Skip, I know where you are coming from. I'm not a Browns fan, but if my team plays on Monday night, Sunday night or has a buy week, and the Browns play a Sunday 1pm game, I used to go to the Browns games. I gave that up this year for the same reason. I did have fun watching the Browns at Jacksonville this year though. Jax fans are cool. I don't think Ken+ fans are that obnoxious, but I do hate being squeezed into my seat in that stinking gym though. The smell alone is enough to keep me away.