Captain Kangaroo Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Here is an overview of the Ryan Bain situation, as best I can gather. I hope you can appreciate that I made phone calls and tried to assemble the most accurate answers possible. Q: "What is the illegal substance that the NCAA flagged Ryan Bain on?" A: Despite what some seem to want…there is no conspiracy theory here. The NCAA recently updated its "banned substances" list. It added a supplement readily available a GNC, and one which Ryan Bain had been using. Unfortunately it appears the NCAA doesn't do a great job of informing players about such updates. Ryan tested positive for it and was suspended.Q: "Seems like a raw deal? Couldn't he appeal the decision?" A: With the backing of the University (they didn't leave him hung out to dry) Ryan did appeal. As with appeals of most NCAA decisions, it was denied. His only chance to successfully appeal was if a trainer or coach had recommended the supplement. And that wasn't the case.Q: "Is Ryan Bain leaving the program?" A: No. He'll be playing for the Zips next season. But the kid is pretty devastated. It will be easy for people to lump this issue in with the problems in recruiting a few classes ago. But that's unfair. From everything I can gather…and I have talked to several different people in and around the University…Ryan Bain is a solid kid who caught a really bad break. People can believe what they want, but that's about all there is to it. Right now it sucks to be Ryan Bain.Q: "What's the deal with his 'injury'? Was that just a smoke screen?" A: There's a really good chance Ryan Bain would not play this season regardless of the NCAA's decision. He has a foot stress fracture in a bad location. It is healing well, but there is still a lot of pain. If the pain persists, surgery is likely.Q: "Why'd it take so long for this story to appear on ZipsNation, or anywhere else?" A: Several reasons. On the ZipsNation side the concern was strictly accuracy, and getting the story straight. If I had posted the rumors I heard a few weeks ago, I would have been wholly inaccurate. The UA Athletic Department would have killed me, and justifiably so. Unlike a lot of you on this board, I'm not a "faceless" guy. I know all the coaches, Mack and Hunter, and they know me. They all seem to trust me, and I'd like to think that trust is earned. If I go posting every rumor I hear…especially ones that put the University or it's employees in a bad light…then the ZipsNation doesn't get the inside scoops on recruiting, scheduling, etc that are most imortant to the vast majority of you. ZipsNation does not want to be a K.e.n.t.-esque whiney rumor mill. That's lame.If you look at my posts, I'm as critical as anyone on just about all issues. And I get my share of cold shoulders from administrators and ear-fulls from players parents because of it. But it's all good, I guess. In the end people still check out the board and help us out.Bain was a Top 50 player in the nation a few years ago. In his time he's been here he's practiced hard...and for 3 years at UA it appears all he's going to get out of it is 12 or 13 games of football. And his degree. I'm sure that wasn't what he planned.It is the popular thing to do to pile on the guy when he's down, and not give him the benefit of the doubt. Unless I hear otherwise, I'm going with what I have been told by several independent sources. He got screwed by a recently enacted rule. It sucks to be Ryan Bain. I hope he can get past it, heal, practice this spring and be the bad ass nose tackle we all hoped he would be in 2009. If Tom Gaffney finds out more, good for him. I'm open to any new information. Remember - I'm an Engineer. This is my hobby. A passion for sure, but my access is only what I can shoe-horn in. I hope you understand that.Beat BG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thank you, CK, for going through the trouble of finding out what you could about this.It really sucks all the way around. I knew Ryan was still actually injured just two weeks ago, but I thought it was minor and that he would return before the season ended. I feel sorry for the guy. Nothing is going his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks for the detailed info. Glad to hear that what was being used wasn't something that was illegal and that he really does have an injured foot. Is this a done deal for this year? If so, will UA have an official statement to set things straight??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipseuph Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 it sucks that Bain can't pursue his passion for more than 12-14 games next year but I'm not gonna feel too bad for a guy who gets a free college education. heres to him making the best of his situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks CK! The ABJ should have been on the stress fracture story before the opener @ Wisky and they should have been on this story last week. Unlike yourself, they are absolutely passionless about Akron coverage.Here is an Associated Press clipping from today's ABJ concerning Ryan's situation.http://www.ohio.com/sports/30832714.htmlToo bad it took an Associated Press release for our local paper to take note of this important local situation.Additionally, there is not more than a single sentence in today's ABJ Sports section regarding tonight's implication-filled Bowling Green game. The ABJ Sports ran front page stories on the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Cleveland Browns, and, of course, the Columbus State Buckeyes, but Akron? No, the ABJ screwed us again. Dirty rotten scoundrels. I wonder is their intentional goal is to make us feel unimportant? Way to go ABJ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Anyway, sorry about the rabbit trail ranting. Back to Ryan Bain...Hang in there Ryan! We were all looking forward to watching you wreck havoc on the gridiron this year, but we'll wait to see you next year! Keep your head up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Maybe one of the players or someone within the athletic dept. should be assigned to check the NCAA site regularly for rules changes. Too bad the NCAA is too lame to send one email to each school to inform them of any updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Anyway, sorry about the rabbit trail ranting. Back to Ryan Bain...Hang in there Ryan! We were all looking forward to watching you wreck havoc on the gridiron this year, but we'll wait to see you next year! Keep your head up!He will have missed 2 straight years. I wonder how effective he will be next year.Hopefully he will be available for spring ball to get some practice in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 It is the popular thing to do to pile on the guy when he's down, and not give him the benefit of the doubt.I believe I only posted one critical comment, and it was about the situation, not the player.... IE: the mysterious cloak of secrecy over someone who the team was surprisingly not-so-silent about last summer, and suddenly hushed-mouthed and even seemingly deceptive and shifty about as training camp progressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Anyway, sorry about the rabbit trail ranting. Back to Ryan Bain...Hang in there Ryan! We were all looking forward to watching you wreck havoc on the gridiron this year, but we'll wait to see you next year! Keep your head up!He will have missed 2 straight years. I wonder how effective he will be next year.Hopefully he will be available for spring ball to get some practice in.IMO, the ONLY way he isn't effective next year is if the foot injury (os a new injury) never completely comes around. This is a real shame for Ryan and I hope he is able to focus on the things he needs to focus on until he is eligible once again. I do see a possible silver lining however. With the Zips forced to play a number of true FR and RS FR this year along the defensive front, I can see us being even stronger here next year as a result (assuming Bain plays in 2009). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 On the bright side, however, if you are going to be penalized by the NCAA for something like this, in a way it's lucky it happened in a year when you are also nursing an injury and might not have been able to play anyway. Hopefully, this motivates the young man and obviously he'll be smarter next year so all is not lost. The statement he made seems to indicate that. Be cool to see him on the field on September 19th next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 I'm kinda curious what this substance is anyway.Usually anything you can buy at GNC is gimmicky crap marketed to young and naive weightlifters, dieters and athletes who will try anything to get an edge.... but they are rarely banned because the don't really give you an unnatural edge at all.Last time I remember something available OTC getting banned was that andro stuff that McGwire took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks Cap'n. That's exactly what we were collectively looking for, the context and content of the situation. I will ask no more Bain questions until it's time for Spring ball.I'll also point out that in the larger scheme of things, for Ryan to receive a solid education and Bachelor's Degree, and to play some high quality football for this program in its inaugural season at InfoSumma, aren't exactly chicken feed. Here's hoping we see the big man crush some opposing linemen with pancake blocks next year as the Zips rise into the top 25.BEAT BGSU. GO ZIPPERS.SeeTeeZip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Best update ever. Solid work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks for the update Cap'n, your "insider's take" on any issue is always highly valued... but why couldn't the athletic department have been as forthright about this as you were above, say, two months ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks for the update Cap'n, your "insider's take" on any issue is always highly valued... but why couldn't the athletic department have been as forthright about this as you were above, say, two months ago?I'm guessing if his appeal had gone well, there would have been no use in making it public. Since the appeal was denied and he was officially out for the season, it was time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyrifle32 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 NCAA banned drug list 2008-09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 IM FURIOUS. If this is entirely true (and it's no surprise to me) then this is horribly unfair to this young man. As if the NCAA doesn't screw up enough things as it was, they go and screw us and Ryan here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 NCAA banned drug list 2008-09Interesting some of the things on that list that are OTC.DHEA for example is listed under anabolic steroids. However, if anything, DHEA is a pre-hormone. It gets aramotised and/or broken down into several other hormones, some mundane, some not, but if you loaded up on DHEA, you'd have lots of problems, from the various resulting hormone levels, including bitch-tits from elevated estrogen. I don't think anyone abuses that, because it doesn't work only as an anabolic hormone precursor, and if I'm not mistaken, it's actually two steps away from testosterone, but only one away from estrogen, so why is it under anabolic steroids. But hey, it is a pre-hormone (like andro, but not nearly as specific).The stimulants are what a lot of baseball players were hooked on several years ago. Some of them are OTC like the diet pills and even cold meds, although a lot of those are no longer OTC because of abuse by the general public over the last few years.I could see how an innocent mistake could be made. But honestly, if I was playing ball, I'd check first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 A: Despite what some seem to want…there is no conspiracy theory here. The NCAA recently updated its "banned substances" list. It added a supplement readily available a GNC, and one which Ryan Bain had been using. Unfortunately it appears the NCAA doesn't do a great job of informing players about such updates. Ryan tested positive for it and was suspended.The following questions need answered. 1. When the substance bas banned, who was notified at UofA? How did the communication take place and who was informed?2. How are the changes in banned substances communicated to the players?3. Was there enough time between the communication and the test for the substance to leave the body?The job of the NCAA is not to communicate to the players because there are too many to communicate to. The job of the NCAA is to communicate changes to the member institutions. The members then need to communicate those changes to the student/athletes.If the school doesn't have a leg to stand on, it if mostly possible that the information want communicated to them and they did not pass it along. Or, Bain was not paying close enough attention to his communications. Either way, the kid has a broken foot and wouldn't play anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 In my mind, a student needs to take the responsibility to find out what substances are banned. Ask some questions to find out the information. We cannot blame the NCAA for not informing the students as it is obvious the information was readily available. For comparison, we as citizens are not force fed the laws, though the basic ones are taught and known by everyone. If someone gets pulled over for say, having their front license plate in the front window and not on the bumper front bumper, is it the persons fault they were in violation of the law, or the Gov't for not specifically sitting them down and explaining this detail? It is the citizens' fault. NOW, maybe what this issue will do is change how UofA communicates the substance abuse policy to the students. Did anyone notice the substances specifically banned for Rifle??? alcohol pindololatenolol propranololmetoprolol timololnadolol and related compounds The Rifle coaching staff was very aware of this and made a point to tell us that we need to be aware of what type of medicines we were taking as apparently some of these could be contained in OTC medicines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Did anyone notice the substances specifically banned for Rifle??? alcohol pindololatenolol propranololmetoprolol timololnadolol and related compounds The Rifle coaching staff was very aware of this and made a point to tell us that we need to be aware of what type of medicines we were taking as apparently some of these could be contained in OTC medicines.so you kept away from those products that contained alcohol? Mouthwashes i mean of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.