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In baseball, everyone is "eligible" to play in the World Series. And small market teams do make it, San Francisco and St Louis have won the last three, the last one over Detroit.

So the Aeros are quitters because they play in AA...

Do you really want to see the Shurmur gameplan in Arenaball??? "Well, you know a field goal is almost as good as a touchdown. If you have a couple of them."

Right now. Everyone else gave up trying to talk to you wanna-be elitists.

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Do you really not know the difference between D1-AA and D@, or are you just acting ignorant?

I did say "TV", and a lot of internet suppliers don't carry ESPN3. I had to switch to get it. What do you want to pick apart next?

Anyone else notice the local D3 schools get more TV games than the Zips? Part of the reason is Mount U always plays deep into the championship (hint hint), but even during the regular season I see BW and JC and other schools on the tube more often than the Zips.

I went to Chippewa High School in Doylestown. We were/are Division IV and that's where we belong. And yes it is very exciting playing against other Division IV schools. We have no business pretending to be Massillon or Moeller. And if you asked Mogadore, neither would they.

Interesting question, the best direct comparison is the Sagarin Ratings http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc12.htm Someone mentioned the MVC (infatuated with North and South Dakota I guess), in the ratings it is a mirror image of the MAC. Which proves the whole MAC belongs in D1A. Look at another conference with regional matchups the Northeast (Duquesne, Robert Morris) Akron would be a top three program. Fact is several MAC schools should drop (according to NCAA attendance standards if not performance) and a new conference could be formed with these programs that are currently playing conference games hundreds or thousands of miles away. Don't tell me fans would rather watch Central Michigan than Youngstown State, Dayton, and Duquesne. The hockey team draws just as well when Duq and Robert Morris and IUP visit as they do for Cincinnati and Ohio and Toledo. You just gotta win. When Bowden stops making rookie mistakes (eating his own clock, calling TO when the other team can't call an audible) I'll get excited about the current staff. I don't know if there could ever be enough marketing to make me excited about the NIT-level bowl games we aspire to someday qualify for.

Well there's certainly no way to follow that up...

it happens...

He was asking why nobody was talking about seven MAC teams getting into bowl games. Try to keep up.

The correlation is, even though the Aeros aren't in MLB, the Gladiators aren't in the NFL, and the Invaders/Force/Crunch/Caps/City Stars were not in the Barklay's Premier League, they still drew well and broke attendance records. In the Force/Gladiators case they drew >18,000. The point is, this region will support a winning team. It doesn't have to be the top level of the sport, it just has to WIN.

Apparently nobody wants to talk about that. Why aren't you?

Akron Aeros Canton Invaders Cleveland Force Cleveland Caps Cleveland City Stars Cleveland Gladiators All set attendance records. Not everybody in NEOhio is infatuated with pretending to be top level.

The Morgan State game outdrew three of the MAC games. As did Massillon High School. I get it, status means everything to a lot of people. I just know first hand how this area will support a winner. No matter what level it is. From everything I've seen winning>status. And still no response about several teams that are no legally in the BCS because of their attendance. But nothing is going to change anyhow, just trying to have a discussion, which is why we're here.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I can watch and what I have to think? Get over yourself. Playing in your league isn't quitting. Failing to build a program that competes at the level it's in IS quitting. We've been in FBS for 25 years, it's time to compete, or go somewhere we can compete with what we are given. You guys want to be Ohio State, while the sincerity of the university to compete in football is closer to Stark State. I couldn't care less what the goals are of the university that don't deal with football when we are talking about football. Just as I couldn't care less what the volleyball program's goals are when we're talking about academic programs. I guarantee a 10-2 FCS school would put more asses in the Info, generate more positive news, and give the university a much better image than the mess we've had... If you're not going to be serious about FBS football, just don't.

1) What the hell difference does that make? 2) What would their record be in the SWAC? Pioneer? Ivy League? Since you're dealing with hypotheticals. Think they could run the table in the Pioneer? What if the NCAA actually enforced their FBS minimum standards on attendance and dropped 5 or 6 MAC teams to FCS. Add in Dayton, YSU, Indiana State. Duquesne. I doubt anyone would miss the Ohio's and the Northern Iowa's. But hey if you're satisfied with 1-11, and working and praying for a berth in the Little Seizures Bowl, knock yourself out. Chances are you have nothing to worry about. Nothing says "major bowl game" like getting toasted by Western Kentucky in front of 25,000 souls. Pre-inflation.

We didn't build it to average less than 10,000 for one win teams either. About a mile down Exchange St., Canal Park was built for a team playing in their own league, and set minor league attendance records. Cleveland set MISL/NPSL and AFL attendance records. YOU JUST GOTTA WIN. Not everyone is wrapped up in playing against FBS fodder and getting an ass kicking by a top program every year.

The pipe dream is big time college football fans thinking the 10-15 big time college football programs are ever going to let ANYONE ELSE in their club. Ask Boise State and Texas Christian. If you're not a legacy program, you're fucked. It doesn't matter how good you become. You guys heard the bitching and crying over NIU going to the Orange Bowl, it made me sick. The fricken Orange Bowl, that couldn't sell out if they were paying people to go. So playing UMess, Buffalo, EMU, and CMU is soooooooooooo much more glamorous than playing AA schools. You guys have delusions of grandeur.

You don't think those same people would be equally as excited for an FCS National Championship game? Let's ask Mount Union (D3) fans about that. I watched fans in this area react to NPSL championships in Canton and Cleveland, to the Gladiators runs in the AFL. We're not talking Premier League and NFL, they/we didn't give a shit. We had a great time, and the loudest most energtic crowds I have seen in NE Ohio. You would rather play for a spot in the GoDaddy.com bowl in Mobile, AL? I was raised on college football and the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Gator Bowl, Fiesta Bowl. Romantic, historic, the best of the best. But everything else is junk, the NIT of college football. And about the whole cash grab, how much money do you think NIU will even make at the Orange Bowl? Last I heard they were going to eat shit on all the tickets they had to buy and couldn't resell. And the MAC was going to assist them with a higher payout. I'd much rather be contenders than pretenders, which is what we will be with the current budget and legacy against the 10-20 schools eligible for a D1-A title and Heisman Trophy.

Agree 100%.

"Ohio is building a $15 million indoor practice facility. Soon every MAC school will have one. " Um, we have had one for awhile. No love for Terry? Yeah, wait til he gets his own players in there.

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