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Yeah, no negativity allowed here. It's been a great experience.

Maybe embarrassed (again) is a better description.

On his TV show Coach D said that they are supporting AA and are not turning their back on him. He said if anybody knows about making a mistake and getting a second chance it is him. So if there were any way the U allows him to stay there, and eligibility to play, KD will welcome him back.

I was just saying I remember it. And the Tuesday thing was just a dig at the extremes the Junior I-A conferences go to to get some pub. The Tuesdays don't work, nor does putting the best teams against the worst during the conference season (the coaches quit, and you get smoked in the BCS bowl anyhow). I am the one saying we should drop to I-AA so we can contend with our budget, and have a snowball's chance in hell of making the playoffs if the program makes something of itself. A tweener division might be better. And your idea of putting football in the spring is worth thinking about for sustainability.

I remember it. The MAC and the other non-BCS D1 conferences should play in the spring, where it can have a wider audience. But I thought that's what Tuesdays are for...

Depends on the site. If it's near the Info on the ballfield site, there should be plenty of depth available, reference the Info's depth.

That makes sense in theory, but first, how are you going to get invited to a bigger conference with a football team in shambles, a basketball team with no "big wins", and a market infatuated with OSU. And second, record numbers of fans pour into Canal Park to watch the local ball team play Binghamton, New Brittain, and Altoona. Not exactly New York, Chicago, and Boston...

We just spent a month talking about how this program hasn't won anything yet.

OK, benefit of the doubt. Still, our season is wrecked. Not to mention the University's reputation. If he is innocent, and I hope he is, we will find out with one short sentence on the last page of the Beacon Journal sport section on a Wednesday.

SO, let's take the "innocent until proven guilty" route. How long until he is acquitted? Long after the season is over? Either way, we're screwed.

Making the building suitable for more sports would multiply the number of suites you can sell. Nobody will ever convince me a basketball arena that can house hockey is a bad idea, or that it would in any way effect the college basketball experience in any way. I have seen the college hockey experience in a recreational rink with horrible spectator seating for three years. It would work.

Aren't the suites sold out at the Dialer?

The city doesn't have the money to help, and I don't want them involved anyhow. I do agree with the hockey-sized floor, stating up front that it does NOT have to compromise basketball seating (as I showed in the old thread). Anybody who was at the Zips game Saturday night understands there clearly is a need for a better facility. Anyone who wasn't needs not reply. Unless they outprice themselves like they did the Dialer, the U can lease out the arena for high school and minor league sports, concerts, shows. And not have to share the profit...

I know there are no franchises established for the league yet, but you have one group affiliated with the league already hiring staff and purchasing a stadium. Put two and two together, and you shouldn't be all that surprised that when the franchises are named, this group IS that team in Ohio. Still having trouble connecting the dots??? ANd does that fact mean I can't rip apart the league's business plan?

There's another aspect of minor league sports that I have yet to see a minor league football league implement. Regionalism. If you look at minor league baseball, the leagues are all regional in nature. Look at the Aeros' AA level, you have the Eastern League, the Southern League, and the Texas League. You can stay within your minor league budget, with bus trips, in football no overnight stays. You can have the regional champions play in a championship. But you don't have them playing each other during the season. The USFL has named two cities, Akron and Portland, which are 2,000 miles apart. It does seem to be working for the D-League, but they're directly funded by the NBA. And you're really putting yourself behind the 8 ball (as a start-up especially) when you're moving 3x as many players around.

Let's just hope we don't draw Buffalo at the Q...

That's how I took it. But with your considering the source, I agree with you. My apologies.

"True" fans shouldn't get disappointed over an absolute joke of a (former) coach/program? Get over yourself.

+1

I think it CAN be done, but I doubt this plan is how it will happen. They're folowing the MLS model, which has been a success. They want to build stadiums, which the MLS did, except the MLS was already established in those markets. It was five years before they built their first purpose-built venue, Columbus Crew Stadium. They're also following the MLS' player system where everyone plays for the league, and are distributed to teams via draft. That worked, but the USFL wants to pay players $3000-3500 per game??? That's a lot more than arena players are paid, and there are a lot fewer of them on a team. For 35 players that's $122,500 per game. Half the games are on the road, so you have no income, and you have travel expenses for 40-50 people. Don't forget, the Arena Football LEague collapsed under it's player salaries, and had to be completely restructured. Minor league football would work. But you have to live within your means. You have to be realistic what you're going to bring in. You can't count on sponsors and investors and TV money (many sports pay for their TV exposure). From everything I have read, these guys aren't.

What do you mean there is no team? They already own a stadium and a franchise with the league. The league is a year away from starting. I don't know how far along you think they should be.

I like that in that it has floor space for other uses, and you could probably seat around 10,000 for end-stage events. The upper tier can be closed off for smaller crowds. You can use this building a lot of dates. This school has roughly 19,000 enrollment, in a much smaller market, and has had standing room only at games.

Let's get out and support the Zips hockey team in the conference tournament. These guys have come a long way, and put on a great game. I know where I'll be Friday night. I might even go early and check out UPitt and IUP.

If you look at what downtown Akron looked like after the industry left and before CP was built, it would make sense. There was once at least two porno theaters downtown, two other glamorous hotels in that area were converted to low income housing (Hotel Howe and Hotel Anthony Wayne). The rest was empty storefronts and businesses that catered to the low income. You wouldn't recognize the place. I picture a suitable arena built on campus and butting the rest of the city, and rejuvenating East Exchange in the same way Canal Park did downtown.

Absolutely, this is the PERFECT time to get it started. I can't think of any better time to show that we need more capacity, and a modern facility than right now. Those against the new arena, are you proud of the nation having it's only impression of the U by what they see inside the JAR?