than their own kind... while your entire post is a sadly derivative screed about liberals; whom I guess are not "your own kind". Your self righteousness is hysterical, your "research" culled no doubt from hours listening to right wing talk/scream hosts.Strickland and Fingerhut are a pair of flaming Liberals (some times referred to asCommunists). Strickland's plan reeks of uber control. Cut the free marketeconomy off at the knees. Communists and arch-Liberals always seek to over control anything they can get theirpaws on. This is just another example of a power grab. If there are nine PhD programsin Ohio it is obvious that school administrators would decide on their own that theirinstitution is not or is succeeding with that program. The market will easily determinehow many PhD programs in history the state school system will support. -
In other words, lock in and protect one university with it's current set of programs resources.You couldn't be any more freaking obvious.This will hurt the hundreds of thousands of lower income students the most, who will now have to reside at universities on the other side of the state, instead of commuting to local schools.It will hurt part-time students who need to work while they attend because they are paying their own way or already have a job or career and decided to go back to school.It will force those students to pay the tuition rates of the one school that offers a program in the degree that they seek, regardless of the fact that if there were competition, a smaller University may have cost them less. It will force those students who didn't meet the qualifications of the only school that offered their degree or their program to sit out because that school filled it's quotas and could not take more students, even though there COULD have been other universities in the state that offered the degree/program, but those programs/degrees were wiped out by government-knows-best types.It means a student may have to attend a university that doesn't match their personality, such as being forced to go to Toledo or Ohio U or Miami when all they wanted to do was go to Akron, or perhaps even Ohio State. No choice makes a whole lot of sense. :rolleyes:Just freaking great. This isn't better for the consumer by any stretch.
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Okay then, no more midgets.You must concede that all Universities in the state should then be turned into equal sized non-midgets. OSU should have to give up a lot of it's programs, and many of the smaller Universities should get new ones, and the state can pay each one equally for their equal number of programs.If you don't agree to this, then you are obviously using this program to protect Ohio State from the growing 'midgets', because you obviously do not want to create a "system" of universities for the betterment of the state.12 bitter midgets grabbing at our ankles and preventing us from properly carrying out our role.Ohio State isn't afraid of competition, but its competition is not within the state. -
By your logic, Harvard, Yale, and Brown University should all stop competing with each other. Look how close they are. Its rediculous. You cannot honestly address issue on the merits of your own argument. It's blatantly obvious. You want to strip the competition from the Universities in this state in order to protect one of them.If you honestly support what you have proposed, then you should allow for the even and equal distribution of resources and degree granting programs to all of the universities.
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In fact, I was just thinking, I have an even better question that will get to the bottom of the true motivations of this whole caper:Would you be satisfied if every major university had an equal share of the programs and state resources?In other words, every university would get equal funding. Every university would have an equal number of undergraduate programs, and an equal number of Ph.D programs?Ohio State would have to give up a LOT for this program, but it would be for the greater good of the consumers and the state, would it not?
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OMG, you are soooo right. Market forces be DAMNED!For that matter, lets pass laws so that only one restaurant for 25 miles can serve steaks! I'm sure the prices for steak will go DOWN DOWN DOWN! And with all that lack of competition, I'm sure they will work just as hard to make sure those steaks are sizzlin good! YumThis has NOTHING to do with the consumer, and everything to do with consolidating resources for one school and protecting them from the other growing universities in the state. If that isn't evident, let me just ask a question. Why, you, who so obviously are in the court of the university which you have nicknamed "the flagship" so for this, if it doesn't benefit "the flagship"? After debating politics for years, I am quite adept at recognizing 'justifications' and 'rationalizations' of people's positions, so don't repeat the whole "Its better for everyone" bullshit again. Its obvious you are so intent on this whole thing that you would sign up here just to propagandize the hell out of it, and I must ask WHY? Why is it so important to you, if your school is so great and such a "flagship" if it's not to protect it from competition?Do you really think that such a competitve system is good? That funding 9 history Ph.D programs is proper when Ohio can't properly fund undergraduate education to the point that it's subsequently ranked 47th among the states for affordable college tuiton? -
Wow, so what you are saying is, let's just pack it in. Right?Give up and bow down to cowtown U!And here, we were talking (in another thread) how Akron Mayor is worried about his future relevance in this city, when it looks like his fears may be correct, because all you gotta do is look at Cowlumbus. Not only is that school affecting the politics of the city, they obviously have designs on squashing competition from the rest of the state.What are you guys afraid of?Not only is fungerhut an "anti-competition" nutjob, but now Strickland too.
Please. The man's a clown.I can't imagine a better leader for UA than Dr. Proenza! Here's to hoping that he stays with the University for another 5+ years...
In one minute, he arrogantly boasts about "setting the pace" for the Governor's higher education system and in the next takes a childish cheap shot at the university that Strickland and Fingerhut have already formally designated as the system's "flagship." Considering that Fingerhut personally helped recruit Gordon Gee to leave Vanderbilt and take a 300K paycut to come back to Ohio State, who do you think is going to "set the pace" on these changes?Proenza represents the tired and failed higher education policies of the Jim Rhodes era where every university felt free to try and turn itself into a mini-Ohio State. That's why Ohio funds 9 Ph.D programs in history (despite 6 of them being ranked in the bottom third nationally), why Ohio funds 5 law schools (despite being a huge annual net exporter of law school graduates), why Ohio funds 6 medical schools (more than California). While Ohio State has pretty much laid those policies to rest over the last quarter century, their last, lingering vestiges are about to formally be snuffed out by Ted Strickland and Eric Fingerhut.Akron is not, nor will it ever be, Ohio State. Care to compare undergraduate admissions? Undergraduate rankings? Association of American Universities membership? Graduate rankings? indicators of faculty quality such as National Academy members and Guggenheim Fellows? Proenza can spout his delusional "no quality differences" schtick all he wants, but he only makes himself look foolish. -
can we go back to bashing Can't? There isn't as much crow involved in that
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I have no problem covering the pro sports teams twenty odd miles to the north.I have no problem with a writer who only covers pro sports teams.But I agree, it's beyond negligent to poorly and scarcely cover the local University, you'd virtually have to consciously conspire not to.Terry Pluto leaving the ABJ could help us solidify our own identity as a bonafide college town. We need a featue sports writer who's primary passion is for Akron and The UA. Not the Cleveland Browns. Not the Cleveland Indians. Not the Cleveland Cavaliers. Hopefully this move will help solidify more coverage of OUR team! -
Lets see what happens on game day. If the primo seats are sparse, then you are right. But even if they are, I can still get in the heads of the people who run the Patriot bowl, and I know they wont care. Akron (and for that matter, Army) season ticket holders already paid for their tickets, and the patriot bowl gains nothing from them except concession sales. Why take away the chance to sell expensive seats to others, even if it means only half of them have sold?
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little joey likes to stir the pot
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wait... if you are a season ticket holder (for the UofA) and this isnt' a UA home game, then obviously they aren't going to throw us in the best seats. They just don't think like that. Why should we give away sold seats when we can sell them?
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Nothing against Don in particular, but in general, perhaps this is what happens when you have someone installed in power for decades.
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lol, what did you expect?"Oh noez! Akron is coming! Run for your lives! Save yourselves!"It wasn't too bad. I actually think that he wasn't trying for backhanded compliments. I think his motive was to try to make the game seem slightly more interesting to OSU fans than just "ho hum, a MAC team..."
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thanx, but they wouldn't like because it doesn't have the gold in it, but I think since 'mech-roo' would be like a character offshoot of zippy (distinct, obviously), and perhaps having more masculine and perhaps darker qualities, it doesn't need the gold.Red eyes? As in terminator?
I like Zen's too!it's alright.I think they should use my mech-roo design though.
Cyberdine systems z-1000 mech-roo
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lol, I mean, WTH, we got NFL quality indoor practice facility.... :PI don't see it happening, unless fawcett is physically unable to host a game.
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kron-domeI think we need a leap-of-faith somewhere in this process.I mean, we are hoping to have a long string of winning seasonsand we are hoping for attendance to pick up and stay up each seasonand if any link in those years breaks, the whole chain breaks, and you start over.This basically means, no arena.No arena without a leap of faith.The University and the City have to put faith in "build it and they will come".It's a tough one. I dunno if I would wanna sink my loot into it, but that's the beauty of public money.Anyway, I think attendance at the new football stadium will be a good clue.
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fill it in *shrugs*The Rubber Bowl can't be completely torn down without compromising the structural integrity of the hill it was built into. In fact, the reason it was built is to hiold up the hill for the Derby Downs. The road above the stadium would collapse, the Derby Downs would be destroyed, and a whole mess of problems would be created. It is a serious problem. It would take the combined might of all the Engineering students and professors to figure out how to bring it down safely without anything else coming down with it. -
it's alright.I think they should use my mech-roo design though.
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As someone who used to lift weights in the hot humid air behind the bleachers in the natatorium using sweaty rusty iron weights, that new rec-fitness center makes me extremely jealous.
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I disagreed when this topic came up last time, and I still do.Why should I go to Miami for engineering?I heard akron has a pretty damned good engineering school as well. In particular, I've heard a good stuff regarding the automotive realm of engineering. I don't know specifics about it, but I ask again, why should I have to go to Miami?But more important then that, I believe very very strongly in competition. It may not happen immediately, but programs that have no competition in the state will grow complacent. They will not have to worry about performance or losing students to competing schools with competing programs, and they wont have to worry about losing state funds.(a Miami grad) would tell me about Miami's great Enginnering program....
........ ........it was PAPER Engineering. With the digital age upon us, does it not make sense to let each university utilize it's strength to lower the overall cost? For example, Akron could be the center of Polymers for the state. -
Are you nuts?If I was the owner of those places, I wouldn't want to have to face 'clientèle' that knew my greedy ass practically put the kibosh on their's new stadium and dorms.It looks as if UA might be able to build the stadium with The Odd Corner and the Sun still in place. Sure, this would put the skids on the front gate, but I'm sure the other gates can be used in place of the main gate. Does anyone know if this is the case? It seems to me to be a pretty big gamble to start building a stadium with the possability of not being acquire all the land.
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bahahahah! Just because you suck at lobbying........Can't? The moral highground? riiiighhtCan't State has traditionally regarded lobbying as a dirty business in which educators should not soil their hands and has a mixed record on working the Ohio legislature -
er..... tread long and prosper?
Strickland's message to UA
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Still, even if you vehamently disagree, it wasn't name calling. It may have been inaccurate, and it may have even been wrong, but you seem to me to be using the whole righteous indignation to attack someone's opinion.As I said, if you disagree, say so. You were not attacked.