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It's all about money and football. Hence,
Can't State
- 2nd lowest overall athletic/football budget.
- Worst football facilities in the MAC(or at least close)
- A president who could care less about Division 1 football(this is according to the Can't bbs board....so who really knows)
- It's Can't state for crying out loud. Their most popular major is fashion design. Do you really think that they can build a culture of rabid football fans?
- Abysmal fan support*
- crappy football team*
- no recent history of success in football*
*Note: If Ianello is another flop then Akron will be in the same boat as Can't. A crappy football program with no history. Fortunately, Akron has a few things that Can't doesn't; a brand new stadium/IPF and a president who sees the significance of FBS football.
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Forget football attendance! Let's talk futbol!
Akron's 2009 average attendance(2,137) was seventh in the nation.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_soc...2010/attend.pdf
Here's to cracking the top 5 in 2010!
Go zips!
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Looks like I'll be playing NCAA '08 again.
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So maybe we need to "drop" to FCS then?
We don't need the casual Cleveland sports fan to average 20,000 at the Info. If we can manage a consistent MAC championship caliber program(see Central Michigan recently) then our attendance will work itself out. We just can't keep losing the way we have. Something has to give soon or this program might never shape up.
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Agreed. And playing solid football for quite a few years too. One or two years of success won't cut it.
Yup. And it's yet to be seen that the Cleveland area will even follow an Akron team. Obviously, if we crack the top 25 we could probably sell out a few games against major opponents BUT with our budget that kind of success isn't going to happen year in, year out. Not to mention we play in the MAC, where "major" opponents are a little tougher to come by.
Not to get too ahead of myself, I'd like to see us compete for a MAC championship first.
At the very least, that kind of success might awaken our alumni and city from their seemingly eternal slumber. -
Hostess outlet store near UA closing Saturday.
http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/96482244.html
'The University of Akron has long been interested in acquiring the bakery land for development. -
Can I vote for tailgating at the Rubber Bowl, but playing our games at Info?
Not only can you vote for it, just like last year, you can still do it next season.
I would pay someone to do that next season.
No I wouldn't. But it would be incredibly funny to drive by and just see some guy grilling out by himself in front of the rubber bowl.
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Championship in the Info just as good!
Nay, better.
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Yep, someone needs to get on top of this quickly. Every time I visit ZN.O now, my Microsoft Security Essentials pops up a severe threat warning that the JS/Decdec.A virus has been detected and needs to be immediately removed. ZN.O is apparently planting a malicious code in the browser cache.
Joy. Both last night and this morning my browser(firefox) crashed the second I clicked "main forums page" on ZNO's homepage.
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That hasn't happened to me but for whatever reason the past couple days my browser has been magnifying the screen whenever I go on ZNO. It's hard to explain but everything looks a little blurry. Perhaps this is related? BTW, it can't be my user controls because it does it when I'm not signed in but just browsing the site. I haven't experienced this issue with any other site.
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Hmmm......at least now I know which prognosticators to ignore..or at least seriously question. ;-)
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A little late, but...
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/sports/sports_...Can't-state
The University of Akron has clearly passed Can't State in terms of facilities. The MAC center was great right after World War II, when it was built. I am assuming. In the 80s, they got rid of diving team so they could expand the gym and build those great glass boxes to watch basketball games. Seriously what were they thinking? Sitting inside a glassed-in room to watch an indoor game?But let's go back to Akron -- Infocision Stadium is going to carry Akron right out of the Mid-American Conference, when the Big Ten becomes the Big 14 or 16. Akron's going to have a chance to jump somewhere. Believe it. Why? Because they care about sports. They are considered with image. While Can't State was worried about being called Can't State or Can't or Can't University, the Zips have had a plan and are moving forward. Can't State is chasing its own tail.
High praise from a Can't State alum.
edit: it appears the Can't--->cant messed up the link.
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I think Texas and everyone else is at the point where they don't really care what anyone thinks.
I think it has more to do with the Texas state legislature being pissed about a possible UT/A&M split. If A&M leaves for the SEC then UT has an excuse to join the PAC. Remember, UT specifically said that they would only join the new big 12 if all ten teams join(that's southern math for ya).
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Looks like Texas may be staying in the Big 12....Big 10..whatever, to get their $20 million in TV revenue.....errrrr, I mean, to preserve the integrity of college football. The NCAA is absolutely laughable.
How much is that MAC TV contract worth again? How do we compete at the BCS level again?
Texas will only stay if A&M decides to stick it out with the Big 12(whatever). Why would they? A&M will finally be freed from the shadow of big brother and have an equal share of the dough in a much better football conference. Texas knows this and is probably banking on A&M backing out of this 'new' Big 12.
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Latest word, Texas A&M is staying in the Big 12, as will Texas who wants to start their own cable station. You can't do that in the Pac 10.
Rumor has the Big 12 surviving, and picking up TCU as a replacement.
With the B12 surviving and the Big Ten reportedly done expanding, it sounds like the mega-conference scheme is dead.
Everything depends on A&M now. If A&M heads to the SEC then forget it.
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Would that not be sweet. We can dream, right?
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If the Big 12 implodes, which it probably will, Missouri is the team that gets screwed. They have got nowhere to go.
I don't know about Missouri but Iowa State will need a home.
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One thing not brought up with so many schools in so little space is the spread of available talent. By lopping off 2 or 4 schools into FCS, the rest will have a bigger local talent pool to draw from.
Exactly. That's one of the reasons having so many FBS teams in Ohio is unsustainable. I don't see that as a reason for Akron to drop to FCS. Proenza didn't build a stadium to watch FCS games.
If/when the mega-conferences come about, you're going to be playing the same caliber of opponents either way. Do the fans care whether we play Northern Iowa or Northern Illinois? Using my well worn baseball analogy, do Aeros fans care whether they play Reading or Lehigh Valley? They win, they have a comfortable park with good food that's inexpensive, and the kids can get a new glove or jersey and get it signed by Orbit or the left fielder.A lot of this depends on how the realignment works out.
Once again, do you think Dr. Proenza pushed for a 30,000 seat stadium for FCS football? There is no way in hell we drop to FCS without being forced. The key word there is forced.
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The presidents voted unanimously to approve Nebraska. The statement that they were pissed is a little dubious to me.
You're right. I'm not sure where I got that information. I could have sworn I read that somewhere--I must be spending too much time around Airport KC on the MAC forums.
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Hmmm...interesting analysis. I will pose these questions.
1) Ask someone from out of state who historically has a better Football Team BG or Akron? I think the answer will come back BG. They have had some pretty solid years and even gotten to some bowl games in years when they weren't so good. I don't see them going without a fight.
2) Ask the average Joe in Cleveland to name local colleges. I bet quite a few of them would put Can't before Akron. I also suspect that if you asked who had a better athletic program, the responses would be close to even (with Can't possibly winning). They had a pretty good run in BB a few years back and anyone who follows them will know about their successes in sports other than Football.
I say this because in observing the local news (TV and Radio) Can't gets a lot of play. UA gets it's fair share as well, much more that what we used to get, but right now I'd call it an even split. Lets face it, our FB team hasn't been very good. We've got good facilities but the reshuffle is going down NOW! We can't wait another 5 years to get good if teams are going to get pushed out in the near future. Even with a shiny new stadium, people want to watch a winnner, and I don't think we really put a scare into any FBS teams at this point.
Although much of that is debatable you still make some good points. Something that I want to make clear is that my decisions were based largely on how much money each school is spending on football. The history of each program wasn't weighted much because even the most storied MAC programs have very little reputation among the casual football fan--especially out of state.
In conference expansions it's obvious that winners are preferred. But currently the differences in the on-the-field product are so minimal among Ohio MAC schools that history is somewhat irrelevant. As you said, the conference realignment is now. What are you doing right now? Well, Ohio is the only MAC school that I listed that had marginal football success last year. Marginal because they lost the Pizza Pizza bowl.
Competitively, the schools that I compared are about even. Facilities(and it's affect upon recruiting) along with football budgets are the deciding factor for what the future will look like. K-ent and BG are the bottom rung in both of those departments.
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What was the "'squeeze out' affect that UC created in the SW region"?
Northern Kentucky women often have troubles "squeezing" in and out of their tube tops. UC created a lubricant for that purpose. I have also heard that it's a hot item in Huntington, WV.
p.s: I elaborated a little bit in the earlier post.
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It's Saturday morning and the world cup pregame isn't on for an hour. Here's how I wasted my time:
With a population of 11,542,645 Ohio is the seventh largest state in the US. It has a total of eight football teams competing at the FBS level. The only state with more FBS teams is Texas(10). Texas also has twice the population. For comparison, Pennsylvania has roughly 1 million more people than Ohio, but only three FBS teams. This combined with Ohio's slow growth rate(yes, contrary to popular belief Ohio IS growing) makes it apparent that having eight FBS schools in Ohio is unsustainable. With the current conference shakeup it's not hard to imagine that some of these schools might drop down to FCS or D-II. But who?
Much to the dismay of most MAC fans Ohio State is here to stay. Cincinnati has found a comfortable spot as Ohio's second fiddle. They are safe as well.
Now the hard part. The MAC.
Akron, Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio, Can't State, and Miami. Who gets the axe? Obviously there is no real answer to this question- it's subjective. Almost all of these schools have a long history of division 1 football. Those that don't have much history have made up for it by pumping tons of money into their program. That said, when they play similarly(read: crappy) they draw about the same number of fans. So there's not very much separation in terms of fan following.
So to evaluate each school objectively it's going to require some sort of common form of exchange that documents the willingness of each school to stay in FBS. In other words, money.
All of my data came from this site. Just type in the school of interest and boom, you get everything. I believe that most of this is from 2008-09.
So in my (bored)mind, there's only three ways to rank each of these schools: Football expenses, Football Facilities, and location. For location the main question is If ____ cracked the top 25, would people go to watch? Here's my breakdown:
Akron
Football Expenses= $4,788,604(rank: 4 of 6)
Football Facilities= Best in the conference. State of the art stadium and indoor practice facility.
Location: The heart of one the 20 largest metro areas in the country. The Cleveland/Akron area has a population of over 2 million. There isn't a single major college football team located in the region. Think Cincinnati before the Big East.
If Akron cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch? Most definitely. This area of the state has been feeding off a team in Columbus for years because there hasn't been a proven winner...ever. They might be fair weather but they would show.
Bowling Green
Football Expenses= $4,197,503(rank 6 of 6)
Football Facilities= Mediocre at best. There is the Perry field house, a 127,000 square foot multi-use facility with a turf practice field. It was built in 1993. On the other hand, Doyt-Perry field underwent renovations in 2007 that reduced it's capacity from 30,599 to 23,724.
Location: Close to Toledo, but located in a rural college town with a small population. With UT in town, I don't really see BG grabbing the Toledo market anytime soon. Also, the entire NW Ohio region only contains 1,639,144 people. This makes it smaller than other regions of Ohio.
If Bowling Green cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch? Yes, but the smaller population of NW Ohio is a set back. Besides, I again feel that Toledo has a much better chance of taking this market than BG. Why drive all the way to rural Ohio when there is a strong team right down the street from downtown. BG is going to have rely on their alumni fan base. And being one of the smaller schools in the conference with a shrinking enrollment that's not going to work to their advantage.
Toledo
Football Expenses= $5,857,513 (rank: 2 of 6)
Football Facilities= Top of the conference. Their stadium is not quite as new as Akron's but certainly on par. And as far as I know Toledo broke ground on a brand new IPF last year. I'd imagine that's finished by now.
Location= Probably the second best market for a MAC team. Although NW Ohio is much less populated than NE Ohio, there is still a large number of people without a major football team. Once again, think UC before the Big East. According to Toledo posters, the Detroit market is there for the taking as well. I find that one to be a stretch but who really knows?
If Toledo cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch? Yes, for the same reasons NEO would watch Akron. There are a number of similarities between both schools. It's also important to remember that Toledo has already had success in the past. They have proven that they can sell out their stadium.
Ohio
Football Expenses=$5,869,228(rank: 1 of 6)
Football Facilities= Peden is above average. It's capacity is 24,000 and they still don't have an IPF. Their football facilities are average overall.
Location= Worst location of any school in this group. They are located in the hills of Appalachia with the nearest large city being over an hour away(and completely saturated with Buckeye madness). Like BG, they will need to rely on their alumni, who are actually pretty supportive. The alumni support can make up for the lack of population but it drastically lowers their programs ceiling.
If Ohio cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch? Yeah, definitely. The have a strong alumni following for a MAC school but they will still hit a ceiling before other urban Ohio schools(UC, UA, UT).
Miami
Football Expenses=$5,356,706 (rank 3 of 6)
Football Facilities=Yager stadium seats 24,286 and is similar to Ohio's Peden in that it's historical but outdated. As far as I can tell, they don't have an IPF. They do have a 'student athlete development center' with weight rooms and so on. Overall I'd consider their facilities average.
Location=SW Ohio, which is very populated but already taken by other BCS schools. Unlike the rest of Ohio, Miami has to compete with both Ohio State and UC.
If Miami cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch?Sure, especially when they are so close to Cincinnati. They are in a better situation than Ohio in that sense. But they couldn't routinely attract casual fans due to competition from UC.
Can't State
Football Expenses=$4,203,789 (rank 5 of 6)
Football Facilities=Poor. Perhaps the worst in the group. No IPF. A stadium that's seen upgrades similar to Bowling Green: In 2002, seating was reduced from 30,520 to 29,287. In 2008 capacity was again reduced to 25,000.
Location=This could be Can't's saving grace. As a suburb of Akron, Can't is also in the Cleveland/Akron metro. But with the dwindling support of the football team(monetarily and in the stands) I don't see Can't with any plans to capitalize on this.
If Can't cracked the top 25, would many people go to watch?Definitely, but the support from the university just isn't there. None of the schools listed here are currently very good(certainly not BCS busters) but most of them have continued support from the University. Can't State does not. They have been in "FBS" much longer than their neighbor Akron, and have amounted very few
winning season since 1980.
My final decision?
Can't and BG drop and end the overlap between NE and NW programs. They have the weakest university support and the weakest facilities. K-ent's drop would go much smoother than BG. Bowling Green alumni would probably through a fit at first. In reality, if neither team drops to FCS or D-II on their own it's very likely that Akron and Toledo will join a C-USA type conference and repeat the 'squeeze out' affect that UC created in the SW region. In other words, Akron and Toledo will start winning with the increased resources that a larger conference offers. In the process, you will see BG and Can't State take on a secondary role in their region.
If this happens, then Ohio will have one FBS team in every region of the state. Still too many? Yes.
Of course, all of this is meaningless if the BCS mega conferences push the entire MAC into FCS. Then again, this post is meaningless regardless. Just speculation. Any opinions?
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I wouldn't be stunned if Temple was courted by the Big Ten. On the surface I know that brings a big question mark but when you think about it that would open up the Philadelphia TV market, create a natural rival for Penn State, and add a very solid basketball program to the "we're not football only" Big Ten mix.
I suppose anything is possible. But that seems pretty outlandish at this point.
Also, if West Virginia was to move then why the SEC? That seems like a better Big Ten fit as well.Big 10 presidents were pissed after they added Nebraska. They felt their academics were too weak. Sorry, but WVU doesn't bring the academics to the table.
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k.su sucks,
What is the difference between "2009 Men's Hoops" and "2009 Men's Basketball". I thought they were one and the same, but according to your signature, they are not =.
LOL. Did I mention in my earlier post that I'm one of the ZNO members who knows nothing!
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Edit: Sorry about the link. Just go to www.presnapread.com and scroll down the right hand side of the page. Can't State is listed at #99.