Brady Hoke Out at BSU

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

And what was he? Something like third choice at a previously major program that has become utterly mediocre in recent years? I think that since he had made the choice to take the SDSU job and move to the west coast, Brady Hoke would have been better served to stay west, continue to build the Aztecs' program, and look for a HC job at a MWC or PAC-10 school. The Big 10 is utterly yesteryear. The PAC-10 and MWC are today and tomorrow.

In any event, all I hope for anymore is for the Zips and the MAC to do something, anything, to become even slightly interesting again.

[GP1]

And what was he? Something like third choice at a previously major program that has become utterly mediocre in recent years? I think that since he had made the choice to take the SDSU job and move to the west coast, Brady Hoke would have been better served to stay west, continue to build the Aztecs' program, and look for a HC job at a MWC or PAC-10 school. The Big 10 is utterly yesteryear. The PAC-10 and MWC are today and tomorrow.

In any event, all I hope for anymore is for the Zips and the MAC to do something, anything, to become even slightly interesting again.

There's an old saying. "You make hay when the sun is up." This guy may never get this chance again and he is going to cash in. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but the sun is up for this guy.

[Dave in Green]

I'm assuming that everyone posting here understands that UM is Brady Hoke's dream job. If he had been given a choice of USC, Florida, Alabama, any other school, he would have picked UM. He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

[GP1]

He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

I really don't care for bitters in my drinks....

[Dave in Green]

He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

I really don't care for bitters in my drinks....

Hear, hear! Less bitters and more bourbon.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

I'm assuming that everyone posting here understands that UM is Brady Hoke's dream job. If he had been given a choice of USC, Florida, Alabama, any other school, he would have picked UM. He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

Botzum was once a thriving canal town, if I remember the Towpath Canal plaque description correctly. Nobody lives in Botzum anymore. Being old fashioned doesn't always serve well.

[Zipmeister]

I'm assuming that everyone posting here understands that UM is Brady Hoke's dream job. If he had been given a choice of USC, Florida, Alabama, any other school, he would have picked UM. He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

Botzum was once a thriving canal town, if I remember the Towpath Canal plaque description correctly. Nobody lives in Botzum anymore. Being old fashioned doesn't always serve well.

If by old fashioned you mean that he resembles Oliver Hardy, I have to agree. Now if he can hire an assistant who looks like Stan Laurel, the Michiganders will really have something going for them.

[you am i]

I'm assuming that everyone posting here understands that UM is Brady Hoke's dream job. If he had been given a choice of USC, Florida, Alabama, any other school, he would have picked UM. He's an old-fashioned type of guy, and old-fashioned ain't all bad.

Botzum was once a thriving canal town, if I remember the Towpath Canal plaque description correctly. Nobody lives in Botzum anymore. Being old fashioned doesn't always serve well.

If by old fashioned you mean that he resembles Oliver Hardy, I have to agree. Now if he can hire an assistant who looks like Stan Laurel, the Michiganders will really have something going for them.

There are a few "Brady Hoke Lookalike" websites. My favorite Brady lookalikes are the pictures of Fred Flintstone and Susan Boyle.

[Zippysgotagun]

Clearly at the very least there are more chances for exposure in the MWC. If Hoke is really as good as advertised, he will be able to turn around a bad program. If he can win at SDSU, the big boys will definitely notice.

I feel smart now. Thanks for digging this thread up so I can feel good about myself, BirdZip!

[johnnyzip84]

....and off goes some nobody named Hoke, to coach a team that nobody cares about, at a university that nobody living there (even right in San Diego) cares about, never to be heard from again. He'll make a little more money at SDSU, most of which will be eaten up in a place where a nice home in a nice neighborhood can't be had for less than 800k-1m. He'll earn much less national exposure than he had this year at Testicle Tech, and will be mired in mediocrity for several years, after which he will be forced out and have to take a job at a tiny school to rehabilitate his career.

Check in on some of the Aztec boards, check in on what fans are saying at espn.com. SDSU cannot recruit to save its life. They don't draw worth a damn. San Diego is not a place that generates interest in, well much of anything for locals, beyond partying and going to the beach, maybe running and other individual sports. San Diego is the universal home of ME. What is some crappy college football team going to do for ME? Apathy reigns in San Diego. If you've ever lived there or near there, you know what I'm talking about. If not, you just don't get it. It's the kind of place where any of us (rabid fans of some hard-luck program) would be considered flat-out losers. It's a cultural thing. It's a different world in SoCal, and San Diego is the center of the universe for those who will run 10 ultramarathons a year, but wouldn't be caught dead paying to watch college football, unless it's USC or UCLA. For those of you talking about Marshall Faulk, he was not the next anything when he went to SDSU. Every program gets lucky, and Faulk was a particularly lucky pick up for SDSU.

Hoke was clearly not treated with respect at Sad Sack State, which I find satisfying because I didn't like that team, loved it when they lost to UB. He jumped too early. He should have sucked it up for another year or two when a better program would have come calling, waited at least for a Utah, a Boise, a program that would stand a good chance of success going forward. There is zero reason to assume he'll succeed at SDSU. Think about it. Why would there be ANY assumption that he will magically be able to recruit the blue chippers from SoCal when NONE of the previous coaches who have coached there were able to do so? Is he some sort of long-lost and loved SDSU guy? Nope. Is he familiar with SoCal in a way that others aren't? Nope. To us he is another example of a guy who proved in MAC football that he can get the job done. If you're a blue-chip HS recruit in SoCal, or anywhere out west for that matter, who the eff is Brady Hoke to you? Nobody, that's what. Say again Brady Hoke, what can you do for ME?

Time to bump this bad boy once again. So rabies is the cause for all of this FCS talk

[LZIp]

Time to bump this bad boy once again. So rabies is the cause for all of this FCS talk

Thanks for the bump. Intriguing to see STZ has been spouting the same thing for 4 years.

[Buckzip]

Actually Brady Hoke is the stunt double for Chris Cristie. Actually I have never seen them together. Hmmmm

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Time to bump this bad boy once again. So rabies is the cause for all of this FCS talk

Seriously? Jesus H Christ, anyone can dig up something from 4 years ago. I could so the same but I don't. What's relevant is what's happening now, not lampooning someone with the benefit of hindsight. Really now...

That was before Ianello, before three one-win seasons, before the UA stadium was soiled by a dirty, scamming company which has embarrassed the university with its name on the stadium, before it became clear that this program, or progrum, cannot recruit solid D-1 players no matter who the coach is and no matter the facilities.

That's when I still held hope that Akron football and the MAC might become interesting and/or relevant. The new stadium was being built and it looked like Akron football was on its way to something better. If only that money could have been invested into soccer and basketball!

Of course Hoke made the right move to get out of the MAC. Get good enough to get the hell out of football purgatory (the MAC) or drop down to your natural level.

But hey, Toledo just played in the Idaho Potato Bowl and Ball State is prepping to play in the Beef O'Brady Bowl. Awesome. If Akron really, really achieves maybe they'll make the Super Duper Nobody Cares Bowl next year. Actually, come to think of it, that old post reinforces my point. Hoke had a decent year at Ball State and got the hell out of the MAC as quickly as he possibly could. It was a great move even though I hated to think of it in that way when it happened. I've seen the light.

[LZIp]

Seriously? Jesus H Christ, anyone can dig up something from 4 years ago. I could so the same but I don't. What's relevant is what's happening now, not lampooning someone with the benefit of hindsight. Really now...

That was before Ianello, before three one-win seasons, before the UA stadium was soiled by a dirty, scamming company which has embarrassed the university with its name on the stadium, before it became clear that this program, or progrum, cannot recruit solid D-1 players no matter who the coach is and no matter the facilities.

That's when I still held hope that Akron football and the MAC might become interesting and/or relevant. The new stadium was being built and it looked like Akron football was on its way to something better. If only that money could have been invested into soccer and basketball!

Of course Hoke made the right move to get out of the MAC. Get good enough to get the hell out of football purgatory (the MAC) or drop down to your natural level.

But hey, Toledo just played in the Idaho Potato Bowl and Ball State is prepping to play in the Beef O'Brady Bowl. Awesome. If Akron really, really achieves maybe they'll make the Super Duper Nobody Cares Bowl next year. Actually, come to think of it, that old post reinforces my point. Hoke had a decent year at Ball State and got the hell out of the MAC as quickly as he possibly could. It was a great move even though I hated to think of it in that way when it happened. I've seen the light.

If Akron made a bowl game, would anybody outside of Akron fans really care? If Akron made the FCS playoffs, would anybody outside of Akron care?

[Dr Z]

If Akron made a bowl game, would anybody outside of Akron fans really care?

How many showed up to watch the game? Where they all from Akron? You can also probably go back and look at the viewing audience for 2005 Motor City Bowl...or you can look at the viewing audience for current MAC bowl games. I think you would be surprised how many people watch a football bowl game when nothing else is on. Short answer, yes.

[GP1]

How many showed up to watch the game? Where they all from Akron? You can also probably go back and look at the viewing audience for 2005 Motor City Bowl...or you can look at the viewing audience for current MAC bowl games. I think you would be surprised how many people watch a football bowl game when nothing else is on. Short answer, yes.

Agree completely. There is absolutely nothing on TV between Christmas and New Years. There are many people who love going to games and watching a game even if it is somewhat meaningless. Bowls provide entertainment in a period where there is scarce entertainment. In our lives, there will be no more bowl games and the holiday season will be made worse because of it. Holiday TV entertainment will go from watching football to watching Skip Baylesslike people talk about football....no thanks.

[Captain Kangaroo]

People that grip about 30-whatever bowl games simply don't like football. I don't begrudge people who love the Oxygen and Lifetime cable channels.

I'll watch some of Ball State tonight. I think it'll be a fun game to watch. Better than "A very special episode starring Merideth Baxter Burney..." Or Guy Fieri on his 13,974th episode of Diners Drive-in and Dives."

[g-mann17]

People that grip about 30-whatever bowl games simply don't like football. I don't begrudge people who love the Oxygen and Lifetime cable channels.

I'll watch some of Ball State tonight. I think it'll be a fun game to watch. Better than "A very special episode starring Merideth Baxter Burney..." Or Guy Fieri on his 13,974th episode of Diners Drive-in and Dives."

Ah man, I just started watching this, I'm so far behind...

[johnnyzip84]

Seriously? Jesus H Christ, anyone can dig up something from 4 years ago. I could so the same but I don't. What's relevant is what's happening now, not lampooning someone with the benefit of hindsight. Really now...

That was before Ianello, before three one-win seasons, before the UA stadium was soiled by a dirty, scamming company which has embarrassed the university with its name on the stadium, before it became clear that this program, or progrum, cannot recruit solid D-1 players no matter who the coach is and no matter the facilities.

That's when I still held hope that Akron football and the MAC might become interesting and/or relevant. The new stadium was being built and it looked like Akron football was on its way to something better. If only that money could have been invested into soccer and basketball!

Of course Hoke made the right move to get out of the MAC. Get good enough to get the hell out of football purgatory (the MAC) or drop down to your natural level.

But hey, Toledo just played in the Idaho Potato Bowl and Ball State is prepping to play in the Beef O'Brady Bowl. Awesome. If Akron really, really achieves maybe they'll make the Super Duper Nobody Cares Bowl next year. Actually, come to think of it, that old post reinforces my point. Hoke had a decent year at Ball State and got the hell out of the MAC as quickly as he possibly could. It was a great move even though I hated to think of it in that way when it happened. I've seen the light.

Dude, I hope you have more enoyable plans for your 2013 Holiday Vacation than trolling on the message board of a sad-sack football program

Let's talk scenarios and probabilities. If UA were to drop to FCS, the following are the likely scenarios.

Entire MAC to FCS

Pros - keep biggest rivalry with K.E.N.T. , maintain other geographic rivalries, other sports aren't forced to find a new home

Cons - horrible timing coming off best MAC football season in history, probably less TV money

UA Drops to FCS and Joins MVC for Football

Pros - a slighty higher chance for success (win percentage), chance to play for a national championship

Cons - longer road trips, possible increase in travel expenses, Joe Akron knows less about SIU and NDSU than Ball St, MVC football ~ MAC football, need new home for other sports (GP1's A-10 suggestion is extremely unlikely in the current situation - talk to me when/if a new arena is built), probably less TV money

UA Drops to FCS and Joins CAA for Football

Pros - a higher chance for success (win percentage), chance to play for a national championship

Cons - longer road trips, possible increase in travel expenses, Joe Akron knows less about JMU and Delaware than Ball St, still need new home for other sports, probably less TV money

UA Drops to FCS and Goes Independent for Football

Pros - a considerably higher chance for success, chance to play for a national championship

Cons - scheduling will become difficult, might have to have more guarentees to get teams to travel to the Info, still need new home for other sports, probably less TV money

If you put a gun to my head and force FCS upon me, I'd probably opt for the last scenario. After all, we have a tremendous resource (VP) at our disposal for how to schedule pitifuly weak opponents early in the season, allowing your team to peak at the right time to make a playoff run. I just hope Joe Akron can tolerate watching Clarion and Edinboro every year. And is Mickey Monus out of jail yet?

Now let's consider the odds of winning the FCS championship versus playing in an FBS bowl game. In order to win the FCS championship, you must first get into the playoffs. Let's ask 'eguins how easy it's been for YSU to make the playoffs as members of the MVC. Typically, the MVC (or any other FCS conference) gets a maximum of 3 teams in the tournament. The MAC has 3 automatic bowl tie-ins (assuming enough eligible teams are available) and has played in more than 3 over the last few years. So Akron in the MVC has about as much chance of just getting into the FCS playoffs as playing in a bowl game as a member of the MAC. That might make the FCS indy option more appealing, but it might be hard to get that 1st invite (to the playoffs) without a network of coaches and AD's lobbying on your behalf.

The bottom line for me is I believe the current coaching staff will eventually succeed, whether UA is in the MAC, MVC, CAA or FCS-indy. This entire debate has been disproportionately colored by Ianello's epic 2 years of ineptitude. It's been 25 years at the FBS/1-A level, but it's only been a few years at the FBS/1-A level with legitimate FBS/1-A resources in place. How about waiting 3-4 years before throwing in the towel?

[Dr Z]

While I can see multiple posters are very passionate about this FCS subject, can someone start a new thread on it so the topic doesn't "hi-jack" multiple threads?